Michael Brown

[Courtney.cj.chen]

He is not entitled to be a member of a private club whose members (NBA owners) don't want him because of his boorish behavior. It's not illegal to refuse to associated with a boor. It's not illegal for a private club to kick out a boor, or for the consumers to refuse to purchase the products of a company that harbors boorish behavior.

Just like other Christians are not obligated to accept or associate with the Westboro Baptist Church Christians even though the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church are not illegal.

But that doesn't insulate the boors from being called boors by any of us who wish to do so.

That's not the point at hand. If he made those comments in public. He's a fool and deserves everything he got. But he didn't. He made the comments in private. Betrayed by his own girlfriend- who IMO wanted a pay day n tried blackmailing him.

 

[BC1]

He is not entitled to be a member of a private club whose members (NBA owners) don't want him because of his boorish behavior. It's not illegal to refuse to associated with a boor. It's not illegal for a private club to kick out a boor, or for the consumers to refuse to purchase the products of a company that harbors boorish behavior.

Just like other Christians are not obligated to accept or associate with the Westboro Baptist Church Christians even though the beliefs of the Westboro Baptist Church are not illegal.

But that doesn't insulate the boors from being called boors by any of us who wish to do so.

It's not a private club, it's his personally owned business and hundreds of millions of dollars. HE owns the team, not the NBA, not some club. I believe due to his age he just doesn't want to fight. He should have disbanded the team and fired everyone. Would that make everyone happier? What the hell, he's in his eighties and won't be needing the money. Are you tell me that the BAR can tell you to close your law practice for the same comments? You would allow that? Would you cry foul? Hell yes you would. Life has two sides. Problem with attorneys is they fight for both and neither at the same time... the ultimate hypocrite.

 

[nogods]

It's not a private club, it's his personally owned business and hundreds of millions of dollars. HE owns the team, not the NBA, not some club.

Oh yes it is a private club. His "team" can't play in the NBA unless approved and allowed to do so by the "Membership." From the NBA Constitution:

(8) “Member” shall mean a person or Entity that has been granted a Membership in the Association.


(9) “Membership” shall mean the rights, privileges, and benefits granted to a Member by the Association, including, without limitation, the right to organize and operate a professional basketball team to play in the league operated by the Association.




(12) “Owner” shall mean a Member and each individual or Entity (including both the trustees and beneficiaries of any trust) that, directly or indirectly (including through one or
more intermediate Entities), owns of record or beneficially an interest in, or has effective control over, a Member or its Membership.


(17) “Prospective Owner” shall mean any person or Entity that directly or indirectly owns, seeks to own, or has been identified to the Association as a prospective owner of, an interest in an applicant for Membership under Article 4 or a proposed transferee under Article 5.


APPLICATION FOR MEMBERSHIP


(a) Each applicant for Membership shall make a written application to the Commissioner specifying the city that the applicant wishes to represent in the Association.


(b) The Association shall have no obligation to consider any application that is submitted under this Article or to solicit applications from more than one applicant for any potential new
Membership.


(c) All applications shall contain a binding agreement of the applicant and each Prospective Owner providing that if the application is approved by the Association, the applicant and each Prospective Owner shall be bound by the Constitution and By-Laws, rules, regulations, resolutions, and agreements of the Association, and any modifications or amendments thereof.


(d) Upon receipt of any application for Membership in the Association that the Association wishes to consider, the Commissioner shall conduct such investigation thereof as the Commissioner deems appropriate. Following the completion of such investigation, the Commissioner shall submit the application to the Members for approval, together with such information as the Commissioner deems pertinent. Each Prospective Owner must be approved by the affirmative vote of not less than three-fourths (3/4) of all Governors at a meeting duly called for such purpose.


(e) Each application for Membership shall be accompanied by a certified check in the amount of $1,000,000 (the “Application Fee”). If the application for admission is accepted, the Application Fee shall be used to pay the fees, costs, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees) incurred by the Association in considering the application and all related matters, and any remaining balance shall
be applied as a credit against the Membership fee to be paid by the applicant. If the application for admission is denied, the Application Fee shall be used to pay the fees, costs, and expenses (including attorneys’ fees) incurred by the Association in considering the application and all related matters, and any remaining balance shall be repaid to the applicant. There shall be no obligation to pay interest on any Application Fee submitted to and held by the Association.

 

[BC1]

Oh yes it is a private club. His "team" can't play in the NBA unless approved and allowed to do so by the "Membership." From the NBA Constitution:

Then terminate the team and everyone loses their income for the year. Would thatit fit your agenda better? Is that better for the league? Should the BAR close your practice if they don't like your attitude? Still didn't answer that one.

 

[AndeyHall]

I wouldn't mind a paid vacation as a reward for killing anyone I wanted either.

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Is that what you think happened?

How would you rather it go...would you rather them be forced to work under an immense amount of stress because they haven't had time to even process what has happened because they were thrown into another day's work? Or would you rather them have to forgo 2 weeks of pay for simply doing what was necessary to protect themselves and their partners and community?

One of my partners just had to shoot someone who pulled a sword on him. He tried everything he could to talk the man down but he kept coming towards him. For you to insinuate that he shot the guy just to get 2 weeks of "paid vacation" is just insensitive, insulting, and disrespectful!

 

[Firefighterchen]

Is that what you think happened?

How would you rather it go...would you rather them be forced to work under an immense amount of stress because they haven't had time to even process what has happened because they were thrown into another day's work? Or would you rather them have to forgo 2 weeks of pay for simply doing what was necessary to protect themselves and their partners and community?

One of my partners just had to shoot someone who pulled a sword on him. He tried everything he could to talk the man down but he kept coming towards him. For you to insinuate that he shot the guy just to get 2 weeks of "paid vacation" is just insensitive, insulting, and disrespectful!

Here's what I think happened during the brown Wilson incident. I don't know what happened. But it's pretty awesome we have posters here who were eye witnesses that can give their testimony.

Was the guy with the sword in Utah?

Oh...and can't handle the stress, find a new job. No pity from me. I wouldn't get any pity treatment if I were in his shoes, by the cops or my work.

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[AndeyHall]

Here's what I think happened during the brown Wilson incident. I don't know what happened. But it's pretty awesome we have posters here who were eye witnesses that can give their testimony.

Was the guy with the sword in Utah?

Oh...and can't handle the stress, find a new job. No pity from me. I wouldn't get any pity treatment if I were in his shoes, by the cops or my work.

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I don't know what happened either. But it baffles me that people are more willing to believe that an officer with no history of excessive force, no history of racist tendencies, and an exemplary career would just execute a "little innocent young boy" in cold blood in the middle of the street. And they're more willing to believe that after having just watched that 6'5", 250lb "little boy" strong arm an Asian store owner over some cigars.

And no, it was not in Utah.

I'm sure if you shot someone in self defense and the mental toll was more than you could handle, your boss would be happy to give you a little time...paid. But the difference is, although I don't know what you do, I'm sure your job doesn't require you to be put in situations of constant conflict and hostility. You try and say that if you can't handle the stress, quit the job. But who are you to say how you'll react when you're put in the position to kill another person. You may be fine, you may not. It's not a part of the job you can ever be certain that you can handle until it happens.

Oh...and can't handle the stress, find a new job. No pity from me.

Damn, we need to put you down at the VA telling all those wuss veterans who are claiming to have "PTSD" to suck it up get over themselves.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I don't know what happened either. But it baffles me that people are more willing to believe that an officer with no history of excessive force, no history of racist tendencies, and an exemplary career would just execute a "little innocent young boy" in cold blood in the middle of the street. And they're more willing to believe that after having just watched that 6'5", 250lb "little boy" strong arm an Asian store owner over some cigars.

And no, it was not in Utah.

I'm sure if you shot someone in self defense and the mental toll was more than you could handle, your boss would be happy to give you a little time...paid. But the difference is, although I don't know what you do, I'm sure your job doesn't require you to be put in situations of constant conflict and hostility. You try and say that if you can't handle the stress, quit the job. But who are you to say how you'll react when you're put in the position to kill another person. You may be fine, you may not. It's not a part of the job you can ever be certain that you can handle until it happens.



Damn, we need to put you down at the VA telling all those wuss veterans who are claiming to have "PTSD" to suck it up get over themselves.

You find me a report of a strong armed robbery from the police department. Until then, it has no input.

You know my job? If that's the case, I know your job too. Suck it up. I would get zero down time.

How would I react? How many people have died in your hands? Open your eyes, cops aren't the only people in life or death situations.

Do you have a full understanding of the history of PTSD? When did cops become doctors...or even have the same understanding of an emt basic....

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[AndeyHall]

You find me a report of a strong armed robbery from the police department. Until then, it has no input.

You know my job? If that's the case, I know your job too. Suck it up. I would get zero down time.

How would I react? How many people have died in your hands? Open your eyes, cops aren't the only people in life or death situations.

Do you have a full understanding of the history of PTSD? When did cops become doctors...or even have the same understanding of an emt basic....

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The surveillance video is if MB strong arm robbing the little convenient store right before he is shot.

I said I didn't know what you did. But I know that any place I have ever worked before, my bosses would have been understanding enough to give paid time off for something that serious. Nobody would want someone at work with that weighing on their mind, especially if someone's life depended on them.

And there's a BIG difference between having someone die in your care, and actually willfully killing someone. BIG difference.

And no, I have not delved into the entire history of PTSD, I'm just curious if you are trying to completely deny its existence. No, they're not doctors, and to be honest I'm not sure what about my comment made you think I was claiming anything remotely close to that. But to your last sentence, most of the deputies at our agency are EMT certified, because most of them either use to be or still currently are an EMT or fire fighter.

 

[Firefighterchen]

The surveillance video is if MB strong arm robbing the little convenient store right before he is shot.

I said I didn't know what you did. But I know that any place I have ever worked before, my bosses would have been understanding enough to give paid time off for something that serious. Nobody would want someone at work with that weighing on their mind, especially if someone's life depended on them.

And there's a BIG difference between having someone die in your care, and actually willfully killing someone. BIG difference.

And no, I have not delved into the entire history of PTSD, I'm just curious if you are trying to completely deny its existence. No, they're not doctors, and to be honest I'm not sure what about my comment made you think I was claiming anything remotely close to that. But to your last sentence, most of the deputies at our agency are EMT certified, because most of them either use to be or still currently are an EMT or fire fighter.

You find me a police report of Michael brown in a strong arm robbery. Until then your argument is invalid.

Again. Don't relate your boss (history of bosses) with mine.

I'm not talking patient care. I'm talking about being a fire team leader and losing someone in a fire that you commanded him into.

If you haven't delved into the entire history of PTSD, why did you recommend me to go to the va when talking about the mentality after shooting someone? You know that those are two different medical situations? I mean...You guys are emt's right?

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[AndeyHall]

You find me a police report of Michael brown in a strong arm robbery. Until then your argument is invalid.

Again. Don't relate your boss (history of bosses) with mine.

I'm not talking patient care. I'm talking about being a fire team leader and losing someone in a fire that you commanded him into.

If you haven't delved into the entire history of PTSD, why did you recommend me to go to the va when talking about the mentality after shooting someone? You know that those are two different medical situations? I mean...You guys are emt's right?

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I've seen the video. I don't need to see a report. There probably isn't a report because no one ever made it that far because of the shooting, and what's the point of trying to charge him after he's dead?

I'm not an EMT and never said I was. You just made a blanket statement about cops, so I was refuting that. But I don't see how there could be much difference between shooting someone here in America vs shooting someone in another country with respect to PTSD.

I'm not talking patient care. I'm talking about being a fire team leader and losing someone in a fire that you commanded him into.

Again, there is a difference between losing someone, and willfully killing them. The latter can induce PTSD, whereas the former will just induce guilt.

 

[Firefighterchen]

I've seen the video. I don't need to see a report. There probably isn't a report because no one ever made it that far because of the shooting, and what's the point of trying to charge him after he's dead?

I'm not an EMT and never said I was. You just made a blanket statement about cops, so I was refuting that. But I don't see how there could be much difference between shooting someone here in America vs shooting someone in another country with respect to PTSD.


Again, there is a difference between losing someone, and willfully killing them. The latter can induce PTSD, whereas the former will just induce guilt.

Oh..got it. You're also a judge and jury now.

I advise you to refrain from referencing PTSD until you understand it. It's quite obvious, you don't. (Hint: killing someone is not a prerequisite for PTSD). Think...all the civilians who went through 9/11 that have PTSD and never killed anyone.

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[BluesStringer]

I don't know what happened either. But it baffles me that people are more willing to believe that an officer with no history of excessive force, no history of racist tendencies, and an exemplary career would just execute a "little innocent young boy" in cold blood in the middle of the street. And they're more willing to believe that after having just watched that 6'5", 250lb "little boy" strong arm an Asian store owner over some cigars.

Your assimilation is nearly complete. Everything from the cop's POV, nothing from a "justifiable use of force" POV. Your trainer(s) are very proud, I'm sure. Even your avatar oozes with the notion that all cop shootings are "Justified."

There are no less than six eye-witnesses who saw all or part of the shooting from the time Brown ran from the patrol SUV until one or both of two head-shots killed him. Five of those witnesses are now on record saying he was in the act of surrendering with his hands up when the final volley of shots were fired. One says he got outside just in time to see Brown falling down and the final shot delivered on his way down. None of them say he was charging Wilson.

These witnesses are now also part of Darren Wilson's history. His views on race are irrelevant to whether or not he was justified in firing every round he fired. His "exemplary" career is irrelevant to determining justification as well.

Nobody since Dorian Johnson's early interviews has pushed the meme that Brown was a "gentle giant" or "little boy" or any other phraseology designed to excuse his behavior in the security video footage. Both things can be true at the same time, that Michael Brown was a thief, thug, even a hardened criminal, and Darren Wilson fired at least one kill-shot that can in no way be justified.

But the shooter in this instance is a cop. That's all the "evidence" you need to fall squarely on his side.

You are the enemy.

Blues

 

[AndeyHall]

Your assimilation is nearly complete. Everything from the cop's POV, nothing from a "justifiable use of force" POV. Your trainer(s) are very proud, I'm sure. Even your avatar oozes with the notion that all cop shootings are "Justified."

There are no less than six eye-witnesses who saw all or part of the shooting from the time Brown ran from the patrol SUV until one or both of two head-shots killed him. Five of those witnesses are now on record saying he was in the act of surrendering with his hands up when the final volley of shots were fired. One says he got outside just in time to see Brown falling down and the final shot delivered on his way down. None of them say he was charging Wilson.

These witnesses are now also part of Darren Wilson's history. His views on race are irrelevant to whether or not he was justified in firing every round he fired. His "exemplary" career is irrelevant to determining justification as well.

Nobody since Dorian Johnson's early interviews has pushed the meme that Brown was a "gentle giant" or "little boy" or any other phraseology designed to excuse his behavior in the security video footage. Both things can be true at the same time, that Michael Brown was a thief, thug, even a hardened criminal, and Darren Wilson fired at least one kill-shot that can in no way be justified.

But the shooter in this instance is a cop. That's all the "evidence" you need to fall squarely on his side.

You are the enemy.

Blues

I actually actually am not on his side, nor am I against it. I know that there are always 3 sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth. I'm not saying Darren Wilson is innocent. I have no idea. Based on the evidence so far, I'm totally undecided. But the reports I have read have indicated that there was a very violent altercation between Brown and Wilson, in which Wilson did have injuries. To what extent? I don't know.

But do you think for one second, whether he was justified or not, that Wilson will can't anything close to a fair trial? Because what fires me up the most about this whole thing is that almost every news article you read about the incident feels compelled to reference Brown and Wilson's race. Explain to me why the hell that is relevant. They have skewed this entire thing to the point that if Darren Wilson is not indicted, we're all racists. They are going to convict him for the sole purpose of appeasing the masses and stopping the riots. That's what angers me.

 

[AndeyHall]

Oh..got it. You're also a judge and jury now.

I advise you to refrain from referencing PTSD until you understand it. It's quite obvious, you don't. (Hint: killing someone is not a prerequisite for PTSD). Think...all the civilians who went through 9/11 that have PTSD and never killed anyone.

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Where did I become judge and jury? I just said I don't need to see a police report to know he robbed the store cause I saw him on video.

You really have a knack for twisting words. If that is what you meant by "understanding PTSD", then yes I understand it quite well. I understand that it does not have to come from killing, and not everyone who kills will get PTSD. We have victims of CDV who are diagnosed with PTSD. But you're straying WAY off of what was originally said and what the point was. What I was saying was that I think it is perfectly logical to give an officer some time off to process a shooting rather than sticking them back on the job and possibly risk them hurting someone because they weren't ready to go back. No, officers don't always get PTSD from a shooting, but a lot do. So rather than having someone who is not ready to come back say they are because they don't want to be seen as weak, they make it a policy to protect everyone.

So my original comment really had nothing to do with the after effects of a shoot. I was simply arguing your notion that cops will just shoot anyone to get 2 weeks of "paid vacation".

 

[Firefighterchen]

Where did I become judge and jury? I just said I don't need to see a police report to know he robbed the store cause I saw him on video.

(Blah blah blah)

So my original comment really had nothing to do with the after effects of a shoot. I was simply arguing your notion that cops will just shoot anyone to get 2 weeks of "paid vacation".

Blues explains your judge jury cop mentality perfectly. To which, you deflected into racism on the news (complete cop out...Get it? ...but more on point, a sign of a failing opinion by going the racism route).

The notion that cops will shoot anyone for a paid vacation is about as on par as saying "he got a just reward" about brown. Get over it.

You brought up PTSD and the VA...now your blaming me about derailing? Weak. Get over it.

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[RonM0710]

You find me a police report of Michael brown in a strong arm robbery. Until then your argument is invalid.

Again. Don't relate your boss (history of bosses) with mine.

I'm not talking patient care. I'm talking about being a fire team leader and losing someone in a fire that you commanded him into.

If you haven't delved into the entire history of PTSD, why did you recommend me to go to the va when talking about the mentality after shooting someone? You know that those are two different medical situations? I mean...You guys are emt's right?

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You don't need a police report for a crime to happen. The police don't need a complainant to charge someone with a crime. When did being a firefighter qualify you as a lawyer?

 

[Firefighterchen]

You don't need a police report for a crime to happen. The police don't need a complainant to charge someone with a crime. When did being a firefighter qualify you as a lawyer?

You find me any case where a crime was brought in as evidence without a police report.

Find me someone who was charged with robbery when the police weren't present and no one called the police.

Until then, you can consider me a lawyer because your argument fails.

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[RonM0710]

You find me any case where a crime was brought in as evidence without a police report.

Find me someone who was charged with robbery when the police weren't present and no one called the police.

Until then, you can consider me a lawyer because your argument fails.

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There are plenty of MURDERS without a complainant. Tell me something about FIRE, something I might believe you know something about.

 

[Firefighterchen]

There are plenty of MURDERS without a complainant. Tell me something about FIRE, something I might believe you know something about.

Yes but find a court that has charged someone with murder when no one calls it in, no missing persons reported, and no police are involved.

Fire creates hot air...just like the hot air that fills your head. Don't you have more badges to fluff?

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