what do you think about zimmerman

[BC1]

I'm curious what your professional opinion is as to whether or not this has the potential to play out fairly at this point? Does it concern you that the judge announced to the world that Zimmerman *lied* about his finances, when it seems it was his wife, not him, who lied?

I agree 100% with what you say above, but I'm very skeptical of a fair trial even being possible now. What say you?

Blues

Yeah Blues, I agree. I don't think there can be a fair trial. Where does one find an impartial jury? The media has saturated America with so much misinformation. And I'd be leary of someone who said they never heard of GZ. It's destined to be another media circus. I believe the media robs society of due process.

 

[kerb]

I don't think that I said anywhere that Zimmerman started the physical part of the confrontation. Following someone is one thing. Again, I have not heard that TM yanked Zimmerman out from behind the wheel. Zimmerman was out of the car for some reason. That is my issue.

I'm sure that you and Blues have had a long detailed discussion on this, so it is stupid for you and I to do the same.

I just ask you this....knowing what of the facts that you do, what would you have done if you were walking down the street and the same situation happened to you? (assuming that TM did not physically attack Zimmerman while in his car or immediately as he exited the car, which I'm sure you wouldn't do)

If I were walking down the street in a gated neighborhood and someone asked what I was doing/where I was going, I might say, "None of your f'ing business", but I doubt I'd commence whaling the tar out of someone. Not even in my wilder years.

In my opinion, the kid made a bad choice in deciding to escalate the violence level and paid the price. Darwinism at work.

That's just my opinion.

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[wjh2657]

The problem is: no matter whether Z was right or wrong, no matter how the verdict goes, Z and his actions will eventually cost Florida their Castle Defense and probably their Concealed Carry laws. What comes out of this, regardless of the direction the trial goes, Florida within 2 more administrations of state government will no longer be the land of easy handgun carry or home defense.

 

[SGB]

The problem is: no matter whether Z was right or wrong, no matter how the verdict goes, Z and his actions will eventually cost Florida their Castle Defense and probably their Concealed Carry laws. What comes out of this, regardless of the direction the trial goes, Florida within 2 more administrations of state government will no longer be the land of easy handgun carry or home defense.

................. Hog wash.

 

[fudo]

I don't see Zimmerman as a mall ninja or "wanna be" cop. I believe that he was a guy who wanted to protect his home and aid his neighbors. I think his heart was in the right place, unfortunately, his lack of training put him woefully out of his depth. Whatever his tactical mistakes were, I believe that he was defending himself when he was attacked by Martin.

 

[Shoobee]

I don't see Zimmerman as a mall ninja or "wanna be" cop. I believe that he was a guy who wanted to protect his home and aid his neighbors. I think his heart was in the right place, unfortunately, his lack of training put him woefully out of his depth. Whatever his tactical mistakes were, I believe that he was defending himself when he was attacked by Martin.

There will need to be evidence introduced about his rumored medications.

Based on his actions he seems like a paroid schizophrenic to me.

Thus his act of homicide may be founded in his mental condition.

There is no excuse for shooting a resident.

 

[Shoobee]

The problem is: no matter whether Z was right or wrong, no matter how the verdict goes, Z and his actions will eventually cost Florida their Castle Defense and probably their Concealed Carry laws. What comes out of this, regardless of the direction the trial goes, Florida within 2 more administrations of state government will no longer be the land of easy handgun carry or home defense.

x-Gov Jeb Bush has chimed in that he does not believe Castle Doctrine pertains to Z.

And one bad apple should not spoil CCW for everyone.

 

[Shoobee]

If I were walking down the street in a gated neighborhood and someone asked what I was doing/where I was going, I might say, "None of your f'ing business", but I doubt I'd commence whaling the tar out of someone. Not even in my wilder years.

In my opinion, the kid made a bad choice in deciding to escalate the violence level and paid the price. Darwinism at work.

That's just my opinion.

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We have no idea what triggered the physical altercation.

My own reply if accosted in a similar situation would be "I live here who the fck are you ahole?"

 

[Shoobee]

Yeah Blues, I agree. I don't think there can be a fair trial. Where does one find an impartial jury? The media has saturated America with so much misinformation. And I'd be leary of someone who said they never heard of GZ. It's destined to be another media circus. I believe the media robs society of due process.

They can probably find another fair jury in Tampa like before.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I don't see Zimmerman as a mall ninja or "wanna be" cop. I believe that he was a guy who wanted to protect his home and aid his neighbors. I think his heart was in the right place, unfortunately, his lack of training put him woefully out of his depth. Whatever his tactical mistakes were, I believe that he was defending himself when he was attacked by Martin.

There will need to be evidence introduced about his rumored medications.

Based on his actions he seems like a paroid schizophrenic to me.

Thus his act of homicide may be founded in his mental condition.

There is no excuse for shooting a resident.

Still don't know how to multi quote...now with more rumor mills and diagnosis based on what medical expertise?

As for your last sentence, that is right up there with your "a loaded shotgun will blow your own face off" comment. Are you saying, as a resident of my neighborhood, I can go around and attack other residents with a knife, and they can't do anything? Because there is no excuse for shooting another resident right?

 

[stovepipe]

We have no idea what triggered the physical altercation.

My own reply if accosted in a similar situation would be "I live here who the fck are you ahole?"

Then you would more than likely be in crowbar hotel too.With your one statement that could have deescalated a tense situation you have chosen to use two words that are not only unneeded but are meant to escalate a confrontation.

Your bravado is boundless ,your intelligence is severely limited.

 

[S&W645]

................. Hog wash.

Agreed. There are many here who would be demanding the heads of those who would vote to remove those. In fact, there could be a push back to force open carry through. If TM had known GZ was armed, he might not have done what he did.

 

[stantheman1976]

I guess I have to put my foot squarely in my mouth and apologize about my earlier comment. I was under the impression that Zimmerman had left his house specifically to pursue Martin. I did not realize he was already in his car when he saw him. So I so I apologize for speaking uninformed opinions.

Wight hat said I still thin Z made mistakes. It looks as if Martin wasn't blameless in the situation but if Z hadn't left the refuge of his vehichle things may have turned out a lot differently. He should have reported what he saw and backed off. That would be the sensible thing to do. If Martin had come at him from a block away that could be much more of a justifiable self defense case.

 

[BluesStringer]

I guess I have to put my foot squarely in my mouth and apologize about my earlier comment. I was under the impression that Zimmerman had left his house specifically to pursue Martin. I did not realize he was already in his car when he saw him. So I so I apologize for speaking uninformed opinions.

Wight hat said I still thin Z made mistakes. It looks as if Martin wasn't blameless in the situation but if Z hadn't left the refuge of his vehichle things may have turned out a lot differently. He should have reported what he saw and backed off. That would be the sensible thing to do. If Martin had come at him from a block away that could be much more of a justifiable self defense case.

It's not easy to admit when you're wrong. For that you should be commended. However, after that admission, it seems you are still proceeding with facts that are not only not in evidence, but which are contradicted by the limited available evidence. I'm speaking of the recorded conversation with the non-emergency dispatch operator. Towards the end of it, you can hear that he is still walking as the operator is asking for his address. He says his address, and then says, "Oh crap, I don't want to give it out. I don't know where this kid is." Prior to that statement he had said that the subject "ran." Neither of these statements suggest that he could see Martin anymore. Martin may well have come at Zimmerman after Z lost sight of him. That's the question that has to be answered, who came at whom? There is no clear evidence in the public domain that can answer that question.

Obviously, Zimmerman's story has always been that he was jumped by Martin subsequent to losing sight of him and after he had already hung up the phone with the operator. A jury will have to decide if all the evidence is consistent with that story and whether or not it was a justifiable self defense case based on their conclusions on that specific issue. I think the ship has already sailed for the judge to make that ruling in the Stand Your Ground hearing that will happen before trial, because he has made it clear that he thinks Zimmerman is a liar, which I think is grounds for a petition to get another judge assigned to the case, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of worms. In any case, no one is justified in assuming that Zimmerman approached Martin or vice versa. That's a question for the jury to answer.

Blues

 

[Bttbbob]

My bet is, if this judge has any cajones, that this will be dismissed in the stand your ground hearing. If the judge doesn't have any cajones it will go to trial. And I think the prosecutor is trying to use Zimmermans wife to get Zimmerman to cut a deal. This is one reason you never testify ever ever ever ever.

 

[eagleeyes]

a plea bargain or trial? that is the question in this stage of the drama

 

[Shoobee]

It's not easy to admit when you're wrong. For that you should be commended. However, after that admission, it seems you are still proceeding with facts that are not only not in evidence, but which are contradicted by the limited available evidence. I'm speaking of the recorded conversation with the non-emergency dispatch operator. Towards the end of it, you can hear that he is still walking as the operator is asking for his address. He says his address, and then says, "Oh crap, I don't want to give it out. I don't know where this kid is." Prior to that statement he had said that the subject "ran." Neither of these statements suggest that he could see Martin anymore. Martin may well have come at Zimmerman after Z lost sight of him. That's the question that has to be answered, who came at whom? There is no clear evidence in the public domain that can answer that question.

Obviously, Zimmerman's story has always been that he was jumped by Martin subsequent to losing sight of him and after he had already hung up the phone with the operator. A jury will have to decide if all the evidence is consistent with that story and whether or not it was a justifiable self defense case based on their conclusions on that specific issue. I think the ship has already sailed for the judge to make that ruling in the Stand Your Ground hearing that will happen before trial, because he has made it clear that he thinks Zimmerman is a liar, which I think is grounds for a petition to get another judge assigned to the case, but that's a whole 'nother kettle of worms. In any case, no one is justified in assuming that Zimmerman approached Martin or vice versa. That's a question for the jury to answer.

Blues

They had a hard enough time finding this judge, jeeze.

They are lucky they have one at all.

No judge in his/her right mind would WANT to be on a trial as hot potato as this one.

The issue is more than just 'who came at whom' however.

There are bigger issues than that.

If it was two old codgers at a bar in a bar fight it would then be who came at whom.

But a juvenile kid was killed, and he was a resident visitor of the community, and Z was untrained and unauthorized to accost and stalk the People of Florida.

The People of Florida are now bringing him to trial for it.

 

[Shoobee]

a plea bargain or trial? that is the question in this stage of the drama

Most experts predict there will be a plea deal.

Hopefully Z will get time served plus probation.

And as a convicted felon then Z will never own or carry a gun again.

And that is a good thing.

 

[eagleeyes]

why is that a good thing?? if he was a murderer i could see it shoobee but i don't think zim is a murderer but rather a ccwp holder who lawfully used deadly force to protect his head from getting smashed in and or threatened to where he feared his life ......that the courts will have to decide i just hope bribes and bs aren't going to determine his outcome

 

[Bttbbob]

Most experts predict there will be a plea deal.

Hopefully Z will get time served plus probation.

And as a convicted felon then Z will never own or carry a gun again.

And that is a good thing.

Be very carefull what you hope for my friend. You may be in a position where you are attacked by a strong teenager and have to use your gun in self defense. What the news has failed to tell you is that at the same time this happened there were two teenagers charged and found guilty of murder here in Florida. Let me give you the cases.

www.news4jax.com/news/local-florida-​news/Teen-convicted

Florida teen guilty of murdering 2 British tourists

One was 16 when he killed the cop. So don't tell me you would not use your gun to defend yourself. Please look at the dates on these two guity verdicts. Same time frame as the Zimmerman/Martin case.

The Zimmerman case could very well be the case they use as presedence for your trial if you ever have to use your gun in self defense. Being stupid doesn't make you guilty of murder or even manslaughter.

Again, be careful what you wish for, you may get it.