The Open Carry Argument

[Rhino]

*Begin trolling*

As opposed to the 452,178,544,564 threads that have been posted on this topic since 2009?
What are your views on admitting to a LEO you're carrying if it's a non-notify state?
What's the best caliber to use? Is .380 too small?
How do you feel about Obama?

*Trolling over*

You forgot "What's the best holster?", "What's the best carry gun?", "Is single action better than a double action?", "Should I carry with a round chambered?", "Is the 1911 outdated?", "is the Glock really dangerous?"......... The list goes on and on.

 

[NotTwoShure]

You forgot "What's the best holster?", "What's the best carry gun?", "Is single action better than a double action?", "Should I carry with a round chambered?", "Is the 1911 outdated?", "is the Glock really dangerous?"......... The list goes on and on.

For open carry the three size of 1911's are great, never out of date. Glocks are great also, so, time and place, weather, hot, cold, Tshirt or overcoat. I have no idea what a Glock would be dangerous, maybe due to owner error. Kimber Ultra, Eclipse and Custome, Mo. 22 in gen 3 and 4. What I carry.

 

[Firefighterchen]

*Begin trolling*

As opposed to the 452,178,544,564 threads that have been posted on this topic since 2009?
What are your views on admitting to a LEO you're carrying if it's a non-notify state?
What's the best caliber to use? Is .380 too small?
How do you feel about Obama?

*Trolling over*

Would you rather a new open carry thread be started, to make that 452,178,544,565 times? One that will undoubtedly have a link to this thread? ....didn't think so...

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[Rhino]

For open carry the three size of 1911's are great, never out of date. Glocks are great also, so, time and place, weather, hot, cold, Tshirt or overcoat. I have no idea what a Glock would be dangerous, maybe due to owner error. Kimber Ultra, Eclipse and Custome, Mo. 22 in gen 3 and 4. What I carry.

Wasn't trying to restart the debates. I was just pointing out additional topics that people continuously start new threads on despite numerous marathon threads being created on those same topics before.

 

[golddigger14s]

Uh, somebody didn't catch the reference was not talking about a book. (About soap on a rope)

 

[Bikenut]

*Begin trolling*

As opposed to the 452,178,544,564 threads that have been posted on this topic since 2009?
What are your views on admitting to a LEO you're carrying if it's a non-notify state?
What's the best caliber to use? Is .380 too small?
How do you feel about Obama?

*Trolling over*

I understand your perspective since I get tired of having to dispel the same old myths over and over and over.... but please consider that no matter how many threads there are about topics that have been discussed ad nauseum ... there will always be a first time brand new gun owner/carrier that will benefit from reading that stuff.

 

[jfisch]

I understand your perspective since I get tired of having to dispel the same old myths over and over and over.... but please consider that no matter how many threads there are about topics that have been discussed ad nauseum ... there will always be a first time brand new gun owner/carrier that will benefit from reading that stuff.

If you truly understood trolling you would have caught on that my post was satire.

 

[Bikenut]

If you truly understood trolling you would have caught on that my post was satire.

I understood your earlier post quite well... and I understand the nature of your post I quoted above also.

Your other post was useful as a way to present the idea that no matter how many threads there are about the same old topics those threads can be beneficial to new folks.

Your most recent post I quoted above is not so useful.

 

[Mainsail]

How/why is this 4 year old thread still alive?

In the conclusion of the essay, I challenge the opponents of OC:

No, open carry is not the be-all-end-all of self defense any more than concealed carry is. The purpose of this essay is not to convince you to carry a firearm openly, but to merely point out the reasoning I used to determine that it is often the best option for me. If you think otherwise, please feel free to write an essay of your own outlining the reasoning you used. I would suggest that you avoid the intellectual mistake of emphasizing rare or unlikely defense scenarios that many of us will never experience.

In all the years since, nobody has taken me up on the challenge. This means (to me) that either the anti-OC crowd cannot compose an essay or they have no rational argument.

 

[Mainsail]

Books of that title?? :haha: :lol: :laugh:

D'oh! I thought it was a book title!

Color me red...

:tongue:

 

[NotTwoShure]

This will not be popular for people who believe in open carry, but I think the only persons who should be open carrying a firearm are law enforcement, and licensed security officers. When anyone else carries a firearm openly I strongly suspect there has been no background check done on them. Carrying a firearm openly, outside of being in uniform or displaying a badge, scares people. I see no reason to carry a firearm openly unless you fall into one of the groups I mentioned. If you want to carry a firearm, get a concealed carry permit. When I see people in plain clothes, carrying a firearm openly, I have no idea who they are. Neither does the public, which explains why it scares them. I would prefer if a citizen wants to carry a firearm, that they get a concealed carry permit.

In Arizona the police are not affraid of the folks that open carry, they are affraid of the ones in the gang-bangers droopy drawers and it is not nor has it ever been an issue in the 101 years of Arizona history, but we are pretty good about not killing one another.

 

[Ringo]

This will not be popular for people who believe in open carry, but I think the only persons who should be open carrying a firearm are law enforcement, and licensed security officers. When anyone else carries a firearm openly I strongly suspect there has been no background check done on them. Carrying a firearm openly, outside of being in uniform or displaying a badge, scares people. I see no reason to carry a firearm openly unless you fall into one of the groups I mentioned. If you want to carry a firearm, get a concealed carry permit. When I see people in plain clothes, carrying a firearm openly, I have no idea who they are. Neither does the public, which explains why it scares them. I would prefer if a citizen wants to carry a firearm, that they get a concealed carry permit.

Howdy from Arizona.

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[NotTwoShure]

Howdy from Arizona.

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Pre-fer people not open carry? Not a sworn officer's call nor should we care about how they FEEL, it is an Arizona RIGHT and one that does not turn Arizona folks heads other than wish I had a CDP II, but that is when I show off.

 

[AzBanks]

Pre-fer people not open carry? Not a sworn officer's call nor should we care about how they FEEL, it is an Arizona RIGHT and one that does not turn Arizona folks heads other than wish I had a CDP II, but that is when I show off.

+1

I don't see anything in the constitution about someone's hurt feelings trumping our rights. Feelings by their very nature are illogical. Why does so much of our population think that feelings should be used in any way to set policy, laws, or anything related to the rights of others?

 

[jdamon]

For me, open carrying is someone that should be done to help 'spread the word' about the acceptability of using guns for defense and showing that those who do so are not bad people. More a PR thing than a deterrent thing. (I'm 6'4" and 220lbs so deterrent is something I've never needed).

 

[Gunluvr]

I guess the difference is I educated myself on the laws by looking them up myself instead of going by what everyone else says. It provided me the confidence to OC without concern for the legality of it. It also provided me the confidence to stand up to a LEO who tried to criminalize my OC once.

As for what other people think, I really don't care. I lost respect for the opinion of the public at large a long time ago, you know, back in school. The way I looked at it from the start was if they are scared, let them be, it's not my problem. If they can't reason it out by realizing that a criminal doesn't stand patiently in line with his sidearm in full view, then I guess they'll figure it out once I walk out the door and no one got shot.

Some say, "Oh we should be concerned, because if enough of them are scared then it'll ruin it for the rest of us." Let me be the first to say that's bull, 90% of the people out there are too concerned about the next episode of their favorite TV show or what they're doing that weekend to care about phoning legislators or trying to start bills to outlaw something that has been a part of my particular state's constitution and heritage far longer than anyone who's reading this has been alive. Good luck with that.

My point of the original post was that it is your right and if you act scared to exercise it, if you allow public opinion to deter you, then you leave it open to be taken away. If you are timid about OCing, then you will probably be timid about using it when the time comes and that will cost you your life.

My sentiments exactly. Most people could care less about guns than they do about their favorite TV show and having a full stomach(Unfortunately I have family members who fall in to this category) and only start crying and bitching about a perceived slight by police officers when it happens to them. As I approach middle age(46) I don't really care what the "public" thinks or cares about me openly carrying my weapons; It is a Constitutional right given by God and only he can revoke it.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Bump to the top...

 

[Mainsail]

Here's an article that appears to have a few 'borrowed' lines.....

The Pro Liberty Choice: Dispelling The Myths Of Open Carry | The Daily Caller

 

[NavyLCDR]

The dumbest comment to the article:

The one issue not addressed here is that open carry provides camouflage for "bad guys" or terrorists. If "goods guys" can open carry, so can "bad guys." So-called "bad guys" no longer need to fear questioning by police as the survey a firing position. If the attack is by muliple terrorists they can openly meet, plan their attack, and disperse to set up cross firing positions.

What a moron.

 

[SR9]

Maybe the question here should be, why do you prefer to open carry as oppose to concealed carry? Is it because you can't qualify for a CC permit, your state or local does not have a lawful CC permit, or you can't afford to get a CC permit? I often wonder why a person choses to open carry as opposed to concealed? Is it a cost thing or what? I live in a state were both are legal, so I wonder why people do what thy do? Your answer is.........?