The trial of George Zimmerman

[The_Outlaw]

*Judge "Walks Out" On Zimmerman's Defense Team*

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God forbid that she might miss out on a little bit of beauty sleep or the latest episode of Housewives of New Jersey....

We are only talking about a man's life, freedom, family & future hanging in the balance!

I would not trust this asinine judge to properly flip my burger at McDonald's, let alone rule in a case like this one.

 

[BC1]

Howdy,

Di Maio is a paid "expert" witness. When you pay them they give you the respite you want.

They teach that in like Day 1 of law school.

Paul

The good doctor charged $2,400. That's less than the average expert witness in a medical mal case.

 

[BC1]

Thanks man. I found another one that includes that segment, but it also shows more of the arguments leading up to Nelson's hissy fit. In this 16 minute clip, West reveals all the malfeasance going on by the prosecution over discovery issues, and the bin file seems to be at the heart of it.

Also this morning comes news from several sources that Tracy Martin (dad) and Trayvon have text message exchanges in that bin file discussing buying and selling guns. I haven't seen any transcripts yet, so I am withholding judgment at this point, because if Tracy is just talking about himself buying and selling with his 17 year old son, that doesn't seem significant to me. But if Tracy is discussing how Trayvon could go about acquiring a gun, or talking about how Trayvon could have a little black market enterprise buying and selling on the streets, to me, the defense should be able to show Martin's propensity for criminal and potentially violent behavior. Anyway, check out the link and decide for yourselves.

Blues

The court determined the texts will be inadmissible. That's too bad because they show TM's state of mind.

 

[BC1]

*Judge "Walks Out" On Zimmerman's Defense Team*

Link Removed

God forbid that she might miss out on a little bit of beauty sleep or the latest episode of Housewives of New Jersey....

We are only talking about a man's life, freedom, family & future hanging in the balance!

I would not trust this asinine judge to properly flip my burger at McDonald's, let alone rule in a case like this one.

Beauty sleep? She looks like forty miles of bad road. She could sleep like Rip Van Winkle and it wouldn't help. I heard she walked through the jail with a pocket-full-o-pardons and didn't get a look.

 

[BluesStringer]

The court determined the texts will be inadmissible. That's too bad because they show TM's state of mind.

Agree completely. Her rationale for excluding the evidence had nothing to do with relevance, but with authenticating the texts as those of Tryavon, her assertion being that "...even a 7-year-old could get through that security software. It happens all the time!" West's response? "It took FDLE almost a year to get through it!" Did you watch the end-of-session video I linked to? It's all there. But I've got a theory about what this is really all about....

West got exasperated as he realized she was close to sustaining the prosecution's objection to admissibility, and started putting on the open record all the malfeasance they have engaged in surrounding discovery of the bin file. Instead of ruling then while tempers were flaring, Nelson simply recessed and walked out as West was still speaking, as were most everyone else in the room at that point. Then she comes in this morning and, without further argument (which West was never informed were over, nor did he ever acknowledge as being complete), she sustains the objection on the grounds that admissibility was controlled by some code section that was part of West's proffer, but she completely ignored West's argument(s) that included both Florida and US Supreme Court rulings that were very on-point in this amateur observer's opinion. When he demanded that she rule on those citations, she just cavalierly stated that the objection was sustained even in light of the rulings West was referring to. The end.

Now, if Zimmerman is convicted, that ruling right there is going to be grounds for reversal I think, but that's not really relevant because the judge and everybody else likely sees a short deliberation and acquittal coming down the pike. So what's up with Nelson not even addressing the FL and US SC rulings before tossing them? Simple. Her job at this point isn't to achieve "justice" for anybody. Her job is to do what she can to save face for the state of Florida. She shut 'em down last night right as the state's misconduct was being brought to light in public for the first time, and she shut down further arguments immediately upon taking the bench this morning, knowing that West would've just picked up where he left off. The defense didn't get that bin file until June 4, six months after the FDLE had cracked the security software that Trayvon had to actively install, learn how to use, and remain adherent to using in order to hide the thousands of files that were hidden within it. Defense hasn't had time to depose those who cracked the security, or to adequately prepare their own witness(es) to testify on their relevance, and there are tons of presumably relevant files in there, at least on the state of mind issue you alluded to, BC, but also on the MMA training/fighting issue. He had the ability to overpower the older, bigger guy, and those texts, and maybe the pictures to, shows evidence of that, if not proving it outright.

Nelson has either chosen sides herself, or been pressured by anyone from Angela Corey to Eric Holder to Barack Hussein Obama. If that isn't a judge with a fire-breathing dragon breathing down her neck, then she's in the throes of the worst menopausal departure from reality in the history of history!

She should be disbarred for the way she has conducted this trial.

Blues

 

[S&W645]

Agree completely. Her rationale for excluding the evidence had nothing to do with relevance, but with authenticating the texts as those of Tryavon, her assertion being that "...even a 7-year-old could get through that security software. It happens all the time!" West's response? "It took FDLE almost a year to get through it!" Did you watch the end-of-session video I linked to? It's all there. But I've got a theory about what this is really all about....

West got exasperated as he realized she was close to sustaining the prosecution's objection to admissibility, and started putting on the open record all the malfeasance they have engaged in surrounding discovery of the bin file. Instead of ruling then while tempers were flaring, Nelson simply recessed and walked out as West was still speaking, as were most everyone else in the room at that point. Then she comes in this morning and, without further argument (which West was never informed were over, nor did he ever acknowledge as being complete), she sustains the objection on the grounds that admissibility was controlled by some code section that was part of West's proffer, but she completely ignored West's argument(s) that included both Florida and US Supreme Court rulings that were very on-point in this amateur observer's opinion. When he demanded that she rule on those citations, she just cavalierly stated that the objection was sustained even in light of the rulings West was referring to. The end.

Now, if Zimmerman is convicted, that ruling right there is going to be grounds for reversal I think, but that's not really relevant because the judge and everybody else likely sees a short deliberation and acquittal coming down the pike. So what's up with Nelson not even addressing the FL and US SC rulings before tossing them? Simple. Her job at this point isn't to achieve "justice" for anybody. Her job is to do what she can to save face for the state of Florida. She shut 'em down last night right as the state's misconduct was being brought to light in public for the first time, and she shut down further arguments immediately upon taking the bench this morning, knowing that West would've just picked up where he left off. The defense didn't get that bin file until June 4, six months after the FDLE had cracked the security software that Trayvon had to actively install, learn how to use, and remain adherent to using in order to hide the thousands of files that were hidden within it. Defense hasn't had time to depose those who cracked the security, or to adequately prepare their own witness(es) to testify on their relevance, and there are tons of presumably relevant files in there, at least on the state of mind issue you alluded to, BC, but also on the MMA training/fighting issue. He had the ability to overpower the older, bigger guy, and those texts, and maybe the pictures to, shows evidence of that, if not proving it outright.

Nelson has either chosen sides herself, or been pressured by anyone from Angela Corey to Eric Holder to Barack Hussein Obama. If that isn't a judge with a fire-breathing dragon breathing down her neck, then she's in the throes of the worst menopausal departure from reality in the history of history!

She should be disbarred for the way she has conducted this trial.

Blues

The judge's concern right now is how she can drag it out till Friday. That way when the jury aquits Zimmerman, the rioters will stay indoors due to Tropical Depression Chantal's rain.

 

[BC1]

Her rationale for excluding the evidence had nothing to do with relevance, but with authenticating the texts as those of Tryavon, her assertion being that "...even a 7-year-old could get through that security software. It happens all the time!" West's response? "It took FDLE almost a year to get through it!" Did you watch the end-of-session video I linked to? It's all there. But I've got a theory about what this is really all about....

Now, if Zimmerman is convicted, that ruling right there is going to be grounds for reversal I think, but that's not really relevant because the judge and everybody else likely sees a short deliberation and acquittal coming down the pike. So what's up with Nelson not even addressing the FL and US SC rulings before tossing them? Simple. Her job at this point isn't to achieve "justice" for anybody. Her job is to do what she can to save face for the state of Florida. She shut 'em down last night right as the state's misconduct was being brought to light in public for the first time, and she shut down further arguments immediately upon taking the bench this morning, knowing that West would've just picked up where he left off. The defense didn't get that bin file until June 4, six months after the FDLE had cracked the security software that Trayvon had to actively install, learn how to use, and remain adherent to using in order to hide the thousands of files that were hidden within it. Defense hasn't had time to depose those who cracked the security, or to adequately prepare their own witness(es) to testify on their relevance, and there are tons of presumably relevant files in there, at least on the state of mind issue you alluded to, BC, but also on the MMA training/fighting issue. He had the ability to overpower the older, bigger guy, and those texts, and maybe the pictures to, shows evidence of that, if not proving it outright.

Just watching the pundits say exactly the same thing. Apparently there is case-law whereby the judge cannot impose physical hardship and extremely long hours on a legal team as well. Regarding the phone records it would seem to me they should be relevant unless someone has evidence that a person other than Martin texted from his phone. The judge is considering them hearsay but I'm not so sure that holds water. The jury should be allowed to consider the texts and that they are those of Martin without evidence to the contrary.

 

[Gettysburg Bill]

WILL HE TAKE THE STAND??
If he takes the stand, his level of intelligence, tells me, he would never pass a test for a firearms permit of any kind.
Unless some powerful information comes up, he is walking.

As for riots: The truth does not matter to these people. Weather he is guily or not they want him found guilty.
Rioting because they do not get the verdict they want--- We have now become a third world country, being run by some
War Lords from a back room.

He his not taking the stand.

 

[Gallstones]

Do I understand correctly, the jury heard Connor's testimony and knows there are a bunch of password protected texts and photos on Martin's phone but they don't get to know what any of those photos are or what the messages say?

 

[SR40c]

When it comes to grasping at straws and outright desperation, not sure who is more annoying, the Prosecution or the media shills.

 

[nogods]

If the judge does not give the jury instructions on the manslaughter alternative, then I believe the jury will return a not guilty verdict by Friday evening if they get the case by Thursday afternoon.

 

[Bigcarlover]

The judge's concern right now is how she can drag it out till Friday. That way when the jury aquits Zimmerman, the rioters will stay indoors due to Tropical Depression Chantal's rain.

That's actually brilliant!

 

[MrXtramean]

I find it interesting that by my comments I'm profiled. Interesting how people insert "pictures" into others minds as to sway their judgement. It seems that this whole case is coming to an end. It must be nice to listen to "professionally paid" witnesses, hear how bad or good and person is/was, but all that really matters is what we know. Not what GZ said. Not what any person assumed a series of events happened, i.e. attorneys. Only the facts. The 911 call from GZ. The girlfriends phone call. The 911 calls from those that night in the neighborhood and the testimony of the people who "ACTUALLY" saw anything that happened that night. That's it.

GZ could tell you whatever he wants, but it's all hear-say unless someone else could collaborate the events.

The police report, "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely, if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern," the report says. "There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter."

Any CHL/CCW holder should first verbalize to diffuse a situation. Even if GZ hadn't gone looking for TM, he should have loudly expressed so others around him (in row houses) might witness. Also, the loud verbal training, "Stop! I have a gun and I will use it!" could have diffused the whole mess. And please don't tell me that GZ didn't know he was carrying and loaded gun as he states. That's BS. Carrying a loaded gun should always be your first concern, especially when you (GZ) put himself into a position he shouldn't have been. Knowingly looking for trouble.

The topic of this forum is "Deadly Force and the Law". Deadly force is only acceptable if your life or others is at risk. I can put my life at risk everyday by walking late night into "certain" parts of town. I can go looking for trouble. But by doing this, what is my purpose (motive) and what is my intention by drawing this type of attention to myself. This will be my last comment on this subject. There's simple too much talk and too many things not related to the case. I hope the jury understand this and I hope they make the right judgement.

 

[SR40c]

I find it interesting that by my comments I'm profiled. Interesting how people insert "pictures" into others minds as to sway their judgement. It seems that this whole case is coming to an end. It must be nice to listen to "professionally paid" witnesses, hear how bad or good and person is/was, but all that really matters is what we know. Not what GZ said. Not what any person assumed a series of events happened, i.e. attorneys. Only the facts. The 911 call from GZ. The girlfriends phone call. The 911 calls from those that night in the neighborhood and the testimony of the people who "ACTUALLY" saw anything that happened that night. That's it.

GZ could tell you whatever he wants, but it's all hear-say unless someone else could collaborate the events.

The police report, "The encounter between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin was ultimately avoidable by Zimmerman, if Zimmerman had remained in his vehicle and awaited the arrival of law enforcement, or conversely, if he had identified himself to Martin as a concerned citizen and initiated dialog in an effort to dispel each party's concern," the report says. "There is no indication that Trayvon Martin was involved in any criminal activity at the time of the encounter."

Any CHL/CCW holder should first verbalize to diffuse a situation. Even if GZ hadn't gone looking for TM, he should have loudly expressed so others around him (in row houses) might witness. Also, the loud verbal training, "Stop! I have a gun and I will use it!" could have diffused the whole mess. And please don't tell me that GZ didn't know he was carrying and loaded gun as he states. That's BS. Carrying a loaded gun should always be your first concern, especially when you (GZ) put himself into a position he shouldn't have been. Knowingly looking for trouble.

The topic of this forum is "Deadly Force and the Law". Deadly force is only acceptable if your life or others is at risk. I can put my life at risk everyday by walking late night into "certain" parts of town. I can go looking for trouble. But by doing this, what is my purpose (motive) and what is my intention by drawing this type of attention to myself. This will be my last comment on this subject. There's simple too much talk and too many things not related to the case. I hope the jury understand this and I hope they make the right judgement.

They will. He will be acquitted. A guilty verdict of any kind would be pure political persecution.

 

[BluesStringer]

Do I understand correctly, the jury heard Connor's testimony and knows there are a bunch of password protected texts and photos on Martin's phone but they don't get to know what any of those photos are or what the messages say?

No, I don't believe Conner ever got in front of the jury, or if he did, it was for a very short time before they went into his testimony outside the presence of the jury after a state objection. They were still out when the judge ruled the texts and other cell phone evidence inadmissible this morning.

Blues

 

[BC1]

Deadly force is only acceptable if your life or others is at risk.

I understand your position that GZ put himself into a situation. If stupidity were a crime he'd get life. But it's not. And under FL law deadly force is acceptable to prevent a felony against you.
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Here's some statutes for everyone to pick apart...
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782.02 Justifiable use of deadly force. The use of deadly force is justifiable when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or her or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person shall be.
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782.03 Excusable homicide. Homicide is excusable when committed by accident and misfortune in doing any lawful act by lawful means with usual ordinary caution, and without any unlawful intent, or by accident and misfortune in the heat of passion, upon any sudden and sufficient provocation, or upon a sudden combat, without any dangerous weapon being used and not done in a cruel or unusual manner.
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782.04 Murder.
(1)(a) The unlawful killing of a human being:
(2) The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
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782.07 Manslaughter.
(1) The killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification according to the provisions of chapter 776 and in cases in which such killing shall not be excusable homicide or murder, according to the provisions of this chapter, is manslaughter, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

 

[S&W645]

Do I understand correctly, the jury heard Connor's testimony and knows there are a bunch of password protected texts and photos on Martin's phone but they don't get to know what any of those photos are or what the messages say?

Yep. Been there and done that on a restraining order in a case. Judge, prosecutor, defense attorney agreed to not tell if there was one. But yet other paperwork was alluded too.

 

[BC1]

The truth is in the details. My wife and I were talking about this case today and we came to a revelation.
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TM's friend, Rachel Jeantel, was on the phone with him just as the incident unfolded. She said she heard GZ speak first, asking "what are you doing here" and TM respond with the question "why are you following me" and then "get off." Let's think about these statements for second. I believe she has the statements correct... only in the wrong order. The language makes no sense... there's no flow... it's not a logical response to the question. So if we reverse the order we have something that fits GZ's story perfectly. Consider if TM looped around and popped out as GZ claims. Now, the guy pops out and asks "why are you following me" whereby GZ answers by asking "what are you doing here." And no one says "get off." She adds that on her own to benefit TM.
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Think about those two statements and the order. It makes sense only when reversed from what Rachel Jeantel claims. Her English no-looka-too-good. Definitely problems with language expression. She speaks a "slang" that's almost a different language. Since her ability to tell the story is clearly impaired (at best) I would have to discount her testimony. It leaves doubt.

 

[BluesStringer]

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The topic of this forum is "Deadly Force and the Law". Deadly force is only acceptable if your life or others is at risk.

Absolutely misstates the law in Florida. You, as a defensive shooter, do not have to prove that your life or others' lives were at risk after the fact of a shooting, you have to show evidence that you had a reasonable belief that your life or others' lives were at risk. If there is any evidence that the self defense claim is valid, such as eye-witness testimony, injuries, sound and/or video recordings etc., you, as a defensive shooter, don't have to prove anything, because the burden shifts to the state to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that your self defense claim doesn't stand up to legal scrutiny. That is for a jury to decide, and that is precisely what they will begin deciding sometime Friday or the following Monday.

There is eye-witness testimony, audio evidence and injuries to Zimmerman documented and on the record in this case. You cite the title of the forum that we're in, but ignore the title of the thread as it applies (appropriately) to this sub-forum. This is the Zimmerman trial we are discussing, and the record is what it is, and the law is what it is, and the jury will determine the facts based on that record and that law, period.

Maybe if you quit misstating the law, you will stop being profiled as whatever you feel you've been profiled as.

I can put my life at risk everyday by walking late night into "certain" parts of town. I can go looking for trouble. But by doing this, what is my purpose (motive) and what is my intention by drawing this type of attention to myself.

It's your hypothetical, so you tell us what your motive and intentions are. Unless it's illegal in your jurisdiction to simply walk through that "'certain' part of town" (whatever that's meant to imply) though, if you get attacked, no matter how bad that part of town may be, you have the right to defend yourself with adequate force to stop the attack. That's true in even the most gun-restrictive jurisdictions in the nation, even if minor caveats and qualifications may apply in some of them.

This will be my last comment on this subject. There's simple too much talk and too many things not related to the case.

Wow! Did you just say that out loud??? HAHAHAHAHA! I haven't seen you state anything close to an accurate understanding of the law in Florida, which means all that motive and intentions stuff is among the "too many things not related to the case." A self defense case's motives and intentions are inherent in putting forth the defense - to save one's own life! And the state has to prove those perfectly legal intentions and motives are improperly being claimed.

I hope the jury understand this and I hope they make the right judgement.

I'll defer to SR40c's answer on this "point," and then ask him, Bro, what the heck is with that new avatar??? LOL

Blues

 

[BC1]

I'll defer to SR40c's answer on this "point," and then ask him, Bro, what the heck is with that new avatar??? LOL

Blues

I know. That's some funny sh-t.