emt and volunteer fire fighters getting discounts?

[gunther37]

First show me a town that has Less than 500 people there arent many, next does someone in that town have less of a heart attack than someone in a bigger town. the medic in a smaller town often is just as sharp if not sharper on his skills than the bigger city boys cause they have to transport their patients farther and keep thenm stable longer than the places who have a hospital on every corner. does their house burn slower or at a lower temperature than someone in a larger town. oh my disagrement was never who needed a firearm more for their profession, us medic/firefighters dont. mine was you thinking that we are useless mudboggers who dont do anything that your profession should be at the top of the list which has been edited out of your posts. the poll is pointless and off the topic were were having, just give it a rest.

dude! no one doubts that regular emt's do not work hard.

all i am trying to say is..........they are not part of law enforcement so they should not be included in the law enforcement discounts.
having a seperate discount i think would be fine. but if they are not police officers then they are not police officers! why is this so hard to understand?
you are the one that keeps giving your salty war stories.

I tried to end this several days ago. now maybe we should move into a new direction. Emts should get a discount but not under military or law enforcement.

 

[gunther37]

First show me a town that has Less than 500 people there arent many, next does someone in that town have less of a heart attack than someone in a bigger town. the medic in a smaller town often is just as sharp if not sharper on his skills than the bigger city boys cause they have to transport their patients farther and keep thenm stable longer than the places who have a hospital on every corner. does their house burn slower or at a lower temperature than someone in a larger town. oh my disagrement was never who needed a firearm more for their profession, us medic/firefighters dont. mine was you thinking that we are useless mudboggers who dont do anything that your profession should be at the top of the list which has been edited out of your posts. the poll is pointless and off the topic were were having, just give it a rest.

wtf? :fie:

and how does this qualify emt under a law enforcement field?

 

[wolfhunter]

Gunther,
Why do you think a consultant (the instructor) should get a discount for doing what he's paid to do? Mechanics don't typically get a discount on wrenches, nor do the EMT types get discounts on their tools. It's not about who needs the tool, it's about Bud's extending the LE & Military discount to other people whose service THEY choose to recognize.

Start teaching Pistol classes ProBono and maybe they'll decide to cut their profit for you, too.

 

[gunther37]

Gunther,
Why do you think a consultant (the instructor) should get a discount for doing what he's paid to do? Mechanics don't typically get a discount on wrenches, nor do the EMT types get discounts on their tools. It's not about who needs the tool, it's about Bud's extending the LE & Military discount to other people whose service THEY choose to recognize.

Start teaching Pistol classes ProBono and maybe they'll decide to cut their profit for you, too.

ummmmm. law enforcement don't use pistols as tools of there trade?
ummmmmm. military doesnt use weapons anymore?

 

[wolfhunter]

Gunther, you avoid the point of many of these posts just so you can continue whining.
If Bud's wants to open a S&W (or other) discount to the local groundskeepers because they like the way the bushes are edged, that's Bud's perogative, and that discount comes out of BUD'S profit. If the matter of who needs a gun for work were the real issue, my take is simple. An instructor does NOT need a pistol to teach, but the students need a pistol to learn. Maybe YOU should be giving out gift cards for your students.

 

[stumpjumper101]

wtf? :fie:

and how does this qualify emt under a law enforcement field?

you should contact buds and ask them to change the icon to " people in which we choose to offer discounts too" and leave the affilaition with law enforcement alone. there is no affiliation other than both professions fall under public safety/first responders. it's cheaper for anyone to pay full price then it is to go out of your way to fall under one of their discount recipients categories.

 

[gunther37]

Gunther, you avoid the point of many of these posts just so you can continue whining.
If Bud's wants to open a S&W (or other) discount to the local groundskeepers because they like the way the bushes are edged, that's Bud's perogative, and that discount comes out of BUD'S profit. If the matter of who needs a gun for work were the real issue, my take is simple. An instructor does NOT need a pistol to teach, but the students need a pistol to learn. Maybe YOU should be giving out gift cards for your students.

one may argue that all legal valid concealed permit holders should get the discount.

 

[Glock Fan]

you should contact buds and ask them to change the icon to " people in which we choose to offer discounts too" and leave the affilaition with law enforcement alone. there is no affiliation other than both professions fall under public safety/first responders. it's cheaper for anyone to pay full price then it is to go out of your way to fall under one of their discount recipients categories.

I always thought that "military contractors" being that they have an ID card issued by the military would be entitled to ge the discount. I know two civilian armed security officers got the S&W discount from Bud's. They tried to convince me to purchase a M&P and told me about the discount that Bud's offers. They fax'd a copy of their military ID card and a letter from their supervisor stating that they were assigned to the military base, and got the discount. I checked with a couple of other manufacturers and found that their discount program was better than S&W, so opted to take advantage of their offers instead.



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[gunther37]

you should contact buds and ask them to change the icon to " people in which we choose to offer discounts too" and leave the affilaition with law enforcement alone. there is no affiliation other than both professions fall under public safety/first responders. it's cheaper for anyone to pay full price then it is to go out of your way to fall under one of their discount recipients categories.

volunteer emt are considered civillians.

i have given up on buds!

why won't you admit emt volunteers are not considered military?

 

[capt16.wallace]

You used two different questions. The profession that NEEDS the gun for their profession would be the EMT/FIREFIGHTER. Being both of those I am a little biased however we put our lives in great danger and a lot of the time we don't know what we're getting into when we respond to a call.

The NRA instructor will probably USE the gun more for his or her profession but I also think they should get discounts on gun purchases as well.

 

[wolfhunter]

Gunther,
Nobody except you (not even Bud's) has said volunteer EMTs are military or LE. Bud's just offered them the same discount.

 

[stumpjumper101]

volunteer emt are considered civillians.

i have given up on buds!

why won't you admit emt volunteers are not considered military?

you are whacked in the head, first we are regular emt/firefighters, then we are somehow considered law enforcement, now we are civilians, wake up and smell the coffee we are all civilians including yourself. you are no longer military cause if you were you would recieve a discount and this tread would never have been started by you. WE ARE ALL CIVILIANS

 

[Glock Fan]

You used two different questions. The profession that NEEDS the gun for their profession would be the EMT/FIREFIGHTER. Being both of those I am a little biased however we put our lives in great danger and a lot of the time we don't know what we're getting into when we respond to a call.

The NRA instructor will probably USE the gun more for his or her profession but I also think they should get discounts on gun purchases as well.

Very well put Cpt. Wallace! I've witnessed many calls where EMT/Fire personnel respond and the patient is "MH4" or totally drugged out. It's not a job that I would like to have. I have also heard about many EMT/Fire personnel responding to incidents and get shot at while trying to do their job. I could imagine the surprise of the BG when they're popping shots off at the EMT/Fire personnel and they return fire. :haha:

As I stated earlier, I have taught a few NRA classes without using my firearms. It helps if you have your own stuff, but get creative and it's easy to overcome not having your own stuff.



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[gunther37]

lets just throw the mail man into the discount why don't we?

Why not?
Federal, risk his life eveyday bringing checks too the hood.
Deals with bad weather, does not carry a gun but could he use one?

postal inspector maybe?

i know a letter carrier is not a postal inspector but a regular emt is not a paramedic neither.

i see the difference, do you?

 

[gunther37]

Very well put Cpt. Wallace! I've witnessed many calls where EMT/Fire personnel respond and the patient is "MH4" or totally drugged out. It's not a job that I would like to have. I have also heard about many EMT/Fire personnel responding to incidents and get shot at while trying to do their job. I could imagine the surprise of the BG when they're popping shots off at the EMT/Fire personnel and they return fire. :haha:

As I stated earlier, I have taught a few NRA classes without using my firearms. It helps if you have your own stuff, but get creative and it's easy to overcome not having your own stuff.



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thought emt had to wait for police to arrive first or atleast be escorted by police.

emt's are not suppose to run into a bank under siege and treat the hostages while they are still in the bad guys posession while the cops are still outside negotiating.

according to stump jumper emt's don't wait no matter what!

 

[gunther37]

you are whacked in the head, first we are regular emt/firefighters, then we are somehow considered law enforcement, now we are civilians, wake up and smell the coffee we are all civilians including yourself. you are no longer military cause if you were you would recieve a discount and this tread would never have been started by you. WE ARE ALL CIVILIANS

you are the one that keeps saying emt's should get the military discount when they are considered civillians.

check your head for your own whackiness my friend

 

[stumpjumper101]

first we respond into things that undertrained and underpaid dispatcher send us to sometimes not getting the full story so they dont know its a domestic until we arrive and find out we walked into a unstable situation,check out the tread about the kidnapped victim that the dispatcher lectured for creating all this work but she was found dead later ( maybe that will help paint the picture). second at no point have i said we are military or law enforcement or that we even want or ask or deserve a discount, and 3rd emt is a level of paramedic all paramedic s are emts.. EMTB for basic, EMTe for enhanced, EMTI for intermediate, EMTP for paramedic we all have to obtain the first to get to the last. I am an EMTP by choice because i want to be able to provide the highest level of care to my patients possible. if nothig else out of all this you will get an education of all the emt levels

 

[gunther37]

first we respond into things that undertrained and underpaid dispatcher send us to sometimes not getting the full story so they dont know its a domestic until we arrive and find out we walked into a unstable situation,check out the tread about the kidnapped victim that the dispatcher lectured for creating all this work but she was found dead later ( maybe that will help paint the picture). second at no point have i said we are military or law enforcement or that we even want or ask or deserve a discount, and 3rd emt is a level of paramedic all paramedic s are emts.. EMTB for basic, EMTe for enhanced, EMTI for intermediate, EMTP for paramedic we all have to obtain the first to get to the last. I am an EMTP by choice because i want to be able to provide the highest level of care to my patients possible. if nothig else out of all this you will get an education of all the emt levels

ok smart guy.

i know the difference.

The biggest differences between paramedics and EMTs are the training and the scope of practice (what they are allowed to do). Basic EMTs usually receive 120 - 150 hours of training, while paramedics get anywhere from 1,200 hours to 1,800 hours of training. Paramedic programs often award two-year degrees.

so i wouldnt call the basic emt a paramedic but you could probably get away with vice versa.

 

[gunther37]

ok smart guy.

i know the difference.

The biggest differences between paramedics and EMTs are the training and the scope of practice (what they are allowed to do). Basic EMTs usually receive 120 - 150 hours of training, while paramedics get anywhere from 1,200 hours to 1,800 hours of training. Paramedic programs often award two-year degrees.

so i wouldnt call the basic emt a paramedic but you could probably get away with vice versa.

ofcourse you are the highest level.

but you are still a civillian and should not be considered in a military discount since you are not allowed to carry a gun to the scene anyways. punk!

 

[gunther37]

first we respond into things that undertrained and underpaid dispatcher send us to sometimes not getting the full story so they dont know its a domestic until we arrive and find out we walked into a unstable situation,check out the tread about the kidnapped victim that the dispatcher lectured for creating all this work but she was found dead later ( maybe that will help paint the picture). second at no point have i said we are military or law enforcement or that we even want or ask or deserve a discount, and 3rd emt is a level of paramedic all paramedic s are emts.. EMTB for basic, EMTe for enhanced, EMTI for intermediate, EMTP for paramedic we all have to obtain the first to get to the last. I am an EMTP by choice because i want to be able to provide the highest level of care to my patients possible. if nothig else out of all this you will get an education of all the emt levels

and since you are preach about staying on topic.

basic emt's is where the thread started with.

so the dispatcher gives you the wrong info and you run into the bank and shoot the bad guys?

hmmmmm i see