NRA Members???

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I'll jump in here. In my (Morgan) county in Alabama, it is simply a matter of filling out the application, your name gets run through the NICs, you pay your $20 annual fee and they print you a pistol license then and there. The entire process takes about 15 minutes.

I didn't see this before hitting "Submit Reply" on my last post, but not only is John correct, but his post identifies us as neighbors, so howdy neighbor! I'm right on the Limestone/Madison county line, and if I drive about 10 or 12 miles, I'm in Morgan County. When we first moved here, we lived and built our business in Cullman, so we've always been Morgan neighbors as long as we've been here. When it's just me and my wife, we go to Swan Creek to shoot. If we're getting together with friends, we go down to Oneonta to a friend's acreage.

Anyway, just thought I'd acknowledge a neighbor.
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Blues
 
I didn't see this before hitting "Submit Reply" on my last post, but not only is John correct, but his post identifies us as neighbors, so howdy neighbor! I'm right on the Limestone/Madison county line, and if I drive about 10 or 12 miles, I'm in Morgan County. When we first moved here, we lived and built our business in Cullman, so we've always been Morgan neighbors as long as we've been here. When it's just me and my wife, we go to Swan Creek to shoot. If we're getting together with friends, we go down to Oneonta to a friend's acreage.

Anyway, just thought I'd acknowledge a neighbor.

Blues

Didn't I read that you moved here from California? Even more interesting is I, too, moved here from California! Born and raised in the SFBA! Fremont, to be specific.
 
Didn't I read that you moved here from California? Even more interesting is I, too, moved here from California! Born and raised in the SFBA! Fremont, to be specific.

Yep, grew up in Redondo Beach. I tried to escape several times before it finally "took" after moving here. I knew as a youngin' that at some point, I would say, "California is a great place to be from." Pretty much how I feel about it still. Great scenery and geography, even the people are generally cool with me, but the government is just too much. We left about a month after the Rodney King riots died down. Never really looked back. Been home ever since.

So how long have you been listening to the question, "Y'all ain't from 'round heuh, are ya?" LOL Been 21 years for us.

Blues
 
Say what you will, when you will, but the NRA-ILA has sent emails of upcoming pro-gun legislation Bills that I was able to write all my representatives about in time to have my voice heard. If it hadn't been for them, I wouldn't have even known about the legislation, without some sidetracked time consuming digging.

While I don't agree with the NRA on a number of fronts, I feel I get my buck's worth at the end of the day.
 
It's easy to get frustrated with all that's going on right now. It's also easy to lose sight of what is happening behind the scenes in Washington. Much of what the NRA or any other gun lobby can do has already been done. Hardly a day goes by that I don't hear about moderate democrats scared to vote for new gun restrictions for fear of what the NRA will do to them in their next election. That isn't something the NRA CAN do. It's something they've ALREADY done. They've already influenced many elections and made decisive contributions in getting anti-gun politicians voted out of office. They've already done all that, and that's why many politicians fear what the NRA will do to them if they vote for more gun restrictions now. What is the NRA doing now? They're telling those very same politicians that their days are numbered if they enact new restrictions, and it's obviously working. I don't in any way intend to malign any of the other gun organizations. I'm sure they all do a great job in their own right. But I never hear anything about politicians being afraid of those other organizations like they're afraid of the NRA. Whether or not the NRA's efforts will be enough remains to be seen, but they're still very much doing the job they're supposed to do as a lobbying organization, and the most powerful one at that. But as has been said before, put your money where you feel it will do the most good. Sniping or griping at pro-gunners in other organizations just divides us and makes us weaker. We can support different organizations and still have a common goal.
 
Yep, grew up in Redondo Beach. I tried to escape several times before it finally "took" after moving here. I knew as a youngin' that at some point, I would say, "California is a great place to be from." Pretty much how I feel about it still. Great scenery and geography, even the people are generally cool with me, but the government is just too much. We left about a month after the Rodney King riots died down. Never really looked back. Been home ever since.

So how long have you been listening to the question, "Y'all ain't from 'round heuh, are ya?" LOL Been 21 years for us.

Blues

I hear ya! We left in 2002 and I still get that same line! The only thing I miss about California are my family, friends and Yosemite. Oh, and the phenomenal Rainbow Trout fishing on the Upper Sacramento River! ;)
 
Hardly a day goes by that I don't hear about moderate democrats scared to vote for new gun restrictions for fear of what the NRA will do to them in their next election.

I remember a NY'er on this board bragging a few months ago about his Representative having a "C" rating from the N R A. Have you ever looked at the voting record of a politician with a "C" rating? JPFO, GOA or the SAF would at least tell you the truth about those anti-gun hacks, and give all the N R A "Cs" Fs.

That isn't something the NRA CAN do. It's something they've ALREADY done.

Maybe. But it's for sure that they've already backed NFA '34.

They've already influenced many elections and made decisive contributions in getting anti-gun politicians voted out of office.

Again, maybe, though I'd prefer to see "many" quantified as to this notion that *they* got anti-gun politicians out of office. Regardless though, it's for sure that they've already supported the GCA of '68.

They've already done all that, and that's why many politicians fear what the NRA will do to them if they vote for more gun restrictions now.

They've already backed FOPA '86 and that's why Feinstein, Durbin, Schumer and all the rest couldn't care less what they say to sell memberships, because they know the N R A will turn on gun owners behind the scenes anyway. They've already done all that.

What is the NRA doing now? They're telling those very same politicians that their days are numbered if they enact new restrictions, and it's obviously working.

Hey 2Awarrior, would you agree with that? (2Aw lives in NY.) I'd love to hear what Coloradans and most NY'ers think about that assertion. Or folks from CA, MA, CT, MD, NJ and IL for that matter. I mean folks from those places who include truth, the whole truth, when critiquing the N R A's performance. I've heard from all the sycophants I can take who cannot face the whole truth about them.

But I'll tell you (again) what they're doing now. In Jan. your President Keene attended a Christian Science Monitor breakfast where he fielded questions from an obvious gaggle of wannabe gun-grabbers, and it was at least recorded for re-air on C-SPAN, and may have been broadcast live originally, but I'm not sure about that. Anyway, he was asked about the "Slide Fire Stock" and he said, paraphrasing, that they should get more scrutiny from BATFE if they effectively convert from semi to full-auto. Unfortunately for your gun-grabbing President though, the BATFE approved the Slide Fire Stock more than two years prior to that breakfast. The letter linked there is one of the more public authorizations the BATFE has ever published.

The link above to C-SPAN goes to a page where you can watch the whole thing. You can listen for yourself as he says that your .org has "urged that NICS be expanded," expresses his "fear" of full-on registry mandates (at 36:00 - 36:55) because, he says, they inevitably lead to confiscation, which, to my way of thinking is tyranny personified, and yet he agrees with Ghramnesty that owning weapons sufficient to stand against a tyrannical government here at home is not a legitimate purpose under the 2A.

They've already "accomplished" all that just since January, '13. That's not the end of just this year's blatant expositions of anti-gun-owner, anti-2A blather upper-echelon officers of the N R A have let loose with, but I've been here before - too much truth and the sycophants' eyes just glaze over, and within a day or two, they'll be back to posting the same tired ol' slobber all over again, so I'll leave it there for now.

But in short, what they've "already done" cuts both ways Rhino, and you don't have to worry about quantifying a bunch of ambiguous, unsubstantiated assertions when I lay their record out, because I link to documentation every time I say it. If I missed the documentation about them supporting NFA34, GCA68 and FOPA86 this time, it's only because I've already linked to it at least twice in this thread alone. It's hardly well-hidden history though. Anyone could find it if they were interested in the truth about all that they've already done.

I don't in any way intend to malign any of the other gun organizations.

One last thing Rhino. Is it "maligning" the N R A to tell the truth about them? Because I'd be willing to bet that if you or anyone else here had some truths to post that would expose the JPFO, GOA or SAF as bonafide gun control organizations, you'd do it in a heartbeat, and you would be incredulous that anyone would imply that you were "maligning" them by telling the truth of their record(s), as am I at your use of the word in relation to the N R A having been so-exposed.

Blues
 
Hey 2Awarrior, would you agree with that? (2Aw lives in NY.) I'd love to hear what Coloradans and most NY'ers think about that assertion. Or folks from CA, MA, CT, MD, NJ and IL for that matter. I mean folks from those places who include truth, the whole truth, when critiquing the N R A's performance.
I was referring to events at the national level and the news reports about that level. I don't know what they're doing at the state level except here in Ohio. I'd like to think they're performing in the same manner and I assume they are, but I don't get news reports from other states. I hardly ever get to this site anymore. Been very busy lately. And it's certainly not outside the realm of possibilities that some of those politicians in those states will lose their jobs over those votes. The democrats in Congress learned that lesson not that long ago. That's why many of them don't want to touch these bills now. How well that may or may not work at the state level remains to be seen, and the results would obviously vary by state.
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One last thing Rhino. Is it "maligning" the N R A to tell the truth about them? Because I'd be willing to bet that if you or anyone else here had some truths to post that would expose the JPFO, GOA or SAF as bonafide gun control organizations, you'd do it in a heartbeat...
I have and I don't, at least not in the context of this topic. I've had my differences with some gun organizations, but when it comes to the current fight in DC, it serves no purpose to drag out my personal grievances that have no bearing on this fight and would serve only to weaken it by contributing more bad blood.
 
Blues, for NY I can only say that the NRA's "affiliate", the NYSRPA has been extremely vocal and active, and has just slapped Albany with a lawsuit (finally) in federal district court calling for the repeal of the law. I think the language is too weak, but im no lawyer. The NRA itself? Haven't heard, but that may be par for the course because of the NYSRPA being the NRA's "arm" in NY.
But are they effective? No idea.
Also, I know Albany is starting to back down on some stuff, but so what? I think its more because the VAST majority of county sheriffs have bashed the new law, than because of the nysrpa.
In the end us New Yorkers will be patting ourselves on the back because we beat em back a little, but the bastards will still have stolen what they wanted - progress toward disarming us.
 
So with all that rambling, you're saying you don't carry.


lol... Some folks spend great time to form an appearance of cognitive thinking. When in actuality, it’s a very poor attempt at maximizing the use of characters to say absolutely nothing.

It’s an art.

-178S
 
lol... Some folks spend great time to form an appearance of cognitive thinking. When in actuality, it’s a very poor attempt at maximizing the use of characters to say absolutely nothing.

It’s an art.

-178S

Wow. Deflection much?

You post about something you called "HB582." I try to find what it is you're referring to and can find nothing. Got any "cognitive thinking" to offer to educate the board what you were referring to?

You post about an AL bill by saying, "Good thing the NRA is looking out for you folks in Bamer as they support SB 286, sponsored by state Senators Scott Beason (R-17) and Roger Bedford (D-6), seeks to restore and protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners in Alabama." I point out the poison pill that is contained within it. I am honest that it's not all bad, nor all good, but that the provision that would allow local control of carrying, retail selling, transportation, private sales etc. makes the bill absolutely unacceptable to anyone who understands the implications of such an important protection that gun-owners in Alabama currently enjoy.

Meanwhile, all you did is parrot something you found on N R A's website stating that the bill is "N R A-supported," though you offer no documentation what they've done to support it beyond paying it the same brainless lip-service you did here. And if you or the N R A knew what you were talking about when you say you support it, then you both support WEAKENING gun rights in MY state! I'll accept that you didn't know about the poison pill, but you asserting that I am deficient in cognitive thinking skills after missing that "little" detail is rather blatant and obvious deflection.

Do your freakin' homework and you won't get caught being the unthinking, mindless sycophant you have shown yourself to be. What you're engaging in here has no relation to "cognitive thinking," but rather, represents gross cognitive dissonance.

Blues
 
One last thing Rhino. Is it "maligning" the N R A to tell the truth about them? Because I'd be willing to bet that if you or anyone else here had some truths to post that would expose the JPFO, GOA or SAF as bonafide gun control organizations, you'd do it in a heartbeat...

I have and I don't, at least not in the context of this topic. I've had my differences with some gun organizations, but when it comes to the current fight in DC, it serves no purpose to drag out my personal grievances that have no bearing on this fight and would serve only to weaken it by contributing more bad blood.

I am seriously trying to understand this. Are you saying that you have evidence that would expose JPFO, GOA or SAF as bonafide gun control organizations, but you don't speak of it because it would cause "more" bad blood between them and actual gun rights organizations and individuals? It's one thing to have "personal grievances" or honest "differences" with any organization one might associate themselves with, but quite another to have identified them as completely counter to everything one believes in, as well as exposing them as being dishonest in what they, themselves, claim to stand for, and yet still support them financially and vocally. I don't get that at all.

Seriously, if you believe that JPFO, GOA or SAF are bonafide gun control .orgs (which was the exact wording of my question that you answered in the affirmative), then I need to know about what led you to that conclusion. All gun-rights advocates should want and need to know who is being honest with them, and who isn't. I am loyal to JPFO, GOA and SAF only because of my belief that they are loyal to the 2nd Amendment. I am not, however, so spineless in my support for 2nd Amendment rights that I would continue to lend my loyalty and support to them if they've been lying to me all these years. Please, I honestly implore you, show me anything you have that justifies answering my question in the affirmative concerning JPFO, GOA or SAF.

Blues
 
I am seriously trying to understand this. Are you saying that you have evidence that would expose JPFO, GOA or SAF as bonafide gun control organizations.....
Word games. I'm not using the same sensationalist terminology you were using. None of the organizations mentioned here are gun control organizations. I could disparage other organizations with inconvenient facts but I choose not to here because it would be self defeating and damaging to the common goal.
 
Word games.

Total and complete denial of the proven truth.

I'm not using the same sensationalist terminology you were using.

Yet you replied directly to my post that did use that terminology without mentioning that you considered it invalid. And I'm playing word games?

None of the organizations mentioned here are gun control organizations.

More sycophantic denial. After the mountain of evidence presented in this thread, all well-researched and served on a silver platter for people like you who refuse to do their own research on the matter(s), this amounts to nothing short of blind, lemming-like loyalty to an organization whose own upper-echelon leaders have admitted was a gun control organization. Since there are some newcomers to the thread though, I will reiterate some of the more significant facts on this score.

The N R A-backed Gun Control Act of 1968 is a direct rip-off of the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938 that, combined with lists from previous (1928) registration mandates, disarmed the Jews over the next couple of years, leaving them defenseless against Hitler's genocidal mania. Don't believe that's a valid conclusion? Let's explore it then, shall we?

First, for anyone willing to actually read the unvarnished truth, go to JPFO's website and read: "Gun Control's Nazi Connection." For those who might not know, "JPFO" is an acronym for, "Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership." If any group of people on the face of the planet would know about Nazi connections to American gun control, clearly it is the Jewish people.

Then take a look at Post #161 in this thread where the following was said:

"The NRA supported The National Firearms Act of 1934 which taxes and requires registration of such firearms as machine guns, sawed-off rifles and sawed-off shotguns. ... NRA support of Federal gun legislation did not stop with the earlier Dodd bills. It currently backs several Senate and House bills which, through amendment, would put new teeth into the National and Federal Firearms Acts." —American Rifleman, March 1968, P. 22

The "Dodd" referred to in the quote above is the late Senator Thomas J. Dodd, whom mimicked the Nazi Weapons Law of 1938, applied the underlying principles to the Gun Control Act of 1968, and took a leading role in getting his bills signed into law.

What Etkini says here tracks exactly with the JPFO link I just posted, only here, it is the N R A themselves saying that they supported the (Nazi-inspired) GCA '68 bill.

There are some other things Etkini said in that post that I may refer to later, but for now I just want to prove that everything he says in this excerpt is true. At the end of that post he said:

Don't believe me? Buy the issue yourself. Link Removed

Even though I believed him, I wanted to have that issue for occasions just like this, where sycophants try to tell me (and the rest of the board) that there's no truth to the assertion that the N R A is a gun control .org, so I bought that specific issue that Etkini linked to. You can check the vendor's Feedback Page if you think I'm lying or playing "word games." Search on "seekerrr" on that page. That's me, and I bought the above-referenced issue, and another one which proves from the gun-controlling-horse's own mouth that they are a gun control .org. But I digress...

Here's a picture of the March, '68 cover that I just took:

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And here's a scan of Page 22 that Etkini cites in Post #161:

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And here's the same picture with the quote I cited from Etkini's post enlarged so everyone can see that he told the unvarnished truth about where it came from:

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If anyone bothers to read Post #161 and compare it to the scan of Page 22 above, they will find that not only did Etkini accurately quote from The American Rifleman, March, 1968 issue, but he was actually incomplete in his citations because that one page is simply awash in gun-control-speak.

Some here have tried to say it doesn't matter what the N R A did 40 or 50 years ago, it only matters what they're doing today. Everyone who has read through this thread already knows that I can document N R A betrayals as recent as January of 2013, and even more recent thanks to One78Shovel reminding me that the N R A is supporting a bill right here in Alabama that will severely weaken the protections we now enjoy in the form of a state supremacy law regarding all issues on firearms. That bill goes to the Floor of the State Senate next week, so that's how current I can get, and that affects me directly. It literally baffles me how or why anyone who is adversely affected by the reams of N R A-supported gun control laws at both the federal and state levels isn't screaming from the mountaintops to warn their fellow citizens not to trust those traitors to the cause. But instead, what those who are get for their trouble is.....


I could disparage other organizations with inconvenient facts but I choose not to here because it would be self defeating and damaging to the common goal.

So he finally actually answered a direct question, unintentional though it may have been. Rhino thinks that me telling the truth about the N R A being a gun control .org is "disparaging" to them. It's not supportive of the Constitution and/or the 2nd Amendment, it disparages a gun control .org that has earned every bit of criticism (or disparagement - whatever) that I've given them.

Further, Rhino contends that it is "...damaging to the common goal" for those truths to be exposed. Obviously, the goals he has in common with the N R A are counter to the goals that every 2nd Amendment supporter should have. How could anyone deny that after finding out that the N R A supported all but a single provision of Hitler's own Nazi Weapons Law of 1938?

The only reason I can think of why any N R A sycophant would refer to "facts" as being "inconvenient" is because it is better to maintain the delusion that the N R A has goals in common with 2nd Amendment-supporting citizens rather than admit to having been mistaken for all these years. What other possible reason could there be?

It is truly baffling.....

Blues

PS: Prediction: Within the next 48 hours, there will be a post or five completely ignoring the substance of this post in favor of ranting about me being an anti-gun, Obama-loving, traitor-to-the-cause because I dared to tell the truth (again) about a phony sacred cow called the N R A. Bring it on sycophants, bring it on.
 
THAT does it !!!
I'M googling "sycophant" RIGHT NOW !!!


(originally I thought it was some kind of serial-killer-pachyderm, but in Blues' context, that's probably not what it is....)
 
Jesus. THAT didn't help....it's somebody who "acts obsequiously" toward someone else to gain advantage.

Back to Google.
You guys are killin me here...
 
Wow. It didn't even take 48 minutes to ignore the substance of my post!

For the record 2Aw, I did not have you in mind at all when using the word "sycophant." You have shown that you are willing to accept the truth about the N R A, even if you kind of go back and forth between the appropriate thing(s) to do in response to those truths. You are not who I was talking about, but you still fulfilled my prediction. Umm....thanks?

Blues
 
Jesus. THAT didn't help....it's somebody who "acts obsequiously" toward someone else to gain advantage.

Back to Google.
You guys are killin me here...

Good job 2A, I knew if anyone could get Blues out of his shell and tell us what he really thinks it would be you! :sarcastic:

Just kidding! :laugh:
 

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