Don't forget about Ebay and Amazon.com....both anti-RKBA.
Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?
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Don't forget about Ebay and Amazon.com....both anti-RKBA.
Rhino
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I didn't want to paste the whole post but I thought this was the best sentiment I wanted to echo. I very much disagree with the confrontational style that Axeanda uses in many of his posts, and we might disagree on some topics here occasionally, but I know enough about his attitudes and opinions to know that he's absolutely not anti-gun. I know people get carried away with their use of terminology when in the heat of debate, particularly when using generalizations, but I think it ridiculous to characterize him that way. I don't patronize anti-gun businesses when I can help it (sometimes I have no other option), so we don't see eye to eye on that point, but that doesn't make him anti-gun. To be a hypocrite he'd have to behave in a manner that is inconsistent with his beliefs, but he isn't doing that. People are calling him a hypocrite because he isn't behaving in a manner that is consistent with THEIR beliefs, not with his. It's not the same thing. If you disagree with him, just say so. I disagree with him. I also think he does a disservice to our cause of promoting the 2nd amendment, and admittedly I don't like that. But it would be unfair for me to call him a hypocrite for contradicting MY beliefs, and it would be rude for me to personally attack him because he believes differently than I do. All I can do is disagree.
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In most cases I'd voice that disagreement in this thread, not because I'd think it would persuade him otherwise, but because I'd want anyone else reading the thread to see both sides of the issue. That isn't necessary here because others have already covered all sides. That's why I was telling Blueshell earlier that I'd given one of Axeanda's comments a pass. It just wasn't necessary to address it because I knew he didn't mean it exactly the way it was written, and others had already made the arguments to support the other side of the story.
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Normally I would also address the kind of annoying, confrontational, and often insulting style that Axeanda uses. But this too is one of those areas where I know him well enough to realize it likely would do no good, especially in a thread where he had been poked at so many times.
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BluesStringer has it absolutely right. We could all benefit from lightening up. None of this is going to change Axeanda's mind. And he really isn't as biased against 2nd amendment support as so many people here seem to think he is. Even though I too disagree with him on this particular issue, he isn't anti-gun, and he does support the 2nd amendment. He'd also probably leap at the chance to support the 2nd amendment against those same anti-gun retailers if a different avenue to do so was available to him. And that's really it for him in a nutshell. He just wants a different avenue of support, not no avenue at all. All we're doing here is just pissing each other off and making enemies out of allies.
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I can't tell anybody what to do, but I think things would be a lot nicer around here if we could drop the volume and animosity levels. And Axeanda, things would probably be a lot nicer for you if you could curb that tongue a bit. Just sayin'.
golddigger14s
SFC At Fort Lewis, WA
OMG 553 posts going.......... absolutely NO where!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IRC, you and I used to live in the same town: Madison, AL. Now, I live in SC TN.
I started OCing right around March 2011. I moved to TN, Oct. 2013. No change to OCing since 2011 except for perhaps changing out 329PD in mid-2011 (carried a G23 while the 329 was being reframed).
I've never carried in a costco because I've always known they are antigun, even when I lived in Seattle, +25 years before.
OC'd in Sams a couple weeks ago, bought over $400 of stuff for our BBQ a couple weeks ago. OC'd in Walmart today, a total of ZFG while I was there.
I hope this answers your question, if not, post it again; maybe I'll see it when I'm not 3 sheetstothewind,,,,,
Blueshell
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Thank goodness for all those signs stopping criminals.
Why post a sign banning guns when you can just post a sign banning crime? Problem solved.
Axeanda45
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Even IF a 'sign is posted" I STILL DO THAT.....and my family is protected EVERYWHERE I GO....... not just places without signs, and THAT is what is ACTUALLY important...
Blueshell
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Yeah, signs don't stop me either.
My point about irrationality: I rest my case.
wuzfuz
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I do, because they won't know it if I don't tell them. In Arizona and Washington, the only thing they can do if they realize you are armed is ask you to leave, if you don't you are guilty of trespass. If, for some reason, they can detect my weapon, I leave, and spend my money somewhere my Second Amendment rights are respected. A long time ago I swore a sacred oath to protect and defend our Constitution. I may have left the sheriff's office, but no one has ever relieved me of my duties under that oath. today, I consider myself a sheepdog, ready and able to protect the sheeple from the wolves of pour society.
Axeanda45
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What case is that? The one where I am correct and you are wrong? If you would actually read what I wrote, you would see that I DO NOT MEET THE DEFINITION OF A HYPOCRITE..... so, you havent proven your point at all, all you have done is proven you cannot read or comprehend written words....
I would check state law, in Arizona it is the businesses right to bar guns from their locations and should be obeyed. Here in Tucson I have only run into three posted locations (thank God) of course Arizona is a constitutional carry state which may be more or less that guns are more excepted as I CC every day and place where it is accepted and have never had a problem, one hospital that I have to go to is posted and I leave the gun in the car there. Regardless of your mind set, it is against the law in this state which by the way as a former business owner I agree with. Semper Fi, J.
I try to follow the law as best I can. What I mean by that is sometimes I wind up in a situation where it's better to stay concealed and violate the business owners wishes rather than comply. I ride my motorcycle a lot. It would cause less of an issue for me to keep my gun concealed than to pull it while in the parking lot. Then putting it back in concealment in the open is not wise either. The only time I choke it up and do it anyway is when I have to enter a Federal Building, Courthouse, or Police station. I'm not taking my chances there. The penalties are too steep for me to deal with. At those places the soccer moms will just have to be uncomfortable while I move the pistol from my waistband to the saddle bag.
Rhino
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Your opening lines had me thinking we were in the same boat, but my situation is a little bit different. I also have times when it's better to carry despite business owners' wishes, but not for the reasons you cite. My wife likes to go to the movies sometimes but there is no movie theater anywhere in our vicinity that allows the carry of firearms. Apparently theater owners are stupid enough to think their little signs will keep bad guys away. But we all knew how ridiculous that notion was even before the events in Aurora, Colorado. I can't simply let my wife sit unprotected because some mental moron has decided to offer up a theater full of weak sheeple for the slaughter.
Stengun
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Howdy,
Kinda back OT:
Over the weekend Ginger and I went to Tunica, MS for a 3 day weekend of gambling, drinking and eating. ( It's ok, we're Liberals so it's ok if we drink and gamble.)
We stayed at the Gold Strike and in the same group sits the Horseshoe and the Roadhouse.
The Horseshoe and Roadhouse are owned by the same group that owns Harrah's and have a strict "No guns" policy. They are not even allowed on their property.
The Gold Strike doesn't have this policy so we stay there instead. of course I cannot take my Glock into the casino but I can have it in the hotel/resort area.
Horseshoe and Roadhouse: No gun = No business from me.
Paul
Kinda back OT:
Over the weekend Ginger and I went to Tunica, MS for a 3 day weekend of gambling, drinking and eating. ( It's ok, we're Liberals so it's ok if we drink and gamble.)
We stayed at the Gold Strike and in the same group sits the Horseshoe and the Roadhouse.
The Horseshoe and Roadhouse are owned by the same group that owns Harrah's and have a strict "No guns" policy. They are not even allowed on their property.
The Gold Strike doesn't have this policy so we stay there instead. of course I cannot take my Glock into the casino but I can have it in the hotel/resort area.
Horseshoe and Roadhouse: No gun = No business from me.
Paul
Blueshell
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Just carried into a posted businesses yesterday. A movie theater. I couldn't see the entrance from where we parked to know before I got to the door, and I had no way to store the gun anyway since it wasn't my car.Maybe a crazy question but I wanted to hear what some of you think and/or do about this. Do any of you still carry into a business that has a "No Handguns" sign posted?
I personally always want to follow the laws. I would never want to jeopardize loosing my permit nor give conceal carry holders a bad name. There are enough people looking for any excise to take our guns away.
However, some business that are posted I just don't agree withlike say The Movie Theater. There was a little small no handguns sign that I had to actually look hard for on the side window of the ticket booth. Not on the front window of the booth and not on any of the doors but on the side window right next to the "no cell phone" sign (yea right, no cell phone). I almost missed the stupid no gun sign.
I took my gun back to my truck and went to see the movie anyway. Before I left, I actually talked to the Manager after the movies and brought up the question as to what would happen to someone who brought their CC weapon in even thought it was posted not to. Then come some crazy person, mad at the world with his gun and starts shooting. That make the CC holder have to pull their weapon to protect people and or themselves. The "bad guy" was shot, hurt and/or killed. Would they press charges against the CC holder for bringing their weapon in when they had a no handgun policy or would they overlook the fact the carried CC holder saved lives and or their own life.
The manager said "Good question, I'll have to ask my boss and see what they say." I haven't heard back yet. Go figure, but I'm going to push it and see what kind of answer they come up with.
What do you do? Carry in anyway? Put your weapon back in the car and go in? Just don't do business with them and go somewhere else that allows you to carry?
Have a blessed evening!
HappeScrapn
So I carried past a sign. And nothing happened. No one died. The world didn't end. The movie was great.
Rhino
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Is there some alternate universe where that is supposed to make sense?
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That's good to know for the future. Thanks.
Rhino
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And after the events in Louisiana last night, we all know why you and I do what we do.
DavidWhite
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