Michael Brown

4500 people show up for the funeral of a "good boy". This country is a sewer with the turds floating right there on the front pages.
 
The only "truth" (as interpreted by jurors) in this matter will be when the final gavel has fallen, and as Blues and others suggested, if there will be any gavel at all.

One may speculate given the evidence as seen by civilians, but the only important evidence is what is admissible in court, if this ever goes to trial.
 
RE: "...plenty of articles- have completely gutted the privacy of the officer ..."
I went to these links - it's amazing what will be dug out once one becomes famous or infamous - the stuff about his [Wilson] mother, wow, so creepy and irrelevant - but this is America, land of the Peeping Toms mentality.
RE: "... claims on the internet staying that Mike Brown actually DID have a criminal record ..."
It looks like he did not have a criminal record but I'm 100% convinced after seeing the store thievery video that this was not the first, probably not the tenth time MB stole, intimidated and strong-arm assaulted.
He was too smooth, to cool about it never to have done it before. Additionally, it's possible that he's been let off the hook before - trade off for snitching, etc.. or perhaps not. But, novice in crime he was not.

Courtney.cj.chen said:
Just to clarify-

I was not referring to Brown as a seasoned life criminal - but rather- one who was so young. We don't know which way his life could've turned. (If) he started school just days later- who knows what ambition just a week of school might instill into him. But to address another post- altho I'm jumping the gun- at this point- i'm certain that Brown played a huge role (and further investigation will determine if it was a SOLE role) in robbing himself of his future.

But Wilson is supposed to be a trained professional. My next question is- amidst the adrenaline- was Wilson able to determine when- his shots had achieved in stopping the target- or- was he not going to stop- until he achieved eliminating the target. Are we able to determine, in following all evidence presented- whether(regardless of adrenaline)- he had decided to shoot to kill- instead of shoot to stop.

On a separate note- plenty of articles- have completely gutted the privacy of the officer. Obviously- when you have something this high profile- in terms of news coverage- its to be expected. They've released information that- it not relevant. They've released his parents' names. His mother's criminal history. His (live in) girlfriend's full name and place of employment. His marriage/divorce record. What town he lives in. Even what his home looks like, and how its decorated. What his salary is. Its a good thing- that when a "tell all" article is written about a person- that their dirtiest laundry- has nothing to do with them- (such as his mother's identity theft related charges).

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/16/u...wilson-2-paths-to-a-fatal-encounter.html?_r=0
Ferguson Cop reveals why he shot Missouri black teenager

Also, in reading- i've come across a couple claims on the internet staying that Mike Brown actually DID have a criminal record. To what i've researched myself- these are false. There is a michael brown, born 1997- with an extensive violent criminal record, who is from troy, Mo- they are not the same person. Also- in missouri- you're charged as an adult when you're 17. So 17 does not involve a juvenile record. I used both names- Mike and Michael Brown

But i'm curious- and following this story: Reporter claims he was told by several LE that Brown has a juvenile record, and is suing to get access to those "records"

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You can find these yourself here

https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

to help limit your search, limit the search to 21st Judicial Circuit (St. Louis County). When you get search result, click on "parties and Attorneys"- and most often they will include the defendant's birth year.

This is a free site, that allows MO residents to look up backgrounds for anyone. Family court, traffic, criminal, and civil records are all in one database. Any other states have this? Also- I'm not sure- but I'm assuming that the defendants on this database- are entered based on the state that their case is filed in, and not where they live.
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r1derbike said:
The only "truth" (as interpreted by jurors) in this matter will be when the final gavel has fallen, and as Blues and others suggested, if there will be any gavel at all.

One may speculate given the evidence as seen by civilians, but the only important evidence is what is admissible in court, if this ever goes to trial.
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Who needs a gavel..we have super detectives to find people guilty online...and it's a free service!

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Howdy Blues,

BluesStringer said:
What does Michael Brown's state of mind have to do with anything? In any shooting, whether justifiable or not, the only state of mind evidence that is relevant is the shooter's. Wilson's state of mind will have to be defended if there ever is a trial, for every shot he fired, which as of last night, is now up to 11 shots fired. Even if Brown's state of mind were relevant to Wilson's guilt or innocence (which it ain't, but if), all the witness accounts show his state of mind as either being injured and on the way to the ground, or actively attempting to surrender when the kill shot(s) were fired.

It's been said here many times by many different posters -- cops can't shoot worth a crap. Wilson couldn't hit a giant better'n 55% of his shots fired. The pauses between volleys is going to be another problem for him as they are consistent with all the eye witness reports.

If the Grand Jury is populated by fair and objective people (unlike much of this forum), Wilson's got big problems.

Blues
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But you are forgetting that the Anti-Brown/Pro-Wilson Crowd actually "BELIEVES" that either Brown got down in an Offensive Lineman's stand and the charged Wilson like an African Rhino or that Brown punched Wilson through the open window of the SUV, tried to grab Wilson's gun and strictly in self defense and in fear for his live he had to shoot and kill Brown. ( Isn't this the same thing that the Anti-Martin/Pro-Zimmerman crowd claimed? ).

It's strange how the Pro-Brown/Anti-Wilson Crowd has ONE "story" to tell what happened but the
Anti-Brown/Pro-Wilson Crowd has at lest two "stories".

Paul
 
Shoot 'em to the ground. The last shot on the top of the head probably hit as Mike Brown was falling forward.

Any links to the police radio dispatcher? I still don't know if Officer Wilson knew they were suspects.
 
gfrlaser said:
If the clerk did not call the police.... then how is it a call went out on the police radio concerning the alleged crime??
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A customer who witnessed the shove made the report. The owners of the store have made it clear that neither they nor any employee of the store ever filed a complaint. It may well be for the reasons that others have suggested, that they're scared, but it doesn't matter at the bottom line, because no victim, no crime.
 
mappow said:
Errr, so a unreported rape is not a crime? Or did I miss read your post? (I'll wait for the sheet storm to begin)
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Have you ever seen a person convicted of rape when no one pressed charges for rape?

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BluesStringer said:
Any other questions, mappow? Our justice system requires a victim so that a defendant can face his/her accuser. As far as the justice system is concerned, no victim, no crime.
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And as a citizen, not the member of a jury, I don't need to be convinced that rape is a crime, and that if the victim is afraid to press charges the attacker is still a rapist. Convicted? No. Rapist? How many daughters do YOU have?
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Back to Brown, convicted criminal? No. Thug? So far as the store video shows, Yup!.
 
BluesStringer said:
The only "state of mind" evidence that's relevant here is the cop's...
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I disagree. If I am an innocent citizen minding my own business, my reaction to a cop pulling showing an interest in me will be vastly different than if I had just committed a crime, no matter how minor of a crime.
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If how I act (slamming the door on the cop when he tries to get out and confront me) provokes adverse reactions by the cop then it's on me, not the cop.
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You seem to miss the fact that I am not nor have I ever argued that the SHOOTING was justified. I am arguing that the confrontation went beyond "get out of the middle of the street" because of the actions of Brown and Johnson, and progressed from there. As far as witnesses backing up the "giving himself up" claim, it's the same as the store owner - snitches get stitches. Unless there is video of the attack, voice recording from cop to station before during or after the incident, we will never know if it was self defense or if it was justified. You would probably have to put a witness that sided with Wilson into the protection program, move them to Ohio and change their name...
 
Watched the CNN report about the audio recording, and it tracks with Sgt Wilson's story. The first string of shots could have been mostly misses with 1 or 2 arm grazes or hits. Stop and assess, remember "front sight" this time. Rhino charge. A second string of shots ending with a head shot.

That is more in line with shooting statistics, 10 to 11 shots with 4 to 6 actual hits. I should hope that the number of rounds left in his magazine and shell casings found will be released at some point.
 
Nick Burkhardt said:
Watched the CNN report about the audio recording, and it tracks with Sgt Wilson's story. The first string of shots could have been mostly misses with 1 or 2 arm grazes or hits. Stop and assess, remember "front sight" this time. Rhino charge. A second string of shots ending with a head shot.

That is more in line with shooting statistics, 10 to 11 shots with 4 to 6 actual hits. I should hope that the number of rounds left in his magazine and shell casings found will be released at some point.
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Oh...so now CNN is okay?

Sounds like Brown was running away during the first string of shots. Stop and assess, Brown turned around and surrendered hands up in the air, time to finish Brown off.

Then the second string of shots to murder him.

Both scenarios have witnesses saying they are both correct...but only one of our scenarios has confirmed witnesses, and not second hand stories or unvetted information.
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Firefighterchen said:
Oh...so now CNN is okay?
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If CNN has a video or audio evidence - unaltered and in its entirety - then it has as much credence as every other network. They are reporting on it because it fits the narrative of "Oh my God they shot him 6 times!!!". The gun-control left doesn't understand shooting until the threat is stopped, which may be a few more times for a linebacker than Steve Erkel.
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Now if it had been on MSNBC they would have probably spliced in Full Metal Jacket sound bytes... "Get some! Get some!"
 
BluesStringer said:
Any other questions, mappow? Our justice system requires a victim so that a defendant can face his/her accuser. As far as the justice system is concerned, no victim, no crime.
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A customer reported it. If brown had lived- and the store refused to press charges- doesn't necessarily mean there won't be any charges pressed. With an eye witness account- this assault charge can be state vs. brown.
 
whodat2710 said:
Blues said:
The only "state of mind" evidence that's relevant here is the cop's...
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I disagree. If I am an innocent citizen minding my own business, my reaction to a cop pulling showing an interest in me will be vastly different than if I had just committed a crime, no matter how minor of a crime.
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And....

whodat2710 said:
You seem to miss the fact that I am not nor have I ever argued that the SHOOTING was justified.
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And you quite obviously miss the fact that when I'm talking about state of mind, I'm only talking about the shooting in the context of a criminal trial of Wilson. You can spend your time thinking you have all the information needed to discern Brown's state of mind as that of an overly-aggressive thug, but the questions in court of Wilson's training expert or whatever, because no lawyer is ever going to let him testify on his own behalf, are going to go something like this:

"When Officer Wilson pulled the trigger the first time, was he in fear for his or someone else's life?"
"When he pulled the trigger the second time, was he in fear for his or someone else's life?"

And those questions are going to repeat all the way through round 11. His state of mind will be scrutinized for each individual shot. Brown's state of mind doesn't matter a wit in determining whether or not the shooting was justified. Brown's actions count in determining Wilson's state of mind, but Brown's state of mind doesn't at all.

Blues
 
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