I am not disagreeing with the fact that "restaurant carry" is an issue in SC but I came from L.I. NY and have many friends wanting permits and never got them never less the "IN VALID" restrictions they put on them. I also know some with "LIFE" permits who should have lost them years ago.
Can you just walk into a gun store and purchase a handgun without a permit?
Can you carry in your car, home, or to the range without a permit?
Can you do a private sale?
Can you purchase a gun even with a permit before getting "PERMISSION"?
Can you carry in many other states with your permit?
Do you have a "Castle Doctrine"?
Permit or not will you be proned if your gun is noticed?
Are there restricted cities (NYC)? Probably never need a gun there.
Is your gun REGISTERED?
Can you legally let someone use your gun at a range or competition?
Even if wife has a permit she must list your gun to be able to legally use.
Are you "SHALL ISSUE" or restricted to the whim of county officials?
Are your neighbors contacted to see if you should have a gun?
Yeah but you can carry in a restaurant that sells alcohol. BTW . . . concealed means CONCEALED!
I'll take them point by point...
I don't want anyone walking into a gun store and buying a handgun without a permit. Not everyone should own a handgun. I've been shot by a student with 29 years experience as an armed guard. Bleed a little bit and your opinions will change. I want everyone to be subject to a background check and be required to a obtain a permit.
Yes I can do a private sale through a FFL holder.
I don't need permission to purchase a new gun. The judge only oversees that the proper registration occurred. I have never seen, in 17 years of providing services, a judge deny a new handgun to an existing permit holder without revoking said permit for cause.
Carrying in other states is not a NY issue. It is regulated entirely by other states.
Castle dotrine? Yes, it's alive and well in NYS. This is an area I know very well as I teach the NYS Penal Law. We also have an attorney on staff. NYS Penal Article 35 (Defense of Justification) allows for the use of deadly physical force against anyone who breaks into your home without any duty to retreat. No one in NY case law has been convicted of shooting a burglar who broke into their home. It also allows the use of deadly physical force against anyone who poses a serious threat to safety, life and limb against you or any person you defend. Such defense is predicated on the assumption you are unable to retreat either due to the surprise of an attack, an inability to retreat safely or made an unsuccessful attempt to retreat. You may stand your ground when attacked in these situations.
I don't know anyone who has ever been proned for carrying a gun. I believe open carry to be the most ludicrous, stupid and bad tactic anyone could employ. It's recipe for trouble everywhere, even in states where it's legal. The web is chock full of people who are arrested for this all over America. It's not a NY issue.
S265.20 of the NYS Penal Law provides an exemption from criminal charges against others who shoot your gun at a range or competition. In addition, out of state residents may bring their gun into NYS for training or competition and are also exempt from criminal charges under S265.20.
Article 265 prevents the criminal prosecution of any resident of your home when using an illegal gun in self defense.
Shall-issue states all reserve the right to deny when any matter of public safety is raised. No different than NY. For example, people in PA have lost permits on the opinion of a sheriff, based entirely upon the heresay of others, even without any charges. This has been widely documented.
Your neighbors in NYS are generally not contacted to see if you should have a gun. Over 1,700 permits and his has never happened to any of our clients.
Concealed? Damn right! The best tactic you'll ever forget. We teach SSS (STEALTH, SURPRISE, SKILL). Never show your enemy your defensive strategy. Been teaching tactical classes for 17 years. I've been taught this at the best schools in America, including the Lethal Force Institute (Mas Ayoob).
Residents of Westchester, Nassau and Suffolk deal with a different set of laws than thes rest of us. Your real issue lies with these counties and the cities of Albany, Rochester and NYC. Remember, NYC and Long Island comprise half of the entire state population... NYC with 10 million residents on a 4 X 12 mile island. To those upstate, NYC and Long Island are considered a separate country of foreigners and liberals. We want nothing to do with them.
Can't argue with the number of USA Carry members who obtained unrestricted CCW permits through our services.
Good points in NY:
1. License good for life.
2. No trainig requirement. No qualifying requirement.
3. No restritions on carry in bars, restaurants, churches, hospitals, public transportation. We rarely see the applicant's references checked.
4. No requirement to notify LEO of possession of a gun.