what do you think about zimmerman
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Shoobee
Banned
I have been doing neighborhood watch for several decades now. In that time I have learned what works and what does not work.
I have done it armed, and unarmed, CCW, and OC, middle of the afternoon, and late at night.
In my experience Z made a lot of mistakes.
His first mistake, in his case, was patrolling alone. He was not cut out to do this kind of work alone.
His second mistake was patrolling around the dinner hour. Everyone is home around the dinner hour so very little crime ever takes place then. Criminals are not stupid.
His third mistake was patrolling in the rain. Criminals do not like to get wet, same as the rest of us. Whenever it rains the criminals are usually in a warm bar someplace drinking it up.
His fourth mistake was profiling T.M. just because of his clothing and race. This caused him to completely overlook the possibility that T.M. was indeed staying or residing in the neighborhood.
His fifth mistake he freely has already admitted, that he misjudged T.M.'s age and though T.M. was actually older, not realizing he was a juvenile instead.
His sixth mistake was getting out of his car, which served as a safe cocoon for him as it would for anyone else.
His seventh mistake was pursuing T.M. This is a violation of T.M.s privacy and civil liberties.
His eighth mistake was getting into a confrontation with T.M. without properly backing off and away. We don't know what started the fistfight, but I would be willing to bet T.M. would not have mixed it up with a polite person.
His nineth mistake was shooting center mass. Of course that is what all the NRA classes teach novices, and Z was a novice for sure. Still it was a huge mistake.
He probably made quite a few more mistakes that we still don't know of.
Lying to the judge about his financial resources was his most recent mistake.
It never ends with this guy.
Whenever your mistakes lead to the death of another it is normally adjudicated to be manslaughter. We will have to wait and see how the actual trial goes.
The police were initially told not to charge him. That cost their police chief his job. That was the second casualty in this drama.
I would not be surprised if Z's freedom and right to keep and bear arms becomes the final casualty.
I have done it armed, and unarmed, CCW, and OC, middle of the afternoon, and late at night.
In my experience Z made a lot of mistakes.
His first mistake, in his case, was patrolling alone. He was not cut out to do this kind of work alone.
His second mistake was patrolling around the dinner hour. Everyone is home around the dinner hour so very little crime ever takes place then. Criminals are not stupid.
His third mistake was patrolling in the rain. Criminals do not like to get wet, same as the rest of us. Whenever it rains the criminals are usually in a warm bar someplace drinking it up.
His fourth mistake was profiling T.M. just because of his clothing and race. This caused him to completely overlook the possibility that T.M. was indeed staying or residing in the neighborhood.
His fifth mistake he freely has already admitted, that he misjudged T.M.'s age and though T.M. was actually older, not realizing he was a juvenile instead.
His sixth mistake was getting out of his car, which served as a safe cocoon for him as it would for anyone else.
His seventh mistake was pursuing T.M. This is a violation of T.M.s privacy and civil liberties.
His eighth mistake was getting into a confrontation with T.M. without properly backing off and away. We don't know what started the fistfight, but I would be willing to bet T.M. would not have mixed it up with a polite person.
His nineth mistake was shooting center mass. Of course that is what all the NRA classes teach novices, and Z was a novice for sure. Still it was a huge mistake.
He probably made quite a few more mistakes that we still don't know of.
Lying to the judge about his financial resources was his most recent mistake.
It never ends with this guy.
Whenever your mistakes lead to the death of another it is normally adjudicated to be manslaughter. We will have to wait and see how the actual trial goes.
The police were initially told not to charge him. That cost their police chief his job. That was the second casualty in this drama.
I would not be surprised if Z's freedom and right to keep and bear arms becomes the final casualty.
Shoobee
Banned
Until the trial, this will get beaten to death over and over. Then when the trial starts it will become another blockbuster.
SGB
New member
How is being pinned to the ground and beaten a "fist fight"? How is having your head slammed against concrete a "fist fight"? What part of "..fear of death or great bodily harm" is it you don't comprehend?
eagleeyes
New member
if it been me i'd done just what zim done
knowing i couldn't possibly win a guy like trayvon in a fist fight .........and zim probably couldn't have beat him either imo
if zim and tray was in a fistfight no guns or weapons i'd place my money tray would have kicked zims ass hands down
knowing i couldn't possibly win a guy like trayvon in a fist fight .........and zim probably couldn't have beat him either imo
if zim and tray was in a fistfight no guns or weapons i'd place my money tray would have kicked zims ass hands down
SGB
New member
I have been doing neighborhood watch for several decades now. In that time I have learned what works and what does not work.
I have done it armed, and unarmed, CCW, and OC, middle of the afternoon, and late at night.
In my experience Z made a lot of mistakes.
His first mistake, in his case, was patrolling alone. He was not cut out to do this kind of work alone.
His second mistake was patrolling around the dinner hour. Everyone is home around the dinner hour so very little crime ever takes place then. Criminals are not stupid.
His third mistake was patrolling in the rain. Criminals do not like to get wet, same as the rest of us. Whenever it rains the criminals are usually in a warm bar someplace drinking it up.
His fourth mistake was profiling T.M. just because of his clothing and race. This caused him to completely overlook the possibility that T.M. was indeed staying or residing in the neighborhood.
His fifth mistake he freely has already admitted, that he misjudged T.M.'s age and though T.M. was actually older, not realizing he was a juvenile instead.
His sixth mistake was getting out of his car, which served as a safe cocoon for him as it would for anyone else.
His seventh mistake was pursuing T.M. This is a violation of T.M.s privacy and civil liberties.
His eighth mistake was getting into a confrontation with T.M. without properly backing off and away. We don't know what started the fistfight, but I would be willing to bet T.M. would not have mixed it up with a polite person.
His nineth mistake was shooting center mass. Of course that is what all the NRA classes teach novices, and Z was a novice for sure. Still it was a huge mistake.
He probably made quite a few more mistakes that we still don't know of.
Lying to the judge about his financial resources was his most recent mistake.
It never ends with this guy.
Whenever your mistakes lead to the death of another it is normally adjudicated to be manslaughter. We will have to wait and see how the actual trial goes.
The police were initially told not to charge him. That cost their police chief his job. That was the second casualty in this drama.
I would not be surprised if Z's freedom and right to keep and bear arms becomes the final casualty.
Your post is full of so many inaccuracies it isn't funny.
Shoobee
Banned
Oh Eagleeyes say it aint so!
Tell me you are not the kind of person who confronts people just because of their race and clothing.
Tell me you are not so foolish as to go prowling your own neighborhood armed and paranoid all hours of the day when others are having dinner instead.
Tell me you can be polite and talk to a kid, not get into a fight with one.
Tell me gunning someone else down is not the only trick in your bag of tricks.
Please.
SGB
New member
You can't spread gossip and conjecture as "fact" and not expect to get called on it friend. Your post has serious "factual" flaws as well as some laughable conclusions.
Mr.Zimmerman is going back to jail because a judge has decided he was not forthcoming about his financial situation in regards to what he could afford for bail. I had heard that his lawyer tried to correct this shortly after Zimmerman's release on bail, but apparently was not able to. If this case were not so political due to efforts of certain race baiting "reverends", and a president who never had a son but....., it would all be over by now.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Starting with the premise that Zimmerman was "patrolling" at all. He was either on his way to, or returning from, a trip to the grocery store when he saw Martin. SGB probably recalls which it was, but he neither chose the hour, the weather, the subject's race (he didn't even claim to know the race when asked) or much of anything when he began to focus on Martin.
Like I said in the OP (ETA: Oops - in another thread's OP), here we go again....
Blues
BC1
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He would ike to dispense with the formalities and move directly to not guilty.
eagleeyes
New member
shoobee ''Oh Eagleeyes say it aint so!
Tell me you are not the kind of person who confronts people just because of their race and clothing.
Tell me you are not so foolish as to go prowling your own neighborhood armed and paranoid all hours of the day when others are having dinner instead.
Tell me you can be polite and talk to a kid, not get into a fight with one.
Tell me gunning someone else down is not the only trick in your bag of tricks.
Please.
shoobee there was a string of robberies in my area just as there was in zims area and you can bet your ass i questioned suspicious characters in my area yes i did i asked if they lived around here or were looking for someone in a nice way......and others i followed to see where they were going yes i did. i live on a small block one way in and one way out and all us know each other here and those i asked were not rude they didn't try to punch me or beat my head in the ground others i wasn't sure of i watched and let them know i was watching too and they quickly left the area as did some kids i asked who they knew here they quickly left as i noticed them looking hard at my neighbors yard so i came out and asked if they were looking for someone they gave me a blank stare and left i was lucky they didn't try to hurt me as they were about 15 and it was two of them and they was staring into my neighbors yard i told my neighbor and they had bikes locked to a tree in their yard at the time so my guess they was eyeing those bikes......
some said they were lost another said he wanted to talk about jesus......lol
and yes i was polite to the ones i confronted
when i first moved here and didn't know anyone and i saw two girls couldn't been more than 10 or 11 years old i watched as one went up a driveway and get a bike out the carport the other just stood in the street then they both took off with the bike i just thought they were kids lived around here getting a bike... come to find out they done stolen that bike they didn't even live in the area they were young girls they were also black but even still had i known my neighbors at the time i could have easily prevented a theft of my neighbors bike but again i didn't know who was who then later i think one those same very young girls came to my house asked me if she could sweep my porch for a couple dollars i said no honey i ain't got the money and she left but something just didn't seem right about her and not because she was black or anything but i had a weird feeling when i came out to see who was there.....
gunning down someone is not anything in my 'bag of tricks' i don't play tricks like that but i like i said would not hesitate to gun down someone threatening harm or who sucker punched me to the ground i most certainly would fire at them you betcha
i want to keep myself and my neighbors safe here if i can help it and will call cops and report suspicious behaviour when i see it just like zim done
i don't know what all happened between tray and zim but i do know if someone punched me and tried to bash my head i certainly would have pulled a zim on them
Tell me you are not the kind of person who confronts people just because of their race and clothing.
Tell me you are not so foolish as to go prowling your own neighborhood armed and paranoid all hours of the day when others are having dinner instead.
Tell me you can be polite and talk to a kid, not get into a fight with one.
Tell me gunning someone else down is not the only trick in your bag of tricks.
Please.
shoobee there was a string of robberies in my area just as there was in zims area and you can bet your ass i questioned suspicious characters in my area yes i did i asked if they lived around here or were looking for someone in a nice way......and others i followed to see where they were going yes i did. i live on a small block one way in and one way out and all us know each other here and those i asked were not rude they didn't try to punch me or beat my head in the ground others i wasn't sure of i watched and let them know i was watching too and they quickly left the area as did some kids i asked who they knew here they quickly left as i noticed them looking hard at my neighbors yard so i came out and asked if they were looking for someone they gave me a blank stare and left i was lucky they didn't try to hurt me as they were about 15 and it was two of them and they was staring into my neighbors yard i told my neighbor and they had bikes locked to a tree in their yard at the time so my guess they was eyeing those bikes......
some said they were lost another said he wanted to talk about jesus......lol
and yes i was polite to the ones i confronted
when i first moved here and didn't know anyone and i saw two girls couldn't been more than 10 or 11 years old i watched as one went up a driveway and get a bike out the carport the other just stood in the street then they both took off with the bike i just thought they were kids lived around here getting a bike... come to find out they done stolen that bike they didn't even live in the area they were young girls they were also black but even still had i known my neighbors at the time i could have easily prevented a theft of my neighbors bike but again i didn't know who was who then later i think one those same very young girls came to my house asked me if she could sweep my porch for a couple dollars i said no honey i ain't got the money and she left but something just didn't seem right about her and not because she was black or anything but i had a weird feeling when i came out to see who was there.....
gunning down someone is not anything in my 'bag of tricks' i don't play tricks like that but i like i said would not hesitate to gun down someone threatening harm or who sucker punched me to the ground i most certainly would fire at them you betcha
i want to keep myself and my neighbors safe here if i can help it and will call cops and report suspicious behaviour when i see it just like zim done
i don't know what all happened between tray and zim but i do know if someone punched me and tried to bash my head i certainly would have pulled a zim on them
Shoobee
Banned
The nice thing about OC is that it is very persuasive.
It persuades others to crap in their pants and get the heck out of there. Or so I have heard perps say to each other in the night.
CCW does not convey that same conviction and therefore it is problematic.
Zimmerman clearly had no idea about what he was getting himself into nor what he was doing, so a simple baseball bat would have served him much better.
Even so, his paranoia was bound to get him into big trouble eventually, as it did.
No big surprise there.
It persuades others to crap in their pants and get the heck out of there. Or so I have heard perps say to each other in the night.
CCW does not convey that same conviction and therefore it is problematic.
Zimmerman clearly had no idea about what he was getting himself into nor what he was doing, so a simple baseball bat would have served him much better.
Even so, his paranoia was bound to get him into big trouble eventually, as it did.
No big surprise there.
Shoobee
Banned
I *feel* like Z is guilty of something, but not yet sure of what.
It seems like somewhere in between wanton disregard or negligence so far.
The special prosecutor obviously took a hard line for wanton disregard.
It seems more like a foolish accident to me so far, resulting in a death, which is clearly a felony, and for which Z should be stripped of his firearms forevermore.
He can then still do neighborhood watch with a baseball bat if he wants to, at least until he kills another unarmed kid.
SGB
New member
Waiting for BC1's outrage .....................
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