ofcourse you are the highest level.
but you are still a civillian and should not be considered in a military discount since you are not allowed to carry a gun to the scene anyways. punk!
and u are a civillian too there mr mall ninja. oh and by the way that rule just got rescended check out this link page 60 at the bottom Link Removed
....Stump Jumper, I went and read the regulation and I, as a volunteer EMT am VERY disappointed that they took this out of our rules and regulations and I will, tomorrow morning, be writing a letter to my EMS agency urging them to put that rule back in and to enforce it.
We are rescue workers and we have the police for a reason. If we feel we are in danger there is a small red button on our two way radio's for a reason. We are there to save lives, we are there to harm none and to do our job. If I knew my partner had a gun, I don't care who you are, I would refuse to be on that rig with you and request another partner. I don't need to walk into a stressful situation and have it come potentially worse or fatal if that person realizes that you have a gun. I wasn't taught to take a life, I was taught to SAVE ONE. What you do on your own time and off duty, be it paid or volunteer is your business.
I have met way too many wanna be fire fighters and EMT's who can't even function when it matters, who have to try to prove something, why in the world would I want them to have a fire arm? Way too many wanna be's who are gung ho saving that burning building, or showing attitude or racing to see who is first on the scene. There has only been one person that I would ever feel safe around with a fire arm on a scene and that was my assistant chief who was a police officer and went to the range often. I never felt uneasy with him and believe me, I spent enough time with him. He was always very professional on and off the scene and conducted himself as one of his rank should.
This is only my personal opinion. I was raised that if I can't say anything constructively or without malice, then to not say anything at all. So to call someone a "mall ninja" when I am sure what he does is just as important as what you do or he is just as proud of what he is trained to do, that was rather a nasty thing to say.
and u are a civillian too there mr mall ninja. oh and by the way that rule just got rescended check out this link page 60 at the bottom Link Removed
Not sure why you're against someone wanting to defend themself or possibly others. Keep in mind that an armed non-LEO first responder may save MANY lives one day. Imagine that you respond to a scene where there's a lady complaining of abdominal pains. You get there and rather than finding a lady in pain you find a what appears to be a lady who is mentally disturbed. While you're talking with the lady to assess the situation, you hear gunshots. Maybe someone gets hit, maybe not. In any case, you hit your "little red button". Police will be at least 2 minutes out. In that time, many people can be seriously injured and/or killed. If you and/or your partner are properly trained and armed, you will be able to respond to the threat and possibly save the lives of innocents. I imagine that there is extensive testing and screening involved before one can become a first responder. Knowing that these people are screened, wouldn't it be reasonable to trust them to keep you safe? I'm sure your partner could easily snuff you out in your sleep. From what I've observed of EMT/Fire personnel is that they live in the fire station for at least 24 hours at a time. It's critical that these people be able to get along with others as to ensure a safe living environment. I see no problem with first responders being armed. Granted if they do carry, it should be on a "need to know" basis and deeply concealed. This would prevent folks like yourself freaking out because the EMT or Firefighter is "packing".
I sincerely hope that "assistant police chief" that you would trust with a firearm is nothing like this guy!
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\I was trying hard to stay out of this conversation but it seems that snide comments and petty remarks have been tossed around.
Stump Jumper, I went and read the regulation and I, as a volunteer EMT am VERY disappointed that they took this out of our rules and regulations andWe are rescue workers and we have the police for a reason.I will, tomorrow morning, be writing a letter to my EMS agency urging them to put that rule back in and to enforce it.We are there to save lives, we are there to harm none and to do our job. If I knew my partner had a gun, I don't care who you are, I would refuse to be on that rig with you and request another partner. I don't need to walk into a stressful situation and have it come potentially worse or fatal if that person realizes that you have a gun.If we feel we are in danger there is a small red button on our two way radio's for a reason.What you do on your own time and off duty, be it paid or volunteer is your business.I wasn't taught to take a life, I was taught to SAVE ONE.
I have met way too many wanna be fire fighters and EMT's who can't even function when it matters, who have to try to prove something,Way too many wanna be's who are gung ho saving that burning building, or showing attitude or racing to see who is first on the scene. There has only been one person that I would ever feel safe around with a fire arm on a scene and that waswhy in the world would I want them to have a fire arm?and went to the range often. I never felt uneasy with him and believe me, I spent enough time with him. He was always very professional on and off the scene and conducted himself as one of his rank should.my assistant chief who was a police officer
This is only my personal opinion. I was raised that if I can't say anything constructively or without malice, then to not say anything at all. So to call someone a "mall ninja" when I am sure what he does is just as important as what you do or he is just as proud of what he is trained to do, that was rather a nasty thing to say.
the line through the rule is the department of ems way of saying it is taken out of the new printing.
Yes i am there to heal, help my fellow person in distress, im not out to hurt anyone and hope to god i never have to!!! On the other hand i am all about being able to go home at the end of my shift and see my wife and children. when seconds count the police are only minutes away. if you have run in ems very much which i doubt you have near the time in that i have you will have seen many incidents in which the dispatcher was not given sufficient information or did not ask the right question or that they just didnt have any law enforcment to send because they are tied up at the time. next the poll has nothing to do with the original topic, omit it , the original topic has been edited to the point that you cant read what i read in the begining. 0h and what a coincedence my assistant chief was a police officer to, in which before he went to the academy i attempted to teach him how to shoot a pistol, only to find out he was cross eye dominant. what a coincedence! and yes i would trust him with a weapon just as much as myself! i have not said that we are law enforcement, or that we are military, or that we need a gun more than anyone else. my point was about him downing emts and firefighters for geting a discount and his profesion didnt. but its all lost witheverything being edited out. i aint calling names other than mall ninja which is very mild compared to what i have recieved in emails i can tell you.
case in point we had one about 12 years ago where we were called to a structure fire on the court circle and as the ambulance pulled up gunfire was exchange between an assailant and a state police officer who just happend to be standing in the right place at the right time to save countless live's .. the incident made it on real stories of the highway patrol. what if he hadnt been standing there, how many lives would have been lost, no one knows!
you are full of crap.
no where in the va state attorneys office does it state emts can carry side arms.
nice try
case in point we had one about 12 years ago where we were called to a structure fire on the court circle and as the ambulance pulled up gunfire was exchange between an assailant and a state police officer who just happend to be standing in the right place at the right time to save countless live's .. the incident made it on real stories of the highway patrol. what if he hadnt been standing there, how many lives would have been lost, no one knows!
You canto think I am anti gun rights but I am not, far from it. If you read it says I don't care what you do or what you carry ON YOUR OWN TIME. You may have more time as an EMT, doesn't mean your better than I am or you have a better knowledge of it, just that you have been doing it longer. You don't know me nor know what I have been in or what scenes I have rolled up on and yes I do want to go home to my family at the end of the day. Don't think I can't take a life if in that situation, again, think what you will. If I had a dollar for every time someone thought ill or bad of me, I would be well off.ASSume
You have your views and I have my views. I respect your right to think that EMS/Fire Fighters should have the right to carry while on scene as a volunteer or paid, and I have my rights to my views that they should not. Let's leave it at that. But, if people are so dog rabid that they want to start accusing me of being anti, I can find another group that isn't so nasty and mean spirited and name calling, that they respect one anothers views and understand why they think the way they do.
the line through the rule is the department of ems way of saying it is taken out of the new printing.
Yes i am there to heal, help my fellow person in distress, im not out to hurt anyone and hope to god i never have to!!! On the other hand i am all about being able to go home at the end of my shift and see my wife and children. when seconds count the police are only minutes away. if you have run in ems very much which i doubt you have near the time in that i have you will have seen many incidents in which the dispatcher was not given sufficient information or did not ask the right question or that they just didnt have any law enforcment to send because they are tied up at the time. next the poll has nothing to do with the original topic, omit it , the original topic has been edited to the point that you cant read what i read in the begining. 0h and what a coincedence my assistant chief was a police officer to, in which before he went to the academy i attempted to teach him how to shoot a pistol, only to find out he was cross eye dominant. what a coincedence! and yes i would trust him with a weapon just as much as myself! i have not said that we are law enforcement, or that we are military, or that we need a gun more than anyone else. my point was about him downing emts and firefighters for geting a discount and his profesion didnt. but its all lost witheverything being edited out. i aint calling names other than mall ninja which is very mild compared to what i have recieved in emails i can tell you.
case in point we had one about 12 years ago where we were called to a structure fire on the court circle and as the ambulance pulled up gunfire was exchange between an assailant and a state police officer who just happend to be standing in the right place at the right time to save countless live's .. the incident made it on real stories of the highway patrol. what if he hadnt been standing there, how many lives would have been lost, no one knows!
i am still lost.
if emt;s are allowed to carry side arms concealed. how can they treat some one inside a bank? or some one inside a mall with no guns allowed signs on the front doors. or goverment buildings. or in some states resturaunts that sell and consume alcohol?
police officers are allowed to open carry in these places. doesnt this slow up the response time of the emt's?
and . if they are allowed to break these rules. this is not a bad ideal to go to a 5 week course to get a basic emt qual just to carry. no blet, no police academy. the only rules are the states concealed laws? wow! thats a deal. sign me up!
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