what do you think about zimmerman

[longslide10]

SGB and I have discussed this case at length and agree on almost every aspect of it. We have one minor disagreement. I have said that it was a mistake for Zimmerman to get out of his vehicle, and that regardless of my leaning towards the conclusion that he did indeed act in legal self-defense, none of it would've gotten that far had he stayed in his vehicle or called the cops and left, letting them deal with it. SGB disagrees that he made a mistake in that regard. We have each stated our positions, and gone on to have friendly conversation about the events of that night.

I think we all (armed or unarmed) have a duty to watch over our neighbors and neighborhoods to keep each other safe even if it means confronting someone that you do not recognize and looks suspicious. Within reason of course. We can't rely on police all the time because when seconds count they are just minutes away. Btw, isn't there something like community oriented policing aka COP?

 

[Robby3006]

TM was a juvy he looked like a juvy. I believe zimmerman already made up his mind when he applied for CCW that he was gonna shoot somebody. And for the ppl saying TM could beat zimmerman up in a fist fight come on already. Zimmerman is above 200 TM barly weights 150 soak and wet i no that dosent mean **** but how else are you siZing up the two. I think zimmerman went in there looking to get his ass kicked slam his head around a few times. After he ahot TM his adrenaline musta be sky high he prob bashed his own head in a panic to make it look like self defense. GUILTY and thats why hes in jail. And for al sharpton and the black panthers what u guys do is fine as long as u do it for every race and not just your own. End of discussion **** it down goos fight good night.

 

[SGB]

I think we all (armed or unarmed) have a duty to watch over our neighbors and neighborhoods to keep each other safe even if it means confronting someone that you do not recognize and looks suspicious. Within reason of course. We can't rely on police all the time because when seconds count they are just minutes away. Btw, isn't there something like community oriented policing aka COP?

Looking out for your neighbors has become the exception rather than the rule in today's urban area's. People go out of their way to avoid knowing their neighbors.
Toby, one of my neighbors brought us over a plate of grilled sausage & boneless pork chops in appreciation of looking out for his house when the glass guys set off his alarm.

Many here would criticize me for going to his residence (ARMED) and standing by until the SO arrived. Oh well, I don't live my life to please the timid.

 

[SGB]

TM was a juvy he looked like a juvy. I believe zimmerman already made up his mind when he applied for CCW that he was gonna shoot somebody. And for the ppl saying TM could beat zimmerman up in a fist fight come on already. Zimmerman is above 200 TM barly weights 150 soak and wet i no that dosent mean **** but how else are you siZing up the two. I think zimmerman went in there looking to get his ass kicked slam his head around a few times. After he ahot TM his adrenaline musta be sky high he prob bashed his own head in a panic to make it look like self defense. GUILTY and thats why hes in jail. And for al sharpton and the black panthers what u guys do is fine as long as u do it for every race and not just your own. End of discussion **** it down goos fight good night.

Have you ever been accused of not knowing what you're talking about?

 

[SGB]

The only thing needed to find Zimmerman guilty is that he pursued Martin. Even if Zimmerman saw Trayvon commit felony crime, according to FL laws your can not pursue someone to stop them from fleeing.

Oh really? Please post the statute of which you speak.

 

[SR40c]

Thats a million doller question. I see alota posts about george zimmerman but do you think he was right in what he did? I say no he wasnt right. You do not take ur gun out in a fist fight.

You weren't there so you don't know. It's beyond a fist fight when one person bashes another person's head on concrete. Your post is ignorant at best.

 

[Robby3006]

Most of you guya are playing to much of that game call of duty. There is no last stand in real life. You dont fet a re do. Use your judgement. He had no right shooting that kid. There were plenty of things he coulda done to avoid killing him. You can justify it all you want. He was a kid with candy in hia hand.

 

[BluesStringer]

TM was a juvy he looked like a juvy. I believe zimmerman already made up his mind when he applied for CCW that he was gonna shoot somebody. And for the ppl saying TM could beat zimmerman up in a fist fight come on already. Zimmerman is above 200 TM barly weights 150 soak and wet i no that dosent mean **** but how else are you siZing up the two. I think zimmerman went in there looking to get his ass kicked slam his head around a few times. After he ahot TM his adrenaline musta be sky high he prob bashed his own head in a panic to make it look like self defense. GUILTY and thats why hes in jail. And for al sharpton and the black panthers what u guys do is fine as long as u do it for every race and not just your own. End of discussion **** it down goos fight good night.

Sooo....ummm....do you get all your news from MSNBC, or does some of it come from your Rainbow/PUSH Newsletter?

 

[eagleeyes]

robby ''And for the ppl saying TM could beat zimmerman up in a fist fight come on already. Zimmerman is above 200 TM barly weights 150 soak and wet i no that dosent mean ****''
trust me i've seen skinny and smaller people beat the living crap out of much larger persons and i think trayvon was probably a much better fighter than zim i will trust my gut intuition on that if you don't mind

 

[Robby3006]

I got it were evrybody else got it you chode pumper

 

[BluesStringer]

I think we all (armed or unarmed) have a duty to watch over our neighbors and neighborhoods to keep each other safe even if it means confronting someone that you do not recognize and looks suspicious. Within reason of course. We can't rely on police all the time because when seconds count they are just minutes away. Btw, isn't there something like community oriented policing aka COP?

I think you took what I said about Zimmerman having made a mistake a bit too literally longslide. I definitely don't fault him for being involved with the Neighborhood Watch program. I don't fault him for accepting any civic duty. In fact, I admire that part of what little I know about him. The only reason I say that it was a mistake to get out of the vehicle is because as near as I can tell, no matter which one initiated the actual fight, that is the one act that led to the death of a young guy who, though nowhere near a model citizen by the less biased accounts we've seen, was still authorized to be there and apparently had no bad intentions that night. I tend to believe Martin was on his way back to his father's girlfriend's place to finish watching the Lakers game.

I have seen no evidence of Zimmerman having broken the law. I believe that his prosecution is purely political, and the way it came about pisses me off to no end. Still, when someone dies at the hands of another, there should always be a thorough, honest and unbiased "after-action" evaluation of what happened. I in no way support the prosecution of Zimmerman the way it all came down, but I can't ignore the probability that if he had stayed in his vehicle, it is likely nobody would've died that night. I think the overwhelming probability is that it was an innocent mistake, and it wasn't with malice of forethought, but it was a mistake nonetheless to my way of thinking.

And actually, I don't even think getting out of the vehicle is the worst mistake Zimmerman has made in all of this. The worst one was going against his lawyer's advice and demanding to get on the stand at the bail hearing and apologizing in open court to Martin's parents. It remains to be seen if, and how hard, that will come back to bite him, but as far as mistakes go, that was a doozie.

Anyway, it should be clear that I'm not a Zimmerman basher. I just call 'em like I see 'em, and on that one specific issue, I see a mistake.

I got it were evrybody else got it you chode pumper

Ahh, so it was MSNBC. OK, just wonderin'. So what's a "chode pumper?" LOL

Blues

 

[Shoobee]

And you my friend are a true left cost liberal, you can't argue facts so you attack the individual, however I won't hold that (or that you voted for Obama) against you. Unfortunately for you I'm no more ashamed of belonging to the NRA than I am to being a Conservative Middle aged Christian White Male. That must put a real knot in your democratic underground embroidered panties.

How about putting that all aside and you man up and refute the content of my posts or at least substantiate that dribble you posted.

TMI. I would rather not hear about what you are wearing SGB.

 

[SGB]

I got it were evrybody else got it you chode pumper

Does your mother know you're on her computer and her spell check is broke you 12yr old illiterate jackwagon.

 

[SGB]

If you wear panties SGB that is your own business. TMI. I would rather not hear about it.

Wow Shoobee....

..... so 9th grade.

 

[BluesStringer]

Does your mother know you're on her computer and her spell check is broke you 12yr old illiterate jackwagon.

Now it's my turn....


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[S&W645]

Now it's my turn....


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[NickFro]

@bluesstinger.
FL statues 776.041
If I'm reading it correctly, deadly force is not justifiable on someone escaping or if you provoked the initial confrontation

 

[Firefighterchen]

Thats a million doller question. I see alota posts about george zimmerman but do you think he was right in what he did? I say no he wasnt right. You do not take ur gun out in a fist fight.

" Sergeant Altarr Williams, supervisor of Miami police’s Homicide Unit, said a man doesn’t have to be armed to be dangerous.

“There are other ways to injure people,’’ Williams said. “Some people know martial arts, others are very strong and can kill you with their hands.’"

Just saying...This is from another case in Florida...I will not tolerate someone punching me or anyone else I care for. If a fight ever gets to the point of lethal force, like TM and GZ, I would not hesitate to use the same amount of force to stop the threat.

What we need are States Attorney's who do their jobs according to the letter of the law instead of imposing Political Prosecutions to further their own Political ambitions. Florida has many excellent laws, unfortunately we also have many less than ethical individuals in LE and the Courts.

She was doing her job.

Her job was to indict the dumm fool for shooting an unarmed kid, with the nation about to explode over it.

Wrong again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bCIhjGRHAw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Try and learn something...I don't have any hope for you though...

His first mistake, in his case, was patrolling alone. He was not cut out to do this kind of work alone.

Wrong, he wasn't patrolling.

His second mistake was patrolling around the dinner hour. Everyone is home around the dinner hour so very little crime ever takes place then. Criminals are not stupid.

Wrong, he wasn't patrolling.

His third mistake was patrolling in the rain. Criminals do not like to get wet, same as the rest of us. Whenever it rains the criminals are usually in a warm bar someplace drinking it up.

Wrong, he wasn't patrolling.

His fourth mistake was profiling T.M. just because of his clothing and race. This caused him to completely overlook the possibility that T.M. was indeed staying or residing in the neighborhood.

Do you have ANY proof he was profiling? When ASKED by police what race TM was, GZ thought (as in he wasn't sure, and didn't care) he was black. Do you realize GZ mentored a couple black children?

His fifth mistake he freely has already admitted, that he misjudged T.M.'s age and though T.M. was actually older, not realizing he was a juvenile instead.

At what age does someone become a risk? Wasn't there a story where a 13 year old light another child on fire? Oh..but that's ok, he wasn't old enough to be a threat....

His sixth mistake was getting out of his car, which served as a safe cocoon for him as it would for anyone else.

The is the only mistake I agree with.

His seventh mistake was pursuing T.M. This is a violation of T.M.s privacy and civil liberties.

Do you have ANY proof he was pursuing? The only evidence I have seen, is a 911 recording of the dispatcher asking, "Are you following him?", "Yes," "ok we don't need you to do that", "OK." Doesn't sound like he pursued him. What evidence do you have that says otherwise?

His eighth mistake was getting into a confrontation with T.M. without properly backing off and away. We don't know what started the fistfight, but I would be willing to bet T.M. would not have mixed it up with a polite person.

I am willing to bet TM would have mixed it up with a polite person...unless you think even his bus driver is rude to him (you know, the bus driver he punched in the face and was suspended over previously (even before he was suspended for drugs, but after he was suspended for theft...what a nice kid)).

His nineth mistake was shooting center mass. Of course that is what all the NRA classes teach novices, and Z was a novice for sure. Still it was a huge mistake.

Does the military and law enforcement also teach shooting COM? Yup...shooting to wound...*face palm* what a ridiculous statement. But..let me guess, "Blah blah NRA drone...blah blah..."but o wait, I am not an NRA member.

I am so glad you are not a judge.

Shoobee + Robby = SUPER TROLL! (AKA Angela Corey)

 

[bswartz15]

I think what all the progressives on this post are forgetting is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Also, he would need to be found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Can anyone here really say that Zimmerman was out to kill Martin? Zimmerman was blindsided by Martin proven by the lack of defensive wounds on him. Martin had scuffed up knuckles, a bullet wound, and weed in his system. Zimmerman had a busted head, broken nose and 2 black eyes. Zimmerman was right to report suspicious activity, but should have remained in his car for safety. Zimmerman may be guilty of being stupid, but everyone has the right to defend their life, family, liberty, and property.

 

[BluesStringer]

@bluesstinger.
FL statues 776.041
If I'm reading it correctly, deadly force is not justifiable on someone escaping or if you provoked the initial confrontation

Believe me, on the part about escaping, you definitely aren't reading it right.

On the part about initial provocation, you definitely aren't reading all of it. There are provisions made for an initial aggressor to morph into the victim. Not that anyone in the general public knows for sure whether those provisions apply to Zimmerman yet, but it's not nearly as cut-and-dried as you make it out to be. Read the whole section and apply some intellectual honesty about the injuries Zimmerman had, and see if they don't apply in this case. Or see if they *could* reasonably apply here. If they can reasonably apply, Zimmerman walks if the jury follows the law. Here's where you can prove that you understand the very, most basic underpinning of criminal law. Think: Benefit of the..........?

You need to read more than just 776.041. What precedes it is the main code. What you cited are clarifications of who that main code does not apply to. You need to understand who the person is that is "escaping" in that code you cited. I can tell you without a doubt, it isn't the party you're thinking it is.

I commend you for finding the right code section. That shows that you're trying. Now try a little bit harder to put the whole code section into the context of the known facts of this case, sans whatever emotions or ideological preconceptions you may be operating under, and analyze it without all the lies and half-truths the media has fed you. Then come to a sound legal conclusion that is backed up by what you learned from the code. State it in those terms, according to the code, and even if we disagree, I seriously doubt anyone will give you a hard time about it as long as your application of the law is put forth in an honest and good-faith manner. But just throwing legal conclusions out there with no citations or proper sourcing isn't going to fly with most of this crowd. We're fairly well-versed in the legalities of using of a gun for self-defense.

Blues