Dissarmed by officer upon traffic stop ? Wilson NC. WTF ?

[Wesco]

I agree. While she was in the wrong as far as driving laws go, you escalated the situation by how inappropriate your actions were. While I admit that it would be frustrating to do, it would have been in your best interest to simply let it go. Two wrongs don't make a right.

As far as the way you acted in front of your daughter, I will give you a break. Sometimes its hard to suppress our actions and tongues in front of our children, however you should strive to be a good role model. Instead of sharing knowledge of road laws regarding free rights on red I would have discussed diffusing road anger when people do stupid things, like cut you off. However justified, anger on the road is no way to go.

As for the officer disarming you, yes it was probably a little bit excessive; however I would rather that our officer's be on the more cautious side then to underestimate there adversaries.

Glad it turned out well for you in the end.

 

[BIGJOHN621]

One comment I left out of my original post. Do you understand why you were disarmed this time and not the other times you have had interactions with LE?

The answer, just based on your narrative, is that a complaint was made about you and you were being investigated as the possible perpetrator of a crime. No good investigator will guess what the outcome will be, good or bad, until the facts are discovered. Until then, take precautions. The investigation MAY have resulted in your arrest. At that point, it may be too late to safely disarm you without escalation of force and risk. Therefore, the LEO took precautions. He did his job.

Good luck and learn from it. I saw your response about you not following, etc. I respectfully stand by my last statement that you would have no self defense claim protection due to your escalation, or implied escalation of the event.

In any case, thanks for sharing the story, even though it may bring you some criticism, it gives us all something to learn from as we all face these types of folks on the road every day.

 

[Agent Green]

The OP sucks as a driver and carrier. Not too impressed with him as a father either. Nuff said.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Right or wrong I see them dumb ass driver everyday. I just let it go. My town has a 4 way stop where seems everyone on the left just speeds up instead of coming to a complete stop. It's tough but my blood pressure would explode if I let all them dumbasses get to me. I know it's tough but don't let it ruin your day.

And in this thread we got to read about 2 dumb ass drivers.

The OP sucks as a driver and carrier. Not too impressed with him as a father either. Nuff said.

Yep.

 

[Wesco]

Voice your opinions guys, but I don't think attacking his driving abilities and parenting with these types of remarks is any better then the OP actions and reactions to the situation. You can share your thoughts and still be respectful and thoughtful of others.

IMHO.

 

[dc1263]

Attacking me / my character / my abilities as a father are not appreciated, seems that many of you here are no better than what you claim me to be.

For the others, Thanks for the input,,,

Last edited by dc1263; Today at 08:59 AM. Reason: Post deleted by member for unnecessary personal attacks

 

[Nightmare45]

Would have had a heart attack or worse many times if I let drivers piss me off, I endure in silence and move on. On stops by officers that are informed about my CCL, I inform them I am carrying (Texas Required). Only thing I do different if they wish to disarm me is ask " are you familiar with the safety's on a colt (cocked and locked). Reason is had an officer that was unfamiliar wave the gun all over himself and wife at a stop. Peace, Love, Colt 45.

 

[USN2Pulpit]

Good Thread

Although there may have been a few personal things said to the OP (maybe not necessary), the thread is still a good one. This is the kind of exchange - if done respectfully - that we can all learn from. Give the OP a break. We all learn from experience - and the experiences of others. That is, if we are humble enough to learn.

To the OP: thanks for posting this...even if the thread was tough on you.

 

[jon@hmbgny]

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Attacking me / my character / my abilities as a father are not appreciated, seems that many of you here are no better than what you claim me to be.

For the others, Thanks for the input,,,

i didnt get too view the original post so im not getting it

 

[Tucker's Mom]

I agree...what he was on about actually was this officer disarming him, not his ability to be a good dad. My husband used to be like that (maybe worst...) until my sons and I ganged up on him and told him that he was not the best gun in town just because of the circumstances of his "position" in life. He had mellowed now. We all learned from our mistakes.

I too am glad that nothing really bad happened to dc1263 and his daughter and they are able to go home alive. There are really some bad drivers around, some are hot-heads too like that lady...she was in the wrong in the first place.

 

[Treo]

As soon as I strap on a gun I give up the right to lose my temper. I give up the right to make smart aleck comments to passers by. I give up the right to do anything that may escalate any situation I’m in. Any altercation I’m in is a gun fight because there at least one gun involved, mine. Once you open your mouth to a stranger you lose all control of where that interaction is going to go.

 

[Firefighterchen]

To the OP:

Hindsight is 20/20. You acted inappropriately. You know better now hopefully.

The horn should of been used to signify the danger the other driver put you in, that's what its there for. If you really felt that angered, because the other driver put you and your daughters life in danger, call 911 and report a reckless driver talking on her cell phone, that's the only way to get these dangerous drivers off the road.

As far as being disarmed. Because you live in a notification state, you run that risk every time you talk to an officer. If you feel strongly about that part of your incident, there are procedures to complain about an officer. Might look into that. I'm just glad I live in a non notification state, so I don't have to deal with that particular problem.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I am normally the last one to say that a police officer is justified in disarming a person who is lawfully carrying a firearm. In this instance, I believe the officer was completely justified. The OP committed an act of road rage and that is what got reported to the police. That goes beyond a simple traffic stop for speeding or rolling through a stop sign.

I think the fact that the OP removed his confession of road rage from his OP speaks for itself.

Actually, though, I am going to edit this upon more reflection. While the OP admitted here to committing road rage, exactly what real evidence did the officer have at the time of the stop? Does a single report of the instance by a civilian rise to the level of Reasonable Suspicion if the responding officer has no other evidence that anything occurred? I can call 911 and report anything, does that give a police officer the Reasonable Suspicion required to stop and detain someone based on a single phone call?

 

[Flanmedic51]

I am normally the last one to say that a police officer is justified in disarming a person who is lawfully carrying a firearm. In this instance, I believe the officer was completely justified. The OP committed an act of road rage and that is what got reported to the police. That goes beyond a simple traffic stop for speeding or rolling through a stop sign.

I think the fact that the OP removed his confession of road rage from his OP speaks for itself.

Actually, though, I am going to edit this upon more reflection. While the OP admitted here to committing road rage, exactly what real evidence did the officer have at the time of the stop? Does a single report of the instance by a civilian rise to the level of Reasonable Suspicion if the responding officer has no other evidence that anything occurred? I can call 911 and report anything, does that give a police officer the Reasonable Suspicion required to stop and detain someone based on a single phone call?

I'm regards to your last question: yes. At least where I live and I can't imagine it would change state to state. The LEO has to investigate each complaint and if someone is driving like an a hole it could be an OUI situation and putting the public further at risk. Where I live LEOs respond to dozens of vehicle complaints a day...I'm sure its monotonous but nabbing a drunk driver every so often is a good thing. Or cooling off an aggressive driver as well...

 

[BuddhaKat]

As soon as I strap on a gun I give up the right to lose my temper. I give up the right to make smart aleck comments to passers by. I give up the right to do anything that may escalate any situation I’m in. Any altercation I’m in is a gun fight because there at least one gun involved, mine. Once you open your mouth to a stranger you lose all control of where that interaction is going to go.

Wise words indeed. Think I'll put them in my signature of you don't mind.

Edit: Oh well, I tried but the forum won't let me have a sig that long. Too bad, it's a good one. I'll use it on my forum though

 

[Treo]

Wise words indeed. Think I'll put them in my signature of you don't mind.

Edit: Oh well, I tried but the forum won't let me have a sig that long. Too bad, it's a good one. I'll use it on my forum though

By all means feel free

 

[NavyLCDR]

I'm regards to your last question: yes. At least where I live and I can't imagine it would change state to state. The LEO has to investigate each complaint and if someone is driving like an a hole it could be an OUI situation and putting the public further at risk. Where I live LEOs respond to dozens of vehicle complaints a day...I'm sure its monotonous but nabbing a drunk driver every so often is a good thing. Or cooling off an aggressive driver as well...

1. Police officers are not required to investigate every complaint. Please provide a citation that says they are.

2. An investigation can be made without detaining or communicating with anybody. The OP's situation was clearly an official detainment as he was stopped in a manner in which he could not legally leave the encounter with the police officer. The officer could have located the suspect vehicle and followed long enough to either develop real reasonable suspicion under which to effect the detainment, or sign off the call as subject observed and nothing observed to provide reasonable suspicion required to detain the subject.

3. So, according to you I could say that I saw you leave a store, cover up a handgun with your jacket as you were getting in your car, provide a license plate, direction of travel and even follow you to give location updates and a police officer would be OBLIGATED to stop you and detain you to ask about the gun that I claimed to see? Or, I could just say that you were driving like an A-Hole and that would OBLIGATE a LEO to stop and detain you?

4. And if you want to reply about making a false 911 report is illegal.... someone calls 911 about my driving, officer DETAINS me under your definition of reasonable suspicion because of the 911 call....now I tell the officer - nope, haven't done anything like that since I was about 18 almost 30 years ago, the caller must have made it up and made a false report. Does that now OBLIGATE the officer to detain, under the reasonable suspicion that I just provided the officer according to you, and investigate the 911 caller?

 

[tcox4freedom]

Well it appears the OP didn't like to hear the truth.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Well it appears the OP didn't like to hear the truth.

There are lots of members on this forum who don't like to hear the truth.

 

[Flanmedic51]

1. Police officers are not required to investigate every complaint. Please provide a citation that says they are.

2. An investigation can be made without detaining or communicating with anybody. The OP's situation was clearly an official detainment as he was stopped in a manner in which he could not legally leave the encounter with the police officer. The officer could have located the suspect vehicle and followed long enough to either develop real reasonable suspicion under which to effect the detainment, or sign off the call as subject observed and nothing observed to provide reasonable suspicion required to detain the subject.

3. So, according to you I could say that I saw you leave a store, cover up a handgun with your jacket as you were getting in your car, provide a license plate, direction of travel and even follow you to give location updates and a police officer would be OBLIGATED to stop you and detain you to ask about the gun that I claimed to see? Or, I could just say that you were driving like an A-Hole and that would OBLIGATE a LEO to stop and detain you?

4. And if you want to reply about making a false 911 report is illegal.... someone calls 911 about my driving, officer DETAINS me under your definition of reasonable suspicion because of the 911 call....now I tell the officer - nope, haven't done anything like that since I was about 18 almost 30 years ago, the caller must have made it up and made a false report. Does that now OBLIGATE the officer to detain, under the reasonable suspicion that I just provided the officer according to you, and investigate the 911 caller?

They are obligated to ANSWER every complaint per their availability, priority of calls and if they are in the area as in a traffic complaint. If not, the call is often deferred to a different agency to follow up on. As far as the OP is concerned, I don't know that particular agency's policies so I can't answer for that cop. But The cop was able to stop the suspect vehicle and I would assume that there was detainment due to the operator having a weapon and with investigating a possible erratic vehicle/road rage complaint, it would be a pretty good thing for that person to be disarmed before being questioned per the LEOs safety. That seems like common sense...and also no infringement on anyone's rights. It's a LE investigation....you're making into a rights issue here and I'm not quite sure why you chronically do that.