Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
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Blueshell
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We lose either way. By making a perches we're giving money to anti-gun, and by taking our buisness elsewhere we are tolerating the no-gun policy.
The only win condition is to ban all such policies by law.
Axeanda45
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So, my LIVING MY LIFE AS A FREE MAN, spending my money anywhere I wish, ignoring any laws that the CONSTITUTION trumps, ignoring stupid rules that 99% of the time I dont even know or care about (I dont look for or follow antigun signs), am now a hypocrite? WOW...... so happy i got THAT IMPORTANT INFORMATION from you internet gods of the 2nd amendment... I might have just fell over dead if I didnt receive such important news.....
ALL THE WHILE, YOU WILL GO ON BELITTLING ANYONE WITH BIGGER BALLS THAN YOURSELVES, AND HIDE FROM DA MAN EVERY TIME YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE BREAKING ONE OF THOSE PESKY "LAWS" YOU KEEP HARPING ON..... AND RIDICULING THOSE WHO ACTUALLY PRACTICE THE 2ND IN WAYS YOU SHUDDER TO EVEN THINK ABOUT.....
And I am the hypocrite/non-2nd supporter??????????? I have heard it all now, lmmfaoaaoy (laughingmymotherfuckingassoffatallofyou)
BTW.... IGNORING stupid rules/laws make them non-relevant/of no affect..... by FOLLOWING those rules/laws, YOU ARE THE ONES SUPPORTING THEM..... Who are the ACTUAL 2nd Amendment hypocrites here?
ALL THE WHILE, YOU WILL GO ON BELITTLING ANYONE WITH BIGGER BALLS THAN YOURSELVES, AND HIDE FROM DA MAN EVERY TIME YOU THINK YOU MIGHT BE BREAKING ONE OF THOSE PESKY "LAWS" YOU KEEP HARPING ON..... AND RIDICULING THOSE WHO ACTUALLY PRACTICE THE 2ND IN WAYS YOU SHUDDER TO EVEN THINK ABOUT.....
And I am the hypocrite/non-2nd supporter??????????? I have heard it all now, lmmfaoaaoy (laughingmymotherfuckingassoffatallofyou)
BTW.... IGNORING stupid rules/laws make them non-relevant/of no affect..... by FOLLOWING those rules/laws, YOU ARE THE ONES SUPPORTING THEM..... Who are the ACTUAL 2nd Amendment hypocrites here?
Firefighterchen
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Next time capitalize every other letter...then I'll know you serious...
So...I suppose because bloomberg is a free man to spend his money wherever he wants, and I bet he owns firearms... He must be pro 2A then...
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So...I suppose because bloomberg is a free man to spend his money wherever he wants, and I bet he owns firearms... He must be pro 2A then...
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Rhino
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I assume that isn't really directed at me since I didn't do any of that, but I understand what you were angry about.
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No, he said people aren't truly 2nd amendment supporters unless they keep their mouths shut when they "didn't approve of" the way he exercised his 2nd amendment rights. That's disagreement. He didn't mention the grief or any other treatment he'd received at all, though I'm sure that's what influenced him to make the remark. That's why I commented on the frustration and the way things had been going. You're reading sentiments from other posts into his remarks in this one. And like I said, those sentiments undoubtedly influenced him, but that wasn't the way he phrased the remark. I don't think he really meant it the way he wrote it. That's why I gave the remark a pass, as I also mentioned.
Someone needs to take their meds......
Blueshell
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Why would anyone who supports the 2nd amendment want to voice opposition to how someone excersizes their right anyway? As long as it's legal, why open your mouth at all? I don't see what that accomplishes.
Rhino
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I didn't enter that particular debate. But I suppose the impetus is the power of the pocketbook, to give monetary support to those who support your rights. The theory would follow that the monetary pressure would hopefully prompt some business owners to alter their stance on allowing carry. Whether or not that would happen is something of a crapshoot because there's a myriad of different markets and monetary effects on business owners. Plus, if the owner never knows he's losing that business, then you've never really accomplished anything as far as affecting any change goes. You've just felt better about where you spent your money. That's the basic theory I'm assuming anyway, because, as I said, I never entered into that debate. You'd have to pose that question to someone else here who did.
Firefighterchen
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I think the subject changed from exercising their 2A, to exercising their principal and not spending money on stores who oppose the 2A. I haven't heard anyone oppose not carrying if it's legal, but I have heard a lot of opposition about spending money in the wrong places.
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Firefighterchen
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Just to clarify...a gun owner can buy this shirt and not be financially supporting gun control right?
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Axeanda45
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well well..... ANOTHER SICK EXAMPLE of someone with no clue, and using liberal tactics and misdirection.... Please enlighten us how buying a tshirt from an organization that exists purely as an anti 2nd amendment entity equals buying a soda at a convenience store that happens to have a no guns sign near the door..... if that is all you can come up with, you aint got chit...
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Firefighterchen
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They are free to spend their money wherever they want bro. product is product.
If I saw you walking out of a Starbucks holding a drink, I would think the same of you if you were wearing that shirt.
Stop the ad hominem alinsky crap, stick to valid arguments.
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Axeanda45
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I am not the one who cannot fathom the difference .... YOU gave the stupid example that was so far off in the first place.... stop trying to hide/misdirect and answer why YOU THOUGHT your example was a valid one....
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Back to the original question. I have a concealed weapon, I go in and do my business, I leave. I am happy and the business is happy. COSTCO has a no weapons policy, if the see it, they ask you to leave, if the don't they won't. They also don't post it at the door either. Hey ya all happy Independence Day
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IMO, there is a huge difference between gun owners buying that shirt vs. gun owners shopping at an anti-gun establishment like costco:
Gun owners who buy that shirt are at least honest about how they are supporting an anti-gun organization.
Gun owners who buy from anti-gun establishments like costco hide behind obfuscation, feigned ignorance (like mr. isgavo above) and - as clearly evidenced in this thread alone - personal attacks and pretty much total irrationality.
Freedom to spend your money where you see fit as gun owners in no way implies freedom from being called on your hypocrisy. If you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen - or better yet - go back to du where you belong.
Axeanda45
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Calling someone a hypocrite while they are actually exercising their 2nd amendment rights in more ways than you have the balls to ever do is very laughable.... you are really an example of hypocrisy for even suggeting different... IT IS ONLY YOUR OPINION THAT WHAT I DO IS HYPOCRISY.... In the REAL WORLD, I in no way shape or form come close to being a hypocrite........
It is telling when people like you put out your OPINIONS as fact, yet you have no clue what the words you are using actually mean..... You think that by ignoring stupid rules and laws equal hypocrisy, how sad...... I bet you only go armed where you have personally asked the property owners permission in writing.... and you call others who do differently hypocrites.... At least I CARRY EVERYWHERE I GO, I am not a ***** like most of you, who faint at the idea of actually being a man and ignore unconstitutional laws and rules. Perhaps you should go back down into mommies basement and let the men continue their conversation...
Firefighterchen
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First line of the quoted response, read it again why it's a valid argument.
"Your 'real world' isn't hypocritical," that's your opinion, not fact. In the REAL real world, it is hypocritical...just like all the gun owners who think a permit is a Right. You can't have it both ways, you can't financially support anti gun stores and not be a hypocritical pro gunner. BTW, everyone is a hypocrite to some degree.
I carry everywhere I go too. I don't have a permit either. so far equal yeah?
I try not to financially support businesses who vocally oppose the 2A. I also try to not to sound like stengun. looks like your falling behind....
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Axeanda45
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Being a hypocrite is to believe one thing and to do another.... I DO NOT CONSIDER MY BUYING SOMETHING WHERE THEY DONT LIKE GUNS IS ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM "SUPPORTING" THAT BUSINESS OWNERS VIEWS.... YOU, AND THOSE LIKE YOU CLAIM IT IS HYPOCRITICAL TO DO SO..... I KNOW IT IS NOT.... YOU YOURSELF JUST PROVED THAT YOU ARE IN FACT A HYPOCRITE BECAUSE YOU KUST ADMITTED TO DOING WHAT YOU ARE CALLING ME ONE FOR DOING.... MY GOD DUDE, GET A CLUE
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Firefighterchen
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We're all hypocrites to some degree, in different areas of life. In many of our opinions, your hypocritical decision is to support anti gun businesses, they appreciate your support.
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BluesStringer
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I can't remember whether I ever knew the answer to this question or not, but don't you live in N. Bama where the only Costco (that I know of) in the area is in Huntsville? If I am remembering that right, have you ever tried to OC in Costco? I'm pretty sure that I remember that you were OC'ing, or at least involved in trying to normalize the practice, for quite awhile before the 2013 change in the law. I've only been doing it since after that law went into effect, but being as one of the benefits of my wife's last and current jobs was a paid membership at Costco, we did do quite a bit of shopping there over the last six or seven years. Since Aug. of 2013, I OC'ed every time I went and nobody said a word to me about it. Don't live up there anymore and there's no Costco (again, that I know of) anywhere around here (a little outside of Dothan), so we don't shop there anymore, but I gotta say, all this character assassination over where someone chooses to shop for whatever reason(s) they deem appropriate for their own lives ain't helping anything at all. I'm no hypocrite, and I sure as Hell ain't no refugee from DU. What I am is a man who spent the better part of the last 40 years trying to convince government what my rights are and trying to stop them in any way I can think of from overstepping their authorities in controlling my rights, all while taking no issue at all with private citizens and/or companies exercising their property rights as they see fit.
Between maybe '94 or '95 and 2008, my wife and I both worked the off-season of our own business at Domino's, she as a manager and me as a driver. The guy we worked for had several stores, was a devout Christian, was a former Marine and he had a huge collection of guns. In fact, we met the guy while at the range one day, and him knowing that the business we had at the time was seasonal, introduced himself and we shot both paper and the bull all day that day, with a casual invite to come to work for him in our off-season if we wanted and/or needed to. After going to work for him, he thought highly enough of our combined work ethic that when we asked him about training to become franchisees, he not only offered that program right off the bat, but offered to sell one of his stores to us, and carry the paper for up to 10 years to boot. Domino's is not anti-gun from a political perspective - they've never made a corporate-level public statement that I've ever heard saying anything about not wanting their customers to carry - but they do have a very strict no-guns-inside-the-stores by employees or franchisees. After much thought and soul-searching we decided not to franchise with Domino's, but it had nothing to do with their gun policies. As an employee, I ignored their no-guns policy, at least for the bulk of the time I worked there. I never asked the owner, and he is/was kind of a portly fellow so I couldn't say for sure, but it would surprise me to find out that he, likewise, didn't ignore the policy. Was he a hypocrite or reject from DU? Was I for deigning to earn some extra cash during the off-season of my business? Would I likewise have been either of those things if I deigned to buy a very lucrative franchise even though corporate had some anti-gun policies?
The thing is, a franchise business like Chipotle for instance, more likely than not is not owned by an anti-gun franchisee. The owner in the Dallas store where all the uproar eventually caused corporate to impose a system-wide ban on OC was fully on-board with OCT. They were invited to be there. Assuming the same owner is there now, that store is no more "anti-gun" than you or I, but what I'm reading here suggests the guy should be shamed into having to give up his franchise because of policies that corporate imposes upon him, lest he be called a hypocrite or told he belongs "back" at DU "where he belongs." That's some screwed up stuff right there.
Though I almost always find myself wishing that Axe could find less in-your-face ways of expressing himself, even on the one or two issues we have consistently disagreed with each other on, I find it ludicrous to say or imply that he's anti-gun, a hypocrite or a refugee from DU just because he patronizes businesses owned by people with whom he has disagreements about gun issues. Not that you named Axe as the target of the post I quoted above, but whomever that stuff was aimed at really doesn't deserve it just over their own personal choices about where to shop. The Mommies shirt was a rather overblown analogy too.
Seems we all could benefit from lightening up. I consider myself strongly allied, if not as good a friend as people can get to be from only internet interaction, with most of the regulars who have posted in this sub-thread of the thread, and because of that I don't enjoy taking this contrary position to the majority one being promulgated, but contrary my position is. It's not unusual for me to agree with Axe, but in this case with some of the participants aligned against him being folks with whom I almost never take a contrary stance, it is more difficult than usual. Be that as it may, minus all the talk about who's got big enough balls to carry this way or that way, or this place or that place, I'm with Axe on this one.
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