I'm so glad that the sheriff's deputies "get it" in this little town of mine. We are never treated like this. I've open carried in Wal*Mart. No one bats an eye lash.
This is completely and utterly incorrect. Police must have reasonable, articulable suspicion (RAS) that a crime is being committed or is about to be committed before they may detain a suspect. Since the open carry of a firearm is completely legal in Ohio, there is no reason to suspect someone open carrying a firearm to be committing a crime. Despite Ohio having a “stop and identify” statute, the Ohio courts have ruled (such as in Ohio v. Holly, referencing Florida v. Royer) that police cannot simply detain an individual simply to ascertain their identity without proper RAS, which would be exactly what they did in this case.I for one think you were handled with great restraint and respect. YES, police DO have the right to stop, inquire, and detain individuals until they are satisfied that no law is being broken. If they are not satisfied, they have a period of time to detain you in holding until they must either file charges or let you go. This "you are breaking the law" by detaining me is not correct.
The incident was recorded on a cellphone.Seems to me that alot of open carry people try to bait the police...Why else would you carry a video camera? Yes you were right and they were wrong but in thier response they have to detain you and check you out in the course of a radio call, think of the liability if they had not...of course you probably already knew that. Carrying a video camera and taping the police and carring the law with you. And your probably the type to try to sue over it and waste more taxpayers money. JMHO
From Ohioans For Concealed Carry Discussion Forums • View topic - Ordered to Ground for Openly Carrying a Firearm:I stand corrected about the video camera, but why would he record a walk around the block if not for exactly what happened?
freedom_fighter777 said:I saw a police car a couple hundred yards away and I knew he was going to harass me and I was right.ArcherAce said:I have no doubt the cops were wrong. But, how did you know to record when you did? You said the date, what you were doing, etc... and 2 seconds later the cops show up.
If you don’t mind, could you elaborate on what you mean by “accept the response of those who do not agree or understand”? Are you saying that persons who open carry a firearm should just “accept” having the police order them to the ground at gunpoint for doing nothing wrong?Don't get me wrong i agree with the 2nd amendment and I agree with open carry too, just saying that if you open carry in this day and age you need to accept the response of those who do not agree or understand. JMO
Personally I have ZERO respect for anyone who thinks they are important enough to troll and taunt the police into wasting their time, and my tax money, to make a video of their stupidity. How long did you walk back and forth on that street until someone made a complaint call, illiciting the response that you so desired ??
I for one think you were handled with great restraint and respect. YES, police DO have the right to stop, inquire, and detain individuals until they are satisfied that no law is being broken. If they are not satisfied, they have a period of time to detain you in holding until they must either file charges or let you go. This "you are breaking the law" by detaining me is not correct.
Our community works very hard to keep an image of sane, trained and responsible individuals being armed for their own REAL self protection and intentionally taunting the police to get You-Tube video does not help the cause with lawmakers.
Remember, the "founding fathers" were nothing more than law makers, they were not Gods of some kind and the constitution and the rights that we so want to protect are simply laws on paper. Laws that new law makers CAN change today if desired. The second amendment COULD be repealed with enought support, and the first move to attempt that is always the same ... to show that 2nd amendment supporters are simply nut cases with guns ...
don't give them any more to work with than they already have!
I seem to be having a lot of mixed feelings on this one:
Being black, I certainly try to avoid ALLpolice encounters. Its not like I dress like a thug or anything, but they just treat me differently. And wow, if I was open carrying, I'm afraid I would be shot if I made a false move.
I do appreciate people "Fighting the Good Fight" but I don't think police entrapment is all that helpful. I believe there needs to be a strategy to enlighten the public so they don't make those GWAG calls(although I was shocked how the LEO in the video was like, "not everyone can have a gun"). Yes this is true but BGs usually don't use kydex/leather OWB holsters.
Well, I was planning on replying to this after my "Daddy-Daughter Date" at Chuck E. Cheese, but it looks like it's already been taken care of.Personally I have ZERO respect for anyone who thinks they are important enough to troll and taunt the police into wasting their time, and my tax money, ...
... The second amendment COULD be repealed with enought support, and the first move to attempt that is always the same ... to show that 2nd amendment supporters are simply nut cases with guns ...
don't give them any more to work with than they already have!
The point isn’t that you should “scour the internet” for other posts on the subject; it is that you should not assume things to be fact which were never stated in the information available to you in order to support your overall opinion.Sorry i didn't scouer the internet for other postings of this. Just going by his post here.
What I do not like is the police thinking they can do whatever they want, and I especially do not like citizens who just cater to that belief. I see that you are from Pennsylvania; I suggest giving the following document a read:And it seems whatever I say you won't like so I will stop here.
The fact of the matter is everyone already thinks your a nut job for carrying a gun everyday to start with. It does not matter how you carry it they still think what they think.