I think the point was, the opposite of white is black, thus if there were an opposite to the KKK, they would wear black, and thus be racist also, but in reverse.
Whats your opinion on the florida shooting?
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I think the point was, the opposite of white is black, thus if there were an opposite to the KKK, they would wear black, and thus be racist also, but in reverse.
Firefighterchen
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MilShooter:293329 said:
Sorry mil, apparently I had an off day when responding to you and outlaw...never meant to call you guys out or disrespect. I only quoted you because you found the original cartoon (not photo, thanks for clarifying it for everyone). I said "their" photo (cartoon), but I wasn't very clear on my intentions, so I am sorry....
But to answer your post, yes I did understand it, and I found it ridiculously inappropriate and racist (not that you are, but whoever decided to originally draw it). I edited the cartoon to show the hypocrisy of the people such as the NBPP, Sharpton, Jackonson, Wright, etc...
Hope this clarified some
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I saw an article this morning where two audio experts have proclaimed that the voice on the tape calling for help was not Zimmerman's. This case is being tried in the media without all the facts or evidence and is doing nothing but getting the public more riled up daily. Add to that the evidence that the media puts out daily seems to go back and forth contradicting each bit of evidence to the point that unless the police have a strong case one way or the other, and I don't think it will matter either way, when the grand jury meets there is going to be rioting in the streets. If they do not hand down and indictment then we know what is going to happen. If they do then there are going to be calls for his immediate execution. This media fueled frenzy is almost enough to make one reconsider the 1A rights of the media. April 10 is going to be an exciting day and the media can't wait to cover it.
MilShooter
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Sorry mil, apparently I had an off day when responding to you and outlaw...never meant to call you guys out or disrespect. I only quoted you because you found the original cartoon (not photo, thanks for clarifying it for everyone). I said "their" photo (cartoon), but I wasn't very clear on my intentions, so I am sorry....
But to answer your post, yes I did understand it, and I found it ridiculously inappropriate and racist (not that you are, but whoever decided to originally draw it). I edited the cartoon to show the hypocrisy of the people such as the NBPP, Sharpton, Jackonson, Wright, etc...
Hope this clarified some
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Yep - I understand your point now. Like I said, I was having one of my "thick-in-the-head" days. These political "cartoonists" are talented with the pen, but their subject matter is frequently distasteful if not apalling. Thanks for clearing-up my confusion. I agree 100% with your conclusions. Thanks for explaining it to me. And let's hope I can get my brain working today.
ricardo900
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I never said he has a history of playing cop, another poster may have referred to that. There's so much media attention and people's "opinion" on the matter, we may not ever know the full extent of the story.
The Sound Experts....
Here is the Orlando Sentinel article that FN1910 is referring to, regarding the opinions of the Sound Experts, based on the testing software. (Note: the experts were hired by the Orlando Sentinel):
Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman 911 call analysis: Two forensic experts say it's not George Zimmerman crying out for help - Orlando Sentinel
Note this part in particular:
The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.
What is not reported is what percent Trayvon Martin's voice scored. However, that would require the experts' obtaining a suitable sample of Trayvon's voice, which may not be available.
Here is the Orlando Sentinel article that FN1910 is referring to, regarding the opinions of the Sound Experts, based on the testing software. (Note: the experts were hired by the Orlando Sentinel):
Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman 911 call analysis: Two forensic experts say it's not George Zimmerman crying out for help - Orlando Sentinel
Note this part in particular:
The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.
What is not reported is what percent Trayvon Martin's voice scored. However, that would require the experts' obtaining a suitable sample of Trayvon's voice, which may not be available.
SGB
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The expert you pay for usually gives you the answer you want. For every "EXPERT" that picks choice A there's another expert that will testify he's wrong and the correct choice is B. Given the Media's track record to date let's just say I'm skeptical.
Firefighterchen
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ricardo900:293532 said:
I do apologize, you are absolutely correct, it was jhodge that said it, I was wrong. I am sorry.
festus
God Bless Our Troops!!!
Bottom line is this...
We were not there.
We did not see.
We did not hear.
The Lamestream Media has already turned this thing into a circus.
People are forming opinions based on news reports and not on cold hard facts.
I say let the courts and lawyers have their say without intervention from the media.
This way the truth may have a chance.
What has happened here is a travesty of justice.
The Black panthers have placed a bounty on Zimmerman.
Al Sharpton is calling for Civil Disobedience.
Spike Lee tweeted the wrong address and forced an elderly couple to flee over safety concerns...(this has since been settled by lawyers)
NBC edited a 911 sound byte for content that painted the shooter in a much worse light.
MSNBC has had to concede that Zimmerman did have injuries to his head.
People are marching in Sanford chanting "shot in the chest we want an arrest"
The office of the president injected an opinion in the case before the facts were fully known and this has fanned the flames of racial tensions.
T-shirts are being sold in Florida with Zimmerman's picture and a horrible racial slur on them that is every bit as bad as the "N" word.
Here is my take.
We as a nation are being set up for another LA Riot scenario. The media has spun this damn thing out of control and when the SHTF, the blood shed will be on their hands. The anti's are using this as a chance to push for the repeal stand your ground laws. We must remain even more vigilant of bad situations as several violent acts have already been committed with some form of payback in mind...This is not the way we need to be...We need to Be vigilant, Be polite, and Be prepared because right now this situation is volatile at best. Let the facts be known. Let the judgement in the courts be fair....and let the chips fall where they may
We were not there.
We did not see.
We did not hear.
The Lamestream Media has already turned this thing into a circus.
People are forming opinions based on news reports and not on cold hard facts.
I say let the courts and lawyers have their say without intervention from the media.
This way the truth may have a chance.
What has happened here is a travesty of justice.
The Black panthers have placed a bounty on Zimmerman.
Al Sharpton is calling for Civil Disobedience.
Spike Lee tweeted the wrong address and forced an elderly couple to flee over safety concerns...(this has since been settled by lawyers)
NBC edited a 911 sound byte for content that painted the shooter in a much worse light.
MSNBC has had to concede that Zimmerman did have injuries to his head.
People are marching in Sanford chanting "shot in the chest we want an arrest"
The office of the president injected an opinion in the case before the facts were fully known and this has fanned the flames of racial tensions.
T-shirts are being sold in Florida with Zimmerman's picture and a horrible racial slur on them that is every bit as bad as the "N" word.
Here is my take.
We as a nation are being set up for another LA Riot scenario. The media has spun this damn thing out of control and when the SHTF, the blood shed will be on their hands. The anti's are using this as a chance to push for the repeal stand your ground laws. We must remain even more vigilant of bad situations as several violent acts have already been committed with some form of payback in mind...This is not the way we need to be...We need to Be vigilant, Be polite, and Be prepared because right now this situation is volatile at best. Let the facts be known. Let the judgement in the courts be fair....and let the chips fall where they may
Right...his HOA said he has helped investigate many crimes in their neighborhood. Not that he called and pointed them in the direction, but that he investigated. NW is to watch and report. When it's handed off, it's the police's duty and job to do the actual investigating. Dont think anyone can argue that. It was also his dad that said he always wanted to be a police officer. He got his "wish" by doing the watch as he did. Whether or not he further instigated this instance, it looks as though he had a past run of playing cop. I also never said he was charged with anything regarding playing cop.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Link please. The only thing I've read about the HOA comes from Martin's family's attorney, who is suing them. Hardly an objective source. I'd like to see a citation of an actual HOA official making such a statement. Thanks.
i'll have to find it in the morning. it was early on in this thread that it was linked and quoted.
MilShooter
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Wow, you're a tough guy to convince! (smile) In my former life, I did some work privately and for the government in financial forensic examinations (I am a CPA). Every time I asked a question and the respondent answered it, I asked for documentation. It really bothered people to be challenged. But without documentary evidence, words are just like butt-holes; everyone's got one and they generally stink.
I don't for a moment think your questions are confrontational, so keep up the good work. If memory serves me correctly, wasn't it President Reagan who said, "Trust but verify.."? He used it in negotiations with the USSR where they had an ancient proverb that went like this:
"Doveryai, no proveryai", or in Cyrillic, "Доверяй, но проверяй". Meaning, of course, the same thing. The first is a transliteration of the latter Cyrillic proverb. I've got to be honest here - I have many Russian friends who have tried to teach me various Russian phrases. My complaint is always that the Western mouth and tongue are not prepared to speak in a language better suited to the dwarves in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. Cyrilic is a real jaw-breaker.
And now we all know... you must (by my immense powers of deductive reasoning), be Russian! (GUFFAW!!!)
Keep up the good work - I like to see documentary evidence as well.
sorry...i used the wrong word from the quote...it wasnt investigate, but that he helped solve a bunch of crimes. still fits.
"He once caught a thief and an arrest was made," Cynthia Wibker, secretary of the homeowners association in the gated community where Zimmerman lives, told the Miami Herald. "He helped solve a lot of crimes."
George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin
"He once caught a thief and an arrest was made," Cynthia Wibker, secretary of the homeowners association in the gated community where Zimmerman lives, told the Miami Herald. "He helped solve a lot of crimes."
George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin
Trayvon Martin case exposes worst in media | The Cutline - Yahoo! News
i find #3 to be quite odd. family/neighborhood cover up?
i find #3 to be quite odd. family/neighborhood cover up?
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Couple of things here....
Look at the bolded words. You can't make your case without blatant exaggeration. Total fail. It sounds to me like the HOA secretary is saying that he caught someone in the act one time and an arrest was made. Big freakin' deal.
As far as "He helped solve a lot of crimes," well, duh, he called Dispatch 40-some-odd times whenever he saw something suspicious over the last 15 months or so. He called the cops, they responded and his witness statements and observations presumably did help to solve "a lot" of crimes. The term "a lot" though, is a very ambiguous phrase uttered by someone who knows Zimmerman and thinks he's getting a raw deal, and if that's the whole ball of wax of your basis for saying "he has a long history of playing cop," that, combined with your other exaggerations, inspires me to suggest, pssst, zip up your fly, your agenda is showing.
And I have to ask, is the above link the article to which you referred that you said in your last post was linked to and quoted from in this thread? If so, would you please specify the post # or quote it again? I spent a good portion of the night looking for it, and didn't find this one for sure, and also didn't find one that fit the description of what you said had already been cited "early in the thread."
So the black medical examiner, spewing the same rhetoric as Sharpton and the Obammunist about how they look at their kids and wonder how they make it through a night walking the streets of the evil white America, his evaluation of Martin's body should contradict in the public's collective mind the eye-witness who saw Trayvon Martin "beating him up" (referring to Zimmerman) and heard and saw GZ yelling to him for help? Are you freakin' serious? It's C-Friggin'-BS! They and MSLSD thrive on fomenting racial animus! It's great for business, and they found a great circus barker to further the meme when there's not one shred of evidence that George Zimmerman has a racist bone in his body! And you're either falling for it hook, line and sinker, or you share their hate-filled agenda which is just a gnat's nose hair from blowing up into nationwide riots right now. So which is it? It's obvious that the truth and/or a measured scrutiny of the known facts is not any part of your agenda.
And what does the ME say that suggests a "family/neighborhood cover up?" It's not like the family or neighborhood put a $10K bounty on the medical examiner's head to shut him up fer cryin' out loud. He said his piece and to my knowledge, hasn't received any threats for it, or even any criticism that I've seen from the "family/neighborhood." But the fact remains, his piece is total and complete conjecture based on the thinnest of circumstantial evidence, and five or six weeks after the event, it pales in comparison to the eye-witness who said his piece before 24 hours had passed after the shooting anyway.
Good grief. Just tell the truth and stop exaggerating, and this can continue to be a civil discussion about an important case that may adversely effect all gun owners/carriers in the long run. For the short-term though, siding with the same vapid, hate-filled rhetoric as Al "Tawana Brawley" Sharpton is going to garner exactly what it deserves from all fair-minded people; contempt and scorn.
Blues
#1)original posting....http://www.usacarry.com/forums/gene...r-opinion-florida-shooting-11.html#post289439
#2)NW'ers dont help "solve" anything, they report. i guess GZ's dad was wrong about his son wanting to be a cop as well?
#3)the #3 thing in the other article was pointing out the thoughts of the director on TMs injuries. i asked family/neighborhood cover up b/c if the injuries happened to GZ, there should have been injuries on TM. if the tape evidence shows the injuries to GZ and this guy is saying TM had no injuries, someone is wrong. could it be the folks down there saying the injuries to TM didnt happen when they actually did.
cmhbob
Sig fault.
There's a HUGE difference between a medical examine (one who conducts a medico-legal investigation into deaths, including autopsies) and a funeral director (one who sells funeral services, includng embalming, which helps preserve a dead body). Mr. Kurz is a funeral director. FDs in Florida are licensed professionals.
One of the things FDs do when they prep a body is see what injuries have to be covered with make-up for the viewing. FDs can work miracles with makeup; I've seen headshot suicides have open-casket funerals. If a metro-area FD says he didn't see signs of a fight on a body's hands, I'd expect hi to know what he's talking about.
good catch...didnt tie the two together from his post. ME vs FD. i knew i was tlaking about the FD.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Your link doesn't go to the OP, it goes to another post of yours containing more exaggerations and misinterpretations of still another article you linked to that apparently wasn't the one I asked you about. This is where your link goes:
Neither of those two things are stated accurately. He had an application for an injunction filed against him, to which he responded with an application for same against the applicant. Both applications were granted, no charges filed, and the only reference to domestic violence on his "record" is that original application by an ex-girlfriend.
He was not arrested for "assaulting" a cop, he was arrested and charged with "resisting arrest without violence."
Both pieces of his background are spelled out in every single link you've posted, and every time you've posted to an article, you've exaggerated what the article says about the domestic violence "charge," and multiple articles describe the resisting arrest charge accurately, yet you still amp up the rhetoric to try to make it look worse for Zimmerman than it really is. What's up with that?
Is there anything anywhere that says why he didn't become a LEO? Would it matter to you if he had applied and was rejected for, oh, I don't know, having flat feet or some other malady having nothing to do with his psychological suitability for police work? You are obviously drawing nefarious conclusions on the simple desire to get into LE. What does that make all the cops that frequent this site in your mind, or those who are working towards a career in LE, whether they agree with your take or not? Tell us what's wrong, or even the least bit unusual, with wanting to be a cop and not getting there by age 28, or applying and being rejected for as-yet unknown reasons. This ought to be good.
Your penchant for extrapolating a desire to get into LE into a deep, dark, black-hearted sheepdog character flaw is absolutely stunning. Since when is a sheepdog's heart a knock on someone? There are three basic kinds of people, using the sheepdog analogy. 1) Sheep, 2) sheepdogs, and 3) wolves. Which one do you see yourself as? Obviously not a sheepdog, as you derisively describe GZ as such. And you're knocking Zimmerman for wanting to be an active particpant in protecting his community and neighbors? Unreal.
SGB already answered this post quite efficiently when he asked:
Yet here you are linking to that post all over again. Are you new? Don't you know that it's really bad form to draw attention to one of your posts that has already been so thoroughly debunked as wildly overstated at best, and downright dishonest at worst? Link Removed
Isn't there also a widely-practiced axiom in the military that makes you duty-bound to tell the truth and conduct yourself honorably? I wonder if you could re-up if TPTB in your unit could see all the anything-but-honorable character assassination attempts you've made against GZ without being accurate or truthful in your recounting of the known facts. And "National Guard" does have kind of a sheepdog ring to it, doesn't it though. Guard of the American Way. Protector of the nation and The People. What, are you some kind of wannabe sheepdog? Link Removed
I have no idea how old you are. If you're in the Guard, there's a better than fair chance that you're pretty wet behind the ears and wouldn't remember another sheepdog-type who got his character assassinated by the same lame-stream media that's working on Zimmerman right now. If you know the name of Richard Jewell, you probably know what I'm talking about. If you don't, look it up and get some enlightenment about what can happen when the media (and its sheep-like lemmings) get their hooks into a good man who's just trying to do the right thing. Or stay unenlightened, up to you.
Good grief. If they report information that leads to an arrest and conviction, then they have helped solve the crime! Are you PWI or what?
Again, what exactly is wrong with wanting to be a cop, "as well" or otherwise?
And.....
As to the ME vs. funeral director, oops, my bad. Beyond that though, I honestly can't believe that this funeral director's conjecture about the absence of bruises on Trayvon's hands can completely discredit the eye-witness account in y'all's minds. I mean, there's nothing in the record that suggests that the witness "John" is connected to Zimmerman. What's his motivation to lie? The motivation on the FD's part is evident by the rhetoric that he spews! By accepting his conjecture and attached rhetoric, you're signing onto Sharpton's, Farrakhan's and Obama's spewage lock, stock and barrel! How is that even possible on a gun forum populated almost entirely by gun owners and gun carriers? To quote Winston Churchill, "It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma."
Welcome to Wonder Land. We are chasing each other down and through a veritable labyrinth of rabbit holes. It's the first time in history that I'm proud to be acting like a female - Alice kept asking questions and demanding answers as she tried to figure out what was reality and what was Wonder Land illusions. Y'all are clinging to your illusions as consistently as the Cheshire Cat kept smiling. It's baffling. Truly baffling.
Blues
