Also an armed man "pacing the block" could be enough to trigger a suspicious activity complaint and a search depending on state law.
On what justification?
Would a "black man 'pacing the block'...be enough to trigger a suspicious activity complaint and a search"?
What about a "white man 'pacing the block'"?
Or maybe a "man with an anti-abortion poster 'pacing the block'"?
What about a "woman with a 'Ron Paul for President' t-shirt 'pacing the block'"?
See the point? Why is it any more acceptable or reasonable for a law-abiding person to be stopped, searched, etc. because the right s/he is exercising is the RKBA than it is any other fundamental right?
Your entire rant is well summed up by your final statement. You would fit right in in Nazi Germany, The U.S.S.R., or N.Y.C.... screw your rights; stay alive! Thank you.KBV
[O]f course the officers were right.
To my knowkedge, the NRA only recognizes one circumstance where you surrender your piece, no questions, and that is at the request of a duly-appointed Law Enforcement Officer. Every NRA class I have taken has stressed this; black, white, myob, taking a stroll, doesn't matter: if an LE requests you surrender your weapon, do as directed. Be polite, and save the Constitutional rants for the OP ED page.
There are also certain areas illegal to carry in: Indian Reservations, Forestry Land, bars and restaurants that sell alcohol, and any place else you are requested to remove it from.
If you bring a gun ion my house, you will be asked to remove it from the premises or place it in my custody while you are here. I and I alone carry a pistol in my home, and it is up to my discretion whether to enforce that or not. However, if I do, comply or leave.
As far as I am concerned, refusing to disarm in my home or vehicle places me in a life-and-death situation.
A twelve-year=old "Crip" wannabe tried to "make his bones (kill someone)" on me in my house one time during a neighborhood gettogether. Someone else saw him about to stab me, and dragged him away. The only way I even learned of it was that I found the knife they took from him, and, not recognizing it, asked questions until I finally got the whole story. "Don't tell Kevin" was pretty much the rule of thumb in situations like that, as most people mistook me for a "shoot first, ask questions later" type. The truth is, I have carried a pistol since age 16 (I'm 54 now) almost all the time, and, though I have had to pull it on several occassions, I have yet to find it necessary to fire.
When dealing with LE, my SOP is to tell them I am carrying and ask if they would prefer to hold it during our encounter. Generaslly, they take it, run the numbers and me, and return it, often in the same Condition One (loaded, cocked, and locked) as I surrendered it in.***Word travels like lightening in the LE field, and more often than not, the officer tells me just to keep it holstered for the time being. Granted, one group of LEOs confiscated my .40 Taurus; I had to go to court to get it back, and when I did, they had broken the firing pin. But there were six of them and one of me, and the law was on their side (sic). Perhaps things did not go as they should have that day, but I am alive and well with my gun rights intact; that says something to me about the wisdom of politely complying. I know for a fact these officers, with whom I had had repeated encounteres with, akin to a "turf war", had no reservations about blowing me away. They tried everything short of planting evidence to get me on a felony charge, and when it became evident that was not going to happen, they tried to provoke me into a lopsided gun battle. I spent a night in jail on some trumped-up charge, which was dismissed immediately next morning, and am still around to tell of it.
If a cop requests you to surrender your firearm, shut up and follow directions. My copy of the Constitution is not bullet-proof.
screrw your rights; stay alive! Thank you.
If you are talking about OC being legal, the answer is no, it is not new.... I may be mistaken but isnt this law a new one. so these cops arent use to it, give them a year or two and it will be alot more lax.
7 years too late: Columbus Dispatch finally discovers open carry isn't a viable self-defense option for Ohioans...do you really blame them, I was always taught that if someones hand comes within 8 in of the weopon they carry then they are a threat. the problem with open carry when walking normally you hand swings that close.
As a retired police officer and a private citizen I see what you are trying to do. You just need to understand that even though it may be legal to openly carry your gun, you run the risk of being confronted by the police. Like it or not. They are justified in contacting a man carrying a gun in public. They are even justified in taking you down at gun point. As the oficers said, they were called, they dont know who you are, and they need to investigate and detain you until they can determine what is going on. In some states open carry is only legal if the firearm is unloaded. In that situation the police can stop you in order to determine if the firearm is in fact unloaded. So either get used to being stopped at gun point or carry concealed. You made your point but you could have also been killed.
You just need to understand that even though it may be legal to openly carry your gun, you run the risk of being confronted by the police. Like it or not.
As a retired police officer and a private citizen I see what you are trying to do. You just need to understand that even though it may be legal to openly carry your gun, you run the risk of being confronted by the police. Like it or not. They are justified in contacting a man carrying a gun in public. They are even justified in taking you down at gun point.
As the oficers said, they were called, they dont know who you are, and they need to investigate and detain you until they can determine what is going on.
In some states open carry is only legal if the firearm is unloaded. In that situation the police can stop you in order to determine if the firearm is in fact unloaded.
So either get used to being stopped at gun point or carry concealed. You made your point but you could have also been killed.
How old are you twelve? If you are carrying around that much anger you should not be carrying a firearm. You seem to be the kind of nut job we read about in the news who gets angry and starts shooting. If you cant even handle feedback on a public forum HANG UP THE GUNS.I'd be likely to pound you if you said that to my face
This may not make me popular, but of course the officers were right. To my knowkedge, the NRA only recognizes one circumstance where you surrender your piece, no questions, and that is at the request of a duly-appointed Law Enforcement Officer. Every NRA class I have taken has stressed this; black, white, myob, taking a stroll, doesn't matter: if an LE requests you surrender your weapon, do as directed. Be polite, and save the Constitutional rants for the OP ED page.
There are also certain areas illegal to carry in: Indian Reservations, Forestry Land, bars and restaurants that sell alcohol, and any place else you are requested to remove it from. If you bring a gun ion my house, you will be asked to remove it from the premises or place it in my custody while you are here. I and I alone carry a pistol in my home, and it is up to my discretion whether to enforce that or not. However, if I do, comply or leave. As far as I am concerned, refusing to disarm in my home or vehicle places me in a life-and-death situation. A twelve-year=old "Crip" wannabe tried to "make his bones (kill someone)" on me in my house one time during a neighborhood gettogether. Someone else saw him about to stab me, and dragged him away. The only way I even learned of it was that I found the knife they took from him, and, not recognizing it, asked questions until I finally got the whole story. "Don't tell Kevin" was pretty much the rule of thumb in situations like that, as most people mistook me for a "shoot first, ask questions later" type. The truth is, I have carried a pistol since age 16 (I'm 54 now) almost all the time, and, though I have had to pull it on several occassions, I have yet to find it necessary to fire. When dealing with LE, my SOP is to tell them I am carrying and ask if they would prefer to hold it during our encounter. Generaslly, they take it, run the numbers and me, and return it, often in the same Condition One (loaded, cocked, and locked) as I surrendered it in.
Word travels like lightening in the LE field, and more often than not, the officer tells me just to keep it holstered for the time being. Granted, one group of LEOs confiscated my .40 Taurus; I had to go to court to get it back, and when I did, they had broken the firing pin. But there were six of them and one of me, and the law was on their side (sic). Perhaps things did not go as they should have that day, but I am alive and well with my gun rights intact; that says something to me about the wisdom of politely complying. I know for a fact these officers, with whom I had had repeated encounteres with, akin to a "turf war", had no reservations about blowing me away. They tried everything short of planting evidence to get me on a felony charge, and when it became evident that was not going to happen, they tried to provoke me into a lopsided gun battle. I spent a night in jail on some trumped-up charge, which was dismissed immediately next morning, and am still around to tell of it. If a cop requests you to surrender your firearm, shut up and follow directions. My copy of the Constitution is not bullet-proof. screrw your rights; stay alive! Thank you.
KBV
.....my turn........If you watch any of the video's from our guy here in NH, Mr. Ridley, He exercises His/Our Rights by OCing here in NH. You'll see that no officer's take his firearm or handcuffs him. When asked for ID, He simply states that NH is an OC state (which They know anyway) and that OCing does not require proof of Permit/ID. He speaks to the officer's with respect, and from what I see causes no illegal disturbances in any of his video's. He informs the officer's that They are being video taped and/or recorded. The police are just responding to a call made which They have too investigate. They ask alot of questions, but he never shows proof of ID.
If some of you never heard of him, check it out. He is on youtube. Also has his own website. I am not advertising any of his so called stop's with law enforcement or anything else. Just something to watch how he exercises His/Our Rights. He is definately a good talker.....
I do not know the links but if you punch in one of the following, I'm sure you'll find some.
*Ridley Report
*Manchester NH
The OP in My opinion seems like he was doing kind of the same thing this Ridley guy does, only in this case the officers put him down on the ground, take his weapon and handcuff him....which you do not see in the video.
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