National concealed carry reciprocity act of 2017

Is this thing even alive in our current climate? What about silencers, where is that bill at?

It is a real pain driving out of state. I have to make sure I don't make a mistake with NJ and NY.
 
I agree. I live in Wis. near the Il. border. No reciprosity between the 2 states. Go into Il. a lot and have to put away my CCW.
 
I agree. I live in Wis. near the Il. border. No reciprosity between the 2 states. Go into Il. a lot and have to put away my CCW.

And you really think a federal bill that relies on its own constitutional authority to regulate (Interstate Commerce Clause) rather than on The People's God-given rights under the Bill of Rights, is going to fix that for more than one or two minutes (metaphorical "minutes")?

Careful what you wish for. You will likely get it right up one of the most sensitive orifices of the human body. The authority to regulate is the authority to control, and that is exactly what will be the end result if HR 38 passes, which it very likely eventually will, because Americans are so ignorant about the chasm-like divide between government authority and unalienable rights. This is one of the most glaring examples of where the two concepts are distilled down to one in the minds of Americans looking for government to give them permission to exercise their rights.

Rights are never given, they are only won, and government is the entity they are almost always won from. Government is never to be trusted with The People's rights, because it can't be trusted to act against its own authoritarian nature and interests. It is that authoritarian nature which informs government that The People are largely ignorant, and that it can impose its will upon their liberties without firing a shot if it makes The People believe it is doing something for them, rather than against them. Such is the reality of national reciprocity. Fail to understand that fact at your own peril.

Blues
 
These bills are a farce, and a slap in the face to the Bill of Rights.

The only permit needed is the 2nd Amendment which is the Law of the Land.

Folks who apply / purchase, concealed or otherwise, permits, or support anti-Bill of Rights legislation is merely asking strangers and bureaucrats for their permission.

This once great nation truly is turned upside down. And lobbyist such as NRA are every bit as complicit.
 
Okay I agree, but let us know how that works when you try it.

I open carry. In my state, no permit is required to open carry, so I'm letting mine go when it expires later this year. I kept it active for various reasons, like the federal 1,000 foot to schools rule, and also because of my close proximity to FL and GA where I travel to a few times each per year, but screw it. I'm done asking permission, and I haven't had to as long as I open carried in AL since 2013.

I'm letting you know that it has worked out just peachy for me, and I anticipate it working out fine going forward.

The way most people talk these days, one would think that citizens are the servants of government, instead of the other way around. Living in reality works out better than the alternative.

Blues
 
It took Congress from 1933 to 1994 to come up with the DLA(Driver's License Agreement). Only 61 years, for legislation which was nigh inevitable.
Basically, our two major parties can't agree on the color of an Orange, but you think they are just going to hammer out a Concealed Carry Reciprocity
Law in jig time?
 
It took Congress from 1933 to 1994 to come up with the DLA(Driver's License Agreement). Only 61 years, for legislation which was nigh inevitable.
Basically, our two major parties can't agree on the color of an Orange, but you think they are just going to hammer out a Concealed Carry Reciprocity
Law in jig time?

They will if we stop electing the bad half.
 
Okay I agree, but let us know how that works when you try it.

Exactly. What's legal and what's Constitutional are all too often not in agreement.

It's our responsibility as citizens to remind our elected officials when they err, and if they continue to err, then to replace them with someone less prone to err.
 
The best form of this act would be in the form of a Constitutional reaffirmation telling the states to KNOCK IT OFF.

I am usually a staunch proponent of our 9th and 10th Amendments. Sadly, most states took the 10th to mean the could "regulate" i.e. infringe in violation of the 2nd.
 
The best form of this act would be in the form of a Constitutional reaffirmation telling the states to KNOCK IT OFF.

I am usually a staunch proponent of our 9th and 10th Amendments. Sadly, most states took the 10th to mean the could "regulate" i.e. infringe in violation of the 2nd.
In the interest of fairness, if the states didn't have their 10th amendment means to exert the powers as allocated then it would be in the hands of the Feds. Some states are horrible about it and some are less horrible but all in all, you do have the freedom to reside in a state that respects the Constitution or law relative to some others. We all know what states have no respect for 2A and those that work hard to preserve it.

National Reciprocity is a Federal grab of reciprocity which is currently (and rightly) negotiated between the states. Using the Commerce Clause as a vehicle for its use, the Feds would be "giving" us freedoms we already have and by use of the same vehicle, they could take it away very quickly at some point in the future.

It's being proven right now that party nor POTUS matters on this issue. Both parties would work hard to initiate as much gun control as they could get away with given the right time and circumstances. They will use every tragedy using guns to do so. If they really cared about public safety, then I guess this past years accumulation of fatalities and injuries on AMTRAK would cause some movement besides a one day news cycle and opioid overdoses would be a priority but they're not. It's not on the agenda. It's immigration and firearms and not much else.

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If this National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act is as bad as you say it is then it should pass. Right?
 
If this National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act is as bad as you say it is then it should pass. Right?
That's a good point Ringo. It's a real load of crap but the only thing that might kill it is the media hysteria that's so prevalent right now. When SR9 was on here cheerleading it, I felt like it had a 50/50 shot. All we need is one or two new made up crises to move it forward in some middle of the night vote though. It should actually get Democrat votes in Congress because it's such a blatant tool for future gun control actions but I see both parties avoiding getting any of it on the bottom of their shoes going into midterms. I'd say it's a stuck in the mud bill with the current climate and that's a good thing IMHO.

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IF it passes, don't be surprised when states like NJ and NY all but openly defy the law, in order to make it impossible to
carry in their state. They feel like their crime -ridden hell-holes are somehow special, and you should go about unarmed
in the areas of the country with the worst crime statistics.
 
IF it passes, don't be surprised when states like NJ and NY all but openly defy the law, in order to make it impossible to
carry in their state. They feel like their crime -ridden hell-holes are somehow special, and you should go about unarmed
in the areas of the country with the worst crime statistics.
You are right and most anyone that have seen the sanctuary cities crop up and the various marijuana legislation bills at the state level understand that legally licensed citizens that CC will be threatened, harassed, and even jailed while complying with Federal laws but violating state law. It's not even a question. The burden as usual, will be on the individual citizens to prove they are innocent and absorb all costs because of dysfunctional Government.

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Welcome to the New and Improved America, where average citizens are guilty until proven innocent and the politicians and the elite are innocent until proven guilty.
 
Welcome to the New and Improved America, where average citizens are guilty until proven innocent and the politicians and the elite are innocent until proven guilty.

Let me fix this for you Ringo.

Welcome to the New and Improved America, where average citizens are guilty until proven innocent and the politicians and the elite are innocent and seldom proven guilty.
 
Let me fix this for you Ringo.

Welcome to the New and Improved America, where average citizens are guilty until proven innocent and the politicians and the elite are innocent and seldom proven guilty.
3, 2, 1.....incoming from Ops on "the candidate"...[emoji41]

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