Why Open Carry is a bad Strategy


disneyr

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If I still had it, I'd OC the Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum I used to own, but I sold that many years ago.

The nice thing about OC, you don't have to worry about being able to hide something.

OC'ing a Ruger Redhawk would be excellent! A friend of mine has a rig for his Redhawk that looks just like the one Tom Selleck wore in "Quigley Down Under". There would be no mistaking that rig as concealed. :)

My friend is an Army sniper. Snipers love that Quigley movie.
 

Big Gay Al

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OC'ing a Ruger Redhawk would be excellent! A friend of mine has a rig for his Redhawk that looks just like the one Tom Selleck wore in "Quigley Down Under". There would be no mistaking that rig as concealed. :)

My friend is an Army sniper. Snipers love that Quigley movie.
Well, when I was in, I was a tanker, but I still love that Quigley movie too. :smile:

Tom Selleck was great as Magnum, but I tend to agree with some movie critics, he was born to play westerns.
 

Grognard Gunny

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Yoicks! There is a "picture" to bring fear into your heart! An Octogenarian with a semi automatic weapon!

"... and everyone knew
ya didn't give no lip
to the aged geezer
with the 'big iron'
on her hip!"

Refrain (chorus): "Big iron on her hip!"

LOL!

GG
 

LuckyDDouglas

New member
At the very least, open carry seems a better plan than not being able to carry at all. Current Supreme Court interest in very narrow definitions of exactly what the 2nd Amendment is all about seems a whole lot more scary than the difference between open and concealed carry.
 

Nightmare45

NRA LIFE MEMBER
Spent a wonderful vacation in Sedona, AZ open carry nobody not even the visitors said a word. As far as open vs concealed we have beat this horse to death, dead horse remove saddle find new horse and move on.
 

Sandrakay

New member
I agree with the surprise aspect of going concealed instead of open carry. It seems the open carry person would be the first one taken out and probably in the back.
 

Firefighterchen

OC for Tactical Advantage
Sandrakay:225961 said:
I agree with the surprise aspect of going concealed instead of open carry. It seems the open carry person would be the first one taken out and probably in the back.

Food for thought.

The chances of a gun being involved in the death of a child is much higher in houses that have guns than those that do not. While its sad, the argument against it is that the amount of times those guns have stopped a crime overwhelms the death of a family member.

The chances of getting in a car crash increase if you drive a car, compared to if you don't.

The chances of getting your gun grabbed OC is greater than those that cc. What are those chances, well there has only been one reported indecent in the past decade among the hundred thousands open carriers. If we are losing a big advantage with those chances, people who use guns for home defense are really screwed.
 

G50AE

Well-known member
Food for thought.

The chances of a gun being involved in the death of a child is much higher in houses that have guns than those that do not. While its sad, the argument against it is that the amount of times those guns have stopped a crime overwhelms the death of a family member.

The chances of getting in a car crash increase if you drive a car, compared to if you don't.

The chances of getting your gun grabbed OC is greater than those that cc. What are those chances, well there has only been one reported indecent in the past decade among the hundred thousands open carriers. If we are losing a big advantage with those chances, people who use guns for home defense are really screwed.

People who have swiming pools in their backyard are more likely to have family members drown. In fact it has been shown that swiming pools are more likely to kill people than guns. We need to ban swiming pools obviously.
 

Big Gay Al

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People who have swiming pools in their backyard are more likely to have family members drown. In fact it has been shown that swiming pools are more likely to kill people than guns. We need to ban swiming pools obviously.
I recall reading somewhere, that at one time, the CDC (or some gov't agency) said your toddler was more likely to drown in a bucket of water, than almost any other method. I guess we need to ban buckets too. :wink:
 

mrjam2jab

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I recall reading somewhere, that at one time, the CDC (or some gov't agency) said your toddler was more likely to drown in a bucket of water, than almost any other method. I guess we need to ban buckets too. :wink:

They can have my HoDePo buckets when they pry....oh never mind. :biggrin:
 

NavyLCDR

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People who have swiming pools in their backyard are more likely to have family members drown. In fact it has been shown that swiming pools are more likely to kill people than guns. We need to ban swiming pools obviously.

I recall reading somewhere, that at one time, the CDC (or some gov't agency) said your toddler was more likely to drown in a bucket of water, than almost any other method. I guess we need to ban buckets too. :wink:

You both are wrong. It's not the pools and it's not the buckets. Water is THE leading cause of drowning. We must ban the water!
 

Tucker's Mom

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You both are wrong. It's not the pools and it's not the buckets. Water is THE leading cause of drowning. We must ban the water!
And we must ban my mother too -- she will kill me if she knows I am carrying:hang3:...I must get a restraining order against her...:angry: Oooooooh...nevermind:fie:
 

tommy62

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Police open carry because they have BADGES pinned on their shirt... (Not CCW badges.)

I like the availability to open carry, just in case my shirt gets hung up covering my weapon. I would rather CC, as noted, just for the surprise factor. Although, OC is probably a little quicker on the draw.

Just stirring the popcorn! :sarcastic:
We don't need no stinking badges. Sorry, I couldn't pass it up.
 

walt629

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Cops walk beats alone and drive in a cruiser alone most often in most towns and cities. Cops call for backup when something bad happens just like a citizen calls 911 (which usually goes to the same dispatch).

Again, why do cops open carry?

The word 'cops' cover a wide family of law enforcement officers. The group of LEO's that open carry most are the partol officers, so I assume you are speaking of patrol officers.

Patrol Officers carry openly for the obvious reasons. 1) as a show of force and the authority to use that force. 2) fast draw in panic situations. Note here that police are thrust into panic situations far more that any civilian ever will be and rely heavily on speedy aquisition. 3) have you seen all the crap they have to carry on their person/belt? 4) quic re-holstering so they can safely manipulate the other tools on their tool belt

Compairing LEO reasoning for open carry against civilian decision to open carry is not a valid comparison. I don't believe "because cops do!" is a valid reasoning for open carry unles your intent is to identify yourself as a cop wanna be, and that reasoning alone is a good enough reason for you to NOT carry at all.

The decision to either OC or CC is a personal one, just like my decision of what type of car I buy. All the expanation in the world why YOU (OCer) bought what you bought is not going to convince me (CCer) that I bought the wrong car. Simply stated "it fits my needs". And we need to recognize this argument goes both ways. I don't care if you legally OC. I may not agree with the decision but it is not my decision to make for you (only your state legislature can make decisions for you without your consent)

I conceal carry for one reason alone. For concealment. I don't want anyone to know I have a gun. It's none of their business. Personnaly I think Open carry will draw more attention to myself and that's not why I carry. I want to be mistaken for a wall flower and ignored by everyone. I don't carry to stand out in a crowd. The element of suprise is a most powerful weapon.
 

walt629

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Food for thought.

The chances of a gun being involved in the death of a child is much higher in houses that have guns than those that do not. While its sad, the argument against it is that the amount of times those guns have stopped a crime overwhelms the death of a family member.

Don't have children! :sarcastic:
 

S&WM&P40

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Where do you live, Mayberry Lane?

In my area, police even wait for helicopter backup prior to contacting suspects!

And that has nothing to do with the lone victim, who is dead meat if he/she doesn't know the rules of street fighting!


But again, it's your choice.

I am indifferent as to whether you survive or not!

You're not my student, so do what you want!

If everyone open carries, my students all get a bigger advantage, the element of surprise, because the BG's will assume they are unarmed!

Great for us.

You keep talking about the "rules of the street" Rules of a street fight" etc.. Not sure what kind of street fights you have been in? The number one rule in a street fight is there is no rules he/she who fights the best/dirtier then the other guy wins.

You get all the arm chair Rambo's on here who think that just because they stand in front of a mirror and work on their draw, that some how makes them an expert on tactics. What works best for you does not always work for someone else.

Not sure what city you live in(from the sounds of it, it sounds like IRAQ?) As an above poster has already stated police in many states/towns/cites work alone while out on patrol. Back up is sometimes seconds away and other times it's hours away.

But that's cool, you use what works for you and go watch "Road House" a few more times. The rest of us will carry in a manner that best fits our needs.
 

Firefighterchen

OC for Tactical Advantage
walt629:226752 said:
The word 'cops' cover a wide family of law enforcement officers. The group of LEO's that open carry most are the partol officers, so I assume you are speaking of patrol officers.

Patrol Officers carry openly for the obvious reasons. 1) as a show of force and the authority to use that force. 2) fast draw in panic situations. Note here that police are thrust into panic situations far more that any civilian ever will be and rely heavily on speedy aquisition. 3) have you seen all the crap they have to carry on their person/belt? 4) quic re-holstering so they can safely manipulate the other tools on their tool belt

Compairing LEO reasoning for open carry against civilian decision to open carry is not a valid comparison. I don't believe "because cops do!" is a valid reasoning for open carry unles your intent is to identify yourself as a cop wanna be, and that reasoning alone is a good enough reason for you to NOT carry at all.

The decision to either OC or CC is a personal one, just like my decision of what type of car I buy. All the expanation in the world why YOU (OCer) bought what you bought is not going to convince me (CCer) that I bought the wrong car. Simply stated "it fits my needs". And we need to recognize this argument goes both ways. I don't care if you legally OC. I may not agree with the decision but it is not my decision to make for you (only your state legislature can make decisions for you without your consent)

I conceal carry for one reason alone. For concealment. I don't want anyone to know I have a gun. It's none of their business. Personnaly I think Open carry will draw more attention to myself and that's not why I carry. I want to be mistaken for a wall flower and ignored by everyone. I don't carry to stand out in a crowd. The element of suprise is a most powerful weapon.

I agree police shouldn't be used for either case on either method of carry.

in the end it is a personal choice, and both sides have said that repeatedly. We question the reasoning, not the choice. The fact that the end conclusion is you decided to arm yourself means you are correct.

I open carry for many reasons, reasons I came to after studying both methods and self defense strategy. The main reason I carry at all is to not be a victim. The element of deterrence is a more powerful weapon to me, that will fulfill my reason more times than I will know. It will also minimize the amount of loss sustained should I be targeted by keeping my defense unobstructed and faster to draw to become offensive.
 

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