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Police don't stop you when you open carry you have no idea what your talking about . I have open carried for about a year off and on. If you know the laws you are in control not the police
Now what...now I go somewhere else to spend my money.
What do you think the purpose of this thread was supposed to be?
It's ironic that the The concealed carry only crowd has made numerous references to open carriers as Wyatt Earp. I recently read Earp's biography and found some interesting things. When patrolling, he, his brothers and even the Mastersons always carried a hidden belly gun in addition to their side arms. They concealed it. Earp sometimes didn't carry a sidearm at all, just a concealed belly gun, which I found amazing considering the element they were dealing with. What balls! They tried to enforce laws prohibiting the carry of firearms within city limits without much success. The good citizens followed the law and the bad element began concealing or carrying a belly gun.
and yes I still think OC be it legal in most states is by far more dangerous for the person who is OC'ing and the people around them. I've watched numerous youtube videos concerning police stopping OC'ers in places where it's legal to OC and it sure doesn't stop them from harassing them time after time, so why put yourself in the limelight to be hassled, check out the youtube videos, it might give you a different perspective, because I figure the videos are a very small percentage of the people getting stopped by the police.
and yes I still think OC be it legal in most states is by far more dangerous for the person who is OC'ing and the people around them. I've watched numerous youtube videos concerning police stopping OC'ers in places where it's legal to OC and it sure doesn't stop them from harassing them time after time, so why put yourself in the limelight to be hassled, check out the youtube videos, it might give you a different perspective, because I figure the videos are a very small percentage of the people getting stopped by the police.
That's the big difference in our perspectives, mmckee1952. Your perspective comes from what you see on youtube and read on the internet. My perspective comes from what I experience in real life. Which perspective do you think is more accurate? You say, "I figure the videos are a very small percentage of the people getting stopped by the police." Well, you know what.... the youtube videos are even a tiny fraction of the percentage of people who open carry every day! You would get really, really bored if thousands of people posted thousands of hours each of them open carrying with absolutely nothing different going on than anyone else around them.
You are a victim of the information age, mmckee1952. Because it's on the internet makes it true and commonplace to you. And I love this that you posted, "I still think OC be it legal in most states is by far more dangerous for the person who is OC'ing and the people around them." Wow. There is one difference between you carrying a gun, mmckee1952 and me carrying a gun. That difference is a few milimeters of cloth. Your gun is under your shirt, and my shirt is behind my gun. That's the difference. But I am far more dangerous to the people around me. Hmmmm....... where have I heard that my gun puts others in danger.... let's see, I belive that last time I read something like that was on the Brady Campaign website.
You can keep your youtube perspective, mmckee1952.... I will stick with my perspective that comes from real life.
In my state, MO, open carry is perfectly legal. The law officers may not know that, but I do and can prove it.
This is true, and all of us who carry firearms should have a good understanding of the laws even if the police don't.
I believe open carry would be greatly fround upon by law enforcement and other citizens.
You can believe that, and depending on where you live it may be true. But generally, everywhere I have gone in the northwest, open carry has not been frowned upon by LEO and civilian people. YMMV, but it would seem at opencarry.org it would be the general consensus that open carry is not frowned upon pretty much everywhere with exception in places such as Chicago/NYC/etc.
Mostly, I believe, because they don't know the law. People see a man open carrying a firearm and automatically think he's got to be breaking a law.
Sadly this is really the main reason people call the police on an open carry...somehow "ignorance is no excuse" does not apply to LEO's or people who are anti-gun. What better way to slap the ignorance out of someone than to show them we do still have rights. It's too bad a good portion of people do not feel it's worth their time to fight off the ignorance that drowns the 2A.
Police would question you often, and you would probably spend a lot of time in handcuffs.
Not true, the majority (if not all) of open carriers, especially those who have taken video of confrontations, do not get put in cuffs. Questioned sure, detained sure, but cuffed? Rarely if at all! Also, that is a problem in the police department and not the open carrier, the solution does not lie in concealing, but rewriting police procedure.
Also, open carry v.s concealed carry, it seems less likely for someone to disarm you if they can't see, or don't know your carrying. It seems to me, if you open carry in public, it wouldn't take much for someone to get their hands on your gun...which would create an unsafe situation. My Opinion.
This also is not materializing in real life. The majority of "gun grabs" occur after the firearm is drawn, this is true for LE and civilian. I have yet to hear that an open carry civilian has had their firearm taken from them when the firearm was still holstered.
I haven't come back sooner because I wanted to read the pro's & con's that have been listed here so far and I did receive the responses I figured I'ed get just about 50/50 on the subject, and yes I still think OC be it legal in most states is by far more dangerous for the person who is OC'ing and the people around them.
50/50? Seriously...maybe you didn't read your own thread...but it's far from 50/50.
I've watched numerous youtube videos concerning police stopping OC'ers in places where it's legal to OC and it sure doesn't stop them from harassing them time after time, so why put yourself in the limelight to be hassled, check out the youtube videos, it might give you a different perspective, because I figure the videos are a very small percentage of the people getting stopped by the police.
Those activists do it so that someday we don't get hassled. Hiding from the problem doesn't make the problem go away.
And to say you never recieve a commnet or a questional look while OC'ing is false, the person who is OC'ing stands out like a sore thumb, I've seen quite a few here in VA and if I can observe them that quickly, I'm quite sure the one's who are up to no good see them even before I did.
You can not tell other people who have open carried, in other parts of the country, what they have or had not happen to them. In your case, it sounds like YOUR elitist mentality is the problem. I'm sure with your attitude, you stick out like a sore thumb far worse.
Someone needs to tell him . Like your post sir
Police don't stop you when you open carry you have no idea what your talking about . I have open carried for about a year off and on. If you know the laws you are in control not the police
Cmon man, you can advocate open carry without bashing cc. And visa versa.
Although, I can appreciate the frustration you must feel hearing all the same "reasons" why OC is evil.
I cc and I can assure you I don't have a superman complex. Although I did have a thing for Wonder Woman back in the late 70's.
Linda Carter hubba hubba.
I have a friend who want's to open carry and I've tried to talk him out of it, because I think it would make him a traget to anyone who might be thinking about doing anything unlawful near him. I had thought to ask the open carry forun here but I really don't think I would recieve a un-biased reply. What I'm asking is what negative reasons are out there, that I can sudjest to my friend.
I have a friend who want's to open carry and I've tried to talk him out of it, because I think it would make him a traget to anyone who might be thinking about doing anything unlawful near him. I had thought to ask the open carry forun here but I really don't think I would recieve a un-biased reply. What I'm asking is what negative reasons are out there, that I can sudjest to my friend.
That's the big difference in our perspectives, mmckee1952. Your perspective comes from what you see on youtube and read on the internet. My perspective comes from what I experience in real life. Which perspective do you think is more accurate? You say, "I figure the videos are a very small percentage of the people getting stopped by the police." Well, you know what.... the youtube videos are even just a tiny fraction of a percentage of people who open carry every day! 99% of open carriers go for years without having a negative police encounter. You would get really, really bored if thousands of people posted thousands of hours each of them open carrying with absolutely nothing different going on than anyone else around them.
You are a victim of the information age, mmckee1952. Because it's on the internet makes it true and commonplace to you. And I love this that you posted, "I still think OC be it legal in most states is by far more dangerous for the person who is OC'ing and the people around them." Wow. There is one difference between you carrying a gun, mmckee1952 and me carrying a gun. That difference is a few milimeters of cloth. Your gun is under your shirt, and my shirt is behind my gun. That's the difference. But I am far more dangerous to the people around me. Hmmmm....... where have I heard that my gun puts others in danger.... let's see, I belive that last time I read something like that was on the Brady Campaign website.
You can keep your youtube perspective, mmckee1952.... I will stick with my perspective that comes from real life.
Are you trying to tell me that your totaly aware of EVERYBODY around you when your at the supermarket? I guarantee you that you are not 100% of the time, and it's at that time your open to someone at your back reaching and grabing your gun. As far as your youtube quote, I've spent the last 8 years CC'ing and 20 years in the military service, so my perspective is to me, correct, when you OC your just a target for someone who has you pegged and you do stand out like a sore thumb to everybody with eyes. If you can go to the LEO Encounters on this webb site and read some of the OC's problems other people have had concerning OC'ing with LEO's.
Are you trying to tell me that your totaly aware of EVERYBODY around you when your at the supermarket? I guarantee you that you are not 100% of the time, and it's at that time your open to someone at your back reaching and grabing your gun. As far as your youtube quote, I've spent the last 8 years CC'ing and 20 years in the military service, so my perspective is to me, correct, when you OC your just a target for someone who has you pegged and you do stand out like a sore thumb to everybody with eyes. If you can go to the LEO Encounters on this webb site and read some of the OC's problems other people have had concerning OC'ing with LEO's.
So your 8 years of CC'ing makes you an expert on OC when you likely have never tried it in daily life? And thank you for your 20 years of military service. I went over 28 a few months ago. This isn't exactly my first rodeo that I showed up to yesterday. I find it amusing the most vocal opponents to OC have never done it on a regular basis, but they feel qualified to tell us that do what WILL happen.