The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
I think that you are an angry, ignorant, race baiting punk who talks a lot of $hit.
Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one.
Now kindly STFU.
~End of Discussion~
what do you think about zimmerman
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I think that you are an angry, ignorant, race baiting punk who talks a lot of $hit.
Opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has one.
Now kindly STFU.
~End of Discussion~
SGB
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You have to look at several statutes - 776.012 is the SYG statute, 776.013 is the Castle Doctrine and 776.031 establishes no duty to retreat in defense of others.
The Sanford Police's initial investigation verified facts that supported Zimmerman's claim of self defense and the local States Attorney made the decision that under 776.012 there wasn't sufficient evidence to establish probable cause for arrest. You are correct in that 776.012 is meant to prevent the charge them all and let a jury decide method of jurist prudence our more liberal friends seem to prefer. Unfortunately our gutless Governor over ruled the decision of the original States Attorney and appointed a special prosecutor who has ignored the law and proceeded with a politically driven prosecution.
EVEN IF Zimmerman had been this nefarious aggressor that all the conjecture and falsified reporting has made him appear to be there is still 776.041 that comes into play.[SIZE=-1]
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who
1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
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[/SIZE]The more information that comes out the bigger the horses ass Corey and her circus looks to be.
[SIZE=-1]776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).
History.—s. 4, ch. 2005-27.
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The outlaw your a tool. This forum is so easy to troll its ******* funny. All you guys getting upset keep raging im laughing. And if you think i believe anything iv posted you gotta be ******* stupid im just here to get a rise out of a couple of you liberal loving pussys.
End of discussion.
Go ahead and make jokes about my spelling and see if i give a ****
End of discussion.
Go ahead and make jokes about my spelling and see if i give a ****
SGB
New member
Please step away from the crack pipe son ................
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I had to ask that question to figure out what we agree on, and we agree on that point. I believe also that the shooting would've almost assuredly been avoided if Zimmerman had stayed in the vehicle.
However, if what you're mostly concerned with are the actions of the police both during and subsequent to the events, the vehicle is a total non-issue, as Zimmerman was already on foot by the time the issue of following Martin came up by the non-emergency dispatcher (there never was a 911 operator involved with him), and he was following on foot, not in his car.
Personally, I don't see the relevance of the Chief of Police stepping down, temporarily or for good. That was a political decision as far as I can tell. The way I analyze it, he's kind of the fall-guy in this, as the cops wanted to press charges that night, but the prosecutor's office said no, the case for criminal activity couldn't be made with the facts as they knew them at the time. The Chief stepped down while under the microscope of the media and Sharpton et al several weeks after the prosecutor took the charging decision out of his or his department's hands. It had nothing to do with any facts that the cops missed or mishandled, it's just that sh!t rolls downhill, and in that hierarchy, the prosecutor dumped his load on the Chief's head....umm....so to speak. LOL
While it is true that none of us knows for sure who confronted whom that night, the available evidence that is in the public domain strongly suggests that Martin confronted Zimmerman while he was on his way back to his vehicle. The available evidence also strongly suggests that it was Zimmerman screaming for help for 20-some-odd seconds before the shot could be heard on the 911 recording of a neighbor's call. Martin's own father excluded Trayvon as the voice yelling for help before he knew that that conclusion helped Zimmerman's case. Martin Sr. has since changed his story and now swears that's Trayvon yelling, while the Zimmerman family members have identified the voice as being George's from the beginning and, obviously, have not changed their story in that regard.
No one has uncovered a FL statute that makes following another person illegal in any way. Following is not, as far as any of us knows, a form of harassment or, in and of itself, a valid rationale for feeling threatened and "standing your ground" against that "threat." If Zimmerman did make the first contact, even by being overly-assertive, by saying something like, "Hey you! What are you doing here?" Martin would have no legal grounds to go on the attack. The only thing that would give him the legal authority to attack would be if Zimmerman either made the first physical contact, or showed his weapon or verbally threatened him that he'd shoot if he didn't stop, but nothing like that is consistent with Zimmerman ending up on his back with a broken nose, having blows delivered "MMA style" (according to an eye-witness) and his head being bashed against the concrete for 20-some-odd seconds before deciding to fire a weapon that he ostensibly had already drawn or announced his intentions to use. Does that scenario make sense to you? If it doesn't, and it doesn't to me, then it probably isn't true. If exiting a car and following a subject isn't illegal, and the person being followed decides to attack the follower, it is the person being followed who is the initial aggressor, not the follower. It may be counter-intuitive, and we and the jury and the cops and the judge might all agree that exiting the vehicle was a mistake, but if it wasn't a mistake that rises to the level of being a violation of the law, then Zimmerman should be afforded all of the protections of the self-defense and/or stand your ground statutes that apply to the facts of his case.
Always glad to discuss any issue with you fstroupe. If you have a problem with the above analysis, let's hear it. Otherwise, take care, talk again soon.
Blues
eagleeyes
New member
what do i think about zimmerman
i think he was a well meaning guy concerned about the rash or robberies in his area. he was like a typical condo commando trying to keep the community safe walked around his community and watched for anything suspicious as commandos of communities like that do. (when he saw trayvon, a stranger to him, he watched him perhaps followed him and maybe was returning to his vehicle after calling the cops, my guess trayvon was on to being watched and perhaps got rude and quickly sucker punched zim) in parenthesis just speculation on my part ........and wound up shot
however i do feel bad for what zim is going through as the media made a mockery a circus and played race cards out of a self defense shooting case .
i feel his intentions were good and his defensive shot justifiable
also feel bad for the martin family but when you raise up a disrespectful kid with attitude problems don't be surprised when he gets suspended from school when punching at a bus driver.........or someone defends their self against his threats with a gunshot
i think he was a well meaning guy concerned about the rash or robberies in his area. he was like a typical condo commando trying to keep the community safe walked around his community and watched for anything suspicious as commandos of communities like that do. (when he saw trayvon, a stranger to him, he watched him perhaps followed him and maybe was returning to his vehicle after calling the cops, my guess trayvon was on to being watched and perhaps got rude and quickly sucker punched zim) in parenthesis just speculation on my part ........and wound up shot
however i do feel bad for what zim is going through as the media made a mockery a circus and played race cards out of a self defense shooting case .
i feel his intentions were good and his defensive shot justifiable
also feel bad for the martin family but when you raise up a disrespectful kid with attitude problems don't be surprised when he gets suspended from school when punching at a bus driver.........or someone defends their self against his threats with a gunshot
SGB
New member
183? pages of evidence have been released and are on the web for viewing. And WHY isn't this an appropriate subject for discussion? There but for the grace of God could be anyone of us.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Shoobee
Banned
I think your analysis is plausible, except for the part about following. That piece is a bit naive. It will be up to the jury and the judge to decide whether the following actions can be reasonably interpreted as a stalk and the prelude to an assault.
Otherwise not bad.
I can tell you right now, if I discover someone following me, either in a car, or on foot, I am going to interpret it as a stalk and a prelude to an assault, and I am going to take them out. I dont know whether you are racist or ultra pro gun rights, but one of these two has clouded your own judgment.
That's why we need a trial. With real facts determined by a real jury, and evidence introduced under strict rules. Otherwise all you get is a zoo with shouting contests, like here, and elsewhere across the land.
SGB
New member
Yeah that worked so well for Martin. With your apparent self confessed propensity towards over reaction with violence I sincerely hope you're not licensed to carry a firearm.
SGB
New member
You're very welcome stovepipe.
Shoobee
Banned
While what you say is exactly right, some consideration should also be given for the actions of Z leading up to the confrontation. There seems to be some agreement among all but the most racist and most ultra pro gun groups that Z should never have gotten out of his car. In addition it seems to me he made other really big mistakes. Mistakes + homicide = manslaughter in most cases that go to trial.
We just all need to be patient and see.
I know everyone has a side in this they are cheering for. The trial will eventually end all that. A trial is all that the parents were asking for.
eagleeyes
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shoobee i love ya but condo commandos are just doing what they feel is best in keeping their neighborhood safe. they used to question my guests often if they saw them whilst making their daily walks and not one of my friends disrespected them as obnoxious as commandos can be at times about.
SGB
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whitefeather
New member
Finally we have an area of agreement
Although we seldom agree, I do appreciate the time and thought you put into many of your posts.
Ultimately, I believe that Zimmerman will plead to a Manslaughter charge. He has some areas of jeopardy that were realized by the original detective on the case.
Zimmerman does have a "history" of making unfavorable comments. On Myspace he used profanity laced, aggressive, language to communicate his feelings. His attorney O'Mara coomments as follows: "A statement posted on a Zimmerman defense site run by O’Mara concedes that the comments “will cast Mr. Zimmerman in a less-than-favorable light. O'Mara even concedes it could be used as evidence in the case. His statement says there will be no comment on the MySpace statements for that reason."
The case will be decided on Zimmerman leaving his car and his actions up to the altercation with Martin. If he had not left the car and waited for LEO's then there is a different ending. A jury will be presented the fact that Martin was pursued by an unknown aggressive acting person, in the dark and close to his home. He had every right to defend himself from bodily harm. There are poor quality cell phone recordings that depict someone asking for help. These could play a huge role in a jury trial.
Whatever the outcome, it is not worth destroying your life over.
SGB
New member
Finally we have an area of agreement
Although we seldom agree, I do appreciate the time and thought you put into many of your posts.
Ultimately, I believe that Zimmerman will plead to a Manslaughter charge. He has some areas of jeopardy that were realized by the original detective on the case.
Zimmerman does have a "history" of making unfavorable comments. On Myspace he used profanity laced, aggressive, language to communicate his feelings. His attorney O'Mara coomments as follows: "A statement posted on a Zimmerman defense site run by O’Mara concedes that the comments “will cast Mr. Zimmerman in a less-than-favorable light. O'Mara even concedes it could be used as evidence in the case. His statement says there will be no comment on the MySpace statements for that reason."
The case will be decided on Zimmerman leaving his car and his actions up to the altercation with Martin. If he had not left the car and waited for LEO's then there is a different ending. A jury will be presented the fact that Martin was pursued by an unknown aggressive acting person, in the dark and close to his home. He had every right to defend himself from bodily harm. There are poor quality cell phone recordings that depict someone asking for help. These could play a huge role in a jury trial.
Whatever the outcome, it is not worth destroying your life over.
I agree Zimmerman isn't the brightest bulb in the package but as the prosecutions "evidence" comes to light their case gets weaker and weaker. I strongly doubt this will even make it to a jury.
