As a matter of respect?

[Firefighterchen]

Couldn't agree more.

I don't know Chen. I choose who I call friend very carefully. That's probably the reason I don't have a whole lot of them. I generally know someone for a long time as an acquaintance before I call them friend. But even during that time, they don't know everything about me, including that I CC.

And that was the reason for the question in the OP. Do you carry into the home of someone you really do call friend when they do not know you carry, or do you leave it in the trunk?

Our definition of friends is different then. I also choose who I call friends carefully. If they are an acquaintance, they may or may not know depending on the event. If they are a friend, they all ready know. (this is where our definitions are different, I do not have friends that do not know). Do I inform an acquaintance before entering their home? No. Do I inform a friend before entering their home? I don't need to.

Visa versa: a friend doesn't need to tell me entering my home, since I know what he carries, what ammo he uses, and where it is on him.

Edit: In the end, I too have very few friends. A term I reserve for the dearest to me that aren't family.

 

[BluesStringer]

In my humble opinion, friendships are built on trust. I don't see it as trusting someone by carrying a lethal weapon into their home without giving them the opportunity to make an educated decision on the matter. And where would their trust be in me if I didn't tell them and they became aware of my carry status?

How would they "become aware" of your carry status unless you told them? Like I said, if anyone, your friends included, are spontaneously "becoming aware" that you're carrying, you're doing it wrong.

And trust is a two-way street. If my friends don't trust my good judgment, good discretion and abilities to act only in their best interests in any kind of violent confrontation, then it is they who fall short in the trust department, not me.

And it seems to me that you are leaving an option out of possible solutions when such a dispute arises between "friends." You say the only options are to keep it secret or lock your weapon out of reach, where it can't do anybody any good. I would take a third option if my carry status became known, which it never would, but anyway, if it was such an affront to the sanctity of a "friend's" home that s/he couldn't abide my armed presence, I'd split. Easy enough, and a good lesson learned, that person wasn't really a friend to begin with. My weapon would never leave my command and control though, that much is for sure. From my perspective, that person would still be welcomed in my home and I wouldn't resent their decision to allow an inanimate object to come between our "friendship" in the way I speak to or interact with them after the fact. I would just know that they don't trust me and I wouldn't continue to delude myself into thinking that there was any serious, heartfelt, important relationship between us to begin with.

I know: Wow. Just wow. Someone who believes strongly enough in their own point of view to not care what anyone else, including faux friends, thinks of them and their decision to armor-up, is so uncommon in this politically correct society we have created for ourselves, ain't it though?

Seems rather serendipitous that I changed my sig-line a few hours ago. Read it. It pretty much sums up my views succinctly, whether the explanation is being offered to a cop or a friend.

Blues

 

[NavyLCDR]

Or you could simplify things. Since my wife told her mother, I'm pretty sure that everyone in our city knows I carry. So much for concealed.

Open carry kind of takes care of that as well.

 

[BC1]

Out of respect for your friends do you tell them you're carrying, if they don't already know?

I have a group of friends that only a couple of them know that I carry. If I visit the friends that don't know about my carry status, it has been my personal practice to trunk the gun. And I do this out of respect for my friends. Plus I don't want anyone freaking out if the suddenly realize I have a gun in their house around their kids, wife, pet, whatever.

I expect to get the 'concealed is concealed. nobody needs to know' responses. That mentality works in the outside world where you're only violating the sanctity of a strangers business. But now we're talking about friends and people we hold dear to us.

How many of us will actually violate the sanctity of a friends home by carrying without getting permission from them to do so in their home?

Eventually I'll have to have the discussion with all of the members of my circle of friend but for now, I lock it in the trunk.

I don't carry in my friends' homes. I don't want the kids to bang up against a gun while horsing around. I also don't allow anyone to carry in my home.... ever. All of us respect each other's wishes.

If my friends don't trust my good judgment, good discretion and abilities to act only in their best interests in any kind of violent confrontation, then it is they who fall short in the trust department, not me.

My home is well secured against any foreign intruder. I'll decide when deadly force gets used. I don't want anyone to use their discretion and "open up" in my home. Anyone who doesn't respect this doesn't earn MY trust and can get off the property. There is no second amendment within a man's home. There are only the rights of the homeowner.

 

[NavyLCDR]

A cell phone doesn't hold the potential that a phone has and the bomb comparison is weak and you know it. Nice try though.

Funny, none of my guns have ever discharged a round without the trigger being pulled... what is ludicrous to assign the danger to the inanimate object rather than to the person behind the object. That's exactly the kind of thinking that the Brady Campaign has been indoctrinating the public to believe - with so much success that even some gun owners believe it. Funny how we don't lock up knives and do background checks to buy them, isn't it? A child can walk up to a box of knives on the shelf in Wal Mart and play with them all they want to, but we must lock boxes of handgun ammo up in cases. Go figure.

A person convicted of a felony for stabbing someone else, can walk into Wal Mart and legally buy knives, but they can't buy a gun, because the gun, itself, as an inanimate object is so much more dangerous than a knife, right?

Cell phones are owned by 99% of the population including children and are accepted as part of everyday fashion, guns are owned by a much smaller percentage by comparison and like you said carry a negative mystique in the eyes of a good portion of the populace. Phones don't kill people, guns kill people. Yeah, Yeah! I know. I know. People kill people. That's the reality of the statement but the average schmuck on the street doesn't make that distinction.

And we are never going to change that public perception if we, as gun owners, continue to treat guns like they are evil objects. We are only lending credibility to the ridiculous statements made by the Brady Campaign and anti-gun groups.

All well and good but it doesn't answer the question about carrying your gun into the house of someone you consider a friend but does not know you carry. Do you make a distinction between your 2A right and the right of your friend to know what you are bringing into his home?

Very easily answered. Why does my friend have any more "right" to know about my gun then they do anything else in my possession when in their home? Why is the gun different than the color of underwear I am wearing (if any) or how many cell phones I have in my possession, or what the contents of my wife's purse are? Why do YOU feel the need to tell them about the gun, specifically, above any and every other OBJECT that you might be carrying?

Again, the only reason my gun is different than any other object in MY possession is because the anti-gun groups say it is. In MY possession the gun is no different than my cell phone. If my friend doesn't want a gun in their house, than they are certainly free to ask me if I have a gun in my possession. I have no problems with that at all. Do you ask every shop owner of every store you enter if it is OK to bring a gun into their store? Don't store owner's have the same "rights" as your friends?

 

[jimmyjohn]

I have a similar philosophy.

I like your comments and reasoning. I have carried for over twenty years and have had to go to a few places that were not places I wanted to be. I have had to draw four times so far against people and four against animals. The interesting thing seems to be the animals feared the gun more than the people on a percentage basis. in all the cases I did not fire didn't even point at the target. I only drew on both when weapons were showing clubs and knives on the people and fangs on the others. Both wisely withdrew thankfully. Two were bears.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I like your comments and reasoning.

Whose post are you referring to? Many times posts appear out of order, so we have no way to tell who you agree with.

 

[NavyLCDR]

My home is well secured against any foreign intruder. I'll decide when deadly force gets used. I don't want anyone to use their discretion and "open up" in my home. Anyone who doesn't respect this doesn't earn MY trust and can get off the property. There is no second amendment within a man's home. There are only the rights of the homeowner.

Would you feel the same way as a business owner and prohibit firearms in your business?

 

[BluesStringer]

My home is well secured against any foreign intruder. I'll decide when deadly force gets used. I don't want anyone to use their discretion and "open up" in my home. Anyone who doesn't respect this doesn't earn MY trust and can get off the property. There is no second amendment within a man's home. There are only the rights of the homeowner.

I totally respect your position on this score. For the record, I was responding to the false choice of either maintaining secrecy or disarming. You would never have to take a stand with me that I wasn't welcome in your home once you made it clear that no one is allowed in your home who is armed. I would leave the instant you made that clear. I wouldn't "out" myself as carrying, or try to argue the point with you, I'd just leave.

To anyone who feels as strongly as you do about it, I suggest a sign on your front door. Something to the effect of, "This is a gun-free zone." That alerts visitors to your home of your objections to anyone carrying on your property, and puts the onus on them whether or not to lock it up, leave, or go ahead and violate your house rules. Only in the latter option would you have any reason to feel a trust was broken between you, and the carrier would have no reason to feel offended by knowing your rules and acting upon them by choosing one of the two former options.

In any case, "opening up" in a friend's home is such a remote possibility that it hardly warrants consideration. My main point was my obligation as a concealed carrier is to always maintain control of my weapon. I can't fulfill that obligation if my weapon is locked in the truck. If my gun goes in the truck, so do I, and we head on down that lonely road together. C'est la vie.

Blues

 

[tuts40]

I carry most everywhere. My family knows I carry. Anyone else will never know unless my life or the life of my loved ones is/are threatened.

Agree or disagree matters not to me.

 

[Caribou]

For me the answer is simple. AK law states that I must have permission from one adult resident of the home. I would prefer not to bring up the issue but statute requires otherwise. If someone does not trust me in their home with my weapon then they have defined our relationship. They will still be welcome in my home but I'll not go back to theirs. I respect their right to control their castle. Unfortunately, their stated mistrust of me would make me reconsider our relationship.

I don't go where my gun is not welcome. I will not violate someone's home because of my respect to their rights and the fact that I am not willing to lose my right to carry. I do not support businesses that post no gun signs because I will not give my money to those establishments. No gun signs have no force of law here.

Yo! Outlaw, keep hugging, if you keep your elbows tight to your side she will naturally hug higher and never be near your weapon. Wish I could take credit for this but I believe this idea came from a minister in a previous thread.

 

[agrippakc]

Or you could simplify things. Since my wife told her mother, I'm pretty sure that everyone in our city knows I carry. So much for concealed.

Thats pretty much how it happened to me. Lol.
In the end, unless im in a state that,requires me to tell a person im armed before I enter it is my business and nobody elses.

 

[BluesStringer]

For me the answer is simple. AK law states that I must have permission from one adult resident of the home. I would prefer not to bring up the issue but statute requires otherwise. If someone does not trust me in their home with my weapon then they have defined our relationship. They will still be welcome in my home but I'll not go back to theirs. I respect their right to control their castle. Unfortunately, their stated mistrust of me would make me reconsider our relationship.

Exactly. Like I said, c'est la vie. I will respect and abide by their decision, but it is their decision that stressed the relationship, not my decision to operate under the same set of rules for myself that I have operated under for more than 30 years. I won't allow my own government to disarm me without at least passive resistence. Why on Earth would I allow a so-called friend to?

Blues

 

[Treo]

My home is well secured against any foreign intruder. I'll decide when deadly force gets used. I don't want anyone to use their discretion and "open up" in my home.

Ummm, How often does this actually happen in your home?

 

[Treo]

Most of the time when people join an Internet forum it isn’t to have their beliefs challenged, it’s because they want validation of those beliefs from like-minded people.

 

[B2Tall]

Exactly. Like I said, c'est la vie. I will respect and abide by their decision, but it is their decision that stressed the relationship, not my decision to operate under the same set of rules for myself that I have operated under for more than 30 years. I won't allow my own government to disarm me without at least passive resistence. Why on Earth would I allow a so-called friend to?

Blues

I wouldn't be offended if someone asked me not to carry in their home. It's their right to do so and they have their reasons. Nor would I ever base a friendship on whether someone allowed me to carry in their home or not. I find it a bit hypocritical that some who belong to a group of people who're so concerned about rights (i.e. gun owners/carriers) would be so quick to take offense at others excercising their rights.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I am still curious if BC1 would prohibit firearms and post a sign at a business he was proprietor of.

 

[bootsdeal]

No, never. That's how exagerated stories begin. It's no one's business but mine, regardless of the situation or location. Carrying causes no harm to anyone or to any situation as long as it's concealed and never shown unless danger strikes.

 

[BC1]

Would you feel the same way as a business owner and prohibit firearms in your business?

Yes, no one carries in my office.

 

[BC1]

Ummm, How often does this actually happen in your home?

Never. So I guess one could say that there is no need for someone to carry in my home.