Michael Brown

[AndeyHall]

Everyone wanting the blood of a cop is evident by the thousands of protesters all over the country. Everyone on the side of this thug, is also a thug... wanting to get over.. proof is the mentality of those in Ferguson.. those 61 people who live there that were arresting in the commission of a riot, arson, and theft are all those typical people of color who just want to get over.... why is it so hard to live with the notion that this Black kid ( 6'5 300 lbs, )was an arrogant bully... all the testimony points to him being a low life... his felony attack on a police officer, as the physical evidence proves was enough for him to be arrested, let alone the robbery of the quick mart... why are so many people painting this kid as a good guy.... Where is the evidence of that??? Once Brown threw a punch in the car, Wilson was on the receiving end of a felon assault.
the Brown family is so stupid that Michael browns best asset was his size.. why wasn't he cramming for college entrance in a football scholarship program... the reason is, he was a dumb bully , a thief, a thug, and a gross underachiever, with no aspirations towards the better future of getting out of Ferguson..
The evidence of racism could not be more prevalent in this black culture, then the proof of their action when the world is always pushing back against their morals and ethics.. All the preachers and community leaders that just want the blood of( the Man) Officer Wilson... The only injustice here was the injustice put on Officer Wilson by the black community... they lost this one, they lost Trayvon Martin, Bill Cosby is finally getting what he deserves, and so is OJ Simpson and the thousands and thousand that fill the jails and penitentiaries of this country...They want respect???? that is a joke... these violent protest just burry them deeper into the culture backwash they, themselves produce... who wants to support, such a misguided group of individuals... All they want to do is get over.... they " think the world is out to get them, and even in the face of all the evidence, they still don't get it... does anyone actually think that Michael brown was incapable of doing the things the evidence supports... and where is the evidence that Officer Wilson was a rogue cop looking to shoot a kid.. For me the only tears I shed is for the miscarriage of justice that Officer Wilson has endured in doing his job...
IM just fed up with this Black culture proclaiming they are victims.... they are the problem.......not the society that most of us subscribe too as being the best in the world...our laws and our do process is better then anywhere in the world... and where are the parents of the protestors??? would any sane person allow their son or daughter to go into an area where the potential for anything, could happen... the government should have declared marshal law and anyone caught in an area where arson, looting, and destruction was eviden,t should have been arrested as a conspirator...too many thugs in Ferguson.. too many hoping for the chance to rob the liquor store... one quote from a Ferguson citizen.. " lets burn this Morher---- down.... MY question is why???? what did the merchants do to cause citizen of the community to destroy their own community... its just a stupid scenario caused by very stupid people... where is a logic...?? one black official said the system is broken... the only thing that is broken, is the idea that black people can break the law at will, because they are black...

I have long said that although they claim there is still not equality, I believe the problem lies with them refusing to take "yes" for an answer. They don't want equality because then they must be held accountable for their shortcomings. That's not me being racist or saying that they can't do great things, it is simply me saying that they have had more than enough opportunity to make more ground than they have.

 

[AndeyHall]

Baden's report said that one of the wounds in the arm could've been sustained while his back was turned to Wilson, but even if that is somehow proven not to be true by other ME's, it doesn't preclude the witnesses seeing shots fired while Brown's back was turned that simply missed. I don't recall any of them saying that he was shot in the back and killed, and only recall one (Piaget I think) saying that she saw him "flinch" and thought he'd been hit at that point. Her mistaken impression hardly amounts to perjured testimony like what is being tossed around on Fox and conservative talk radio - and maybe what some folks around here are thinking(?). That's why I asked what evidence whodat was referencing. I haven't run across anything in my reading so far that equals incompatible testimony with what the physical and/or forensic evidence shows. I have, however, found what I think are quite egregious irregularities in how McCulloch conducted the proceedings, most of which I've previously referenced.

Blues

Whatever allows you to hold on to that slim glimmer of hope that Wilson was a cold blooded killer I guess...

 

[AndeyHall]

Once he attacked the LEO he is now a Felon. Sealed it for me. JMHO

Where's the infinity like button?

 

[AndeyHall]

This is a sad day for America. It's becoming about race. I read the testimony of the witnesses but it still leaves me with questions. How can someone take that number of hits and still not go down?
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In reading Wilson's testimony he claims Brown was inside the police car. They were tussling and he locked-onto Brown's arm to keep from being hit. It would seem to me the best course of action would have been to put the car in gear and hit the pedal. That surely would break Brown's grip on the gun. Wilson, in his testimony, said he was looking for something to use to break Brown's grip. Claims his mace was on the left and he couldn't get to it. He couldn't get to his flashlight on the passenger seat. Why not hit the pedal, get free and wait for backup? Brown would not get far before backup would arrive.
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PP classes focus on the physiological changes that occur during a violent encounter. Tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, adrenaline and epinephrine dumps into the blood-stream, fear, shaking. Was his thinking so clouded by the situation that he thought of no other options?

What Michael Brown took is nothing compared to this lanky guy: http://www.policeone.com/patrol-iss...ne-cop-carries-145-rounds-of-ammo-on-the-job/

This is why I ignore anyone who asks the "But why did he have to shoot x amount of times" question.

 

[ET]

What Part of reaching inside a police car and grabbing a police officer ( felony assault ) do you not understand...?????? Do you think Officer Wilson would attempt to arrest Brown from inside the police car???? Ive seen some really stupid people discuss this matter over the last few months including all those who claim Browns hand were up when he was shot... civic leaders, clergy, and the local lawless citizens, out , Not for the truth but to crucify Wilson, and get over " ON THE MAN ". All those civic leader, the Al Sharpton's and clergy, all a bunch of liars, as was proven by the real evidence... the only good thing about this mess is that " they are only proving" what so many of us already know......and each time they act like this, more people are drawn into the disrespect and utter disgust they so deservingly draw. I didn't start out with this idea, but over the years, " They " Have proven that they want to segregate themself from the rest of us, and their society is only a scourge to the rest of us... I wish it wasn't like this , but they bring this on themself. Once great communities go belly up and turn into ghettos at their hands.. Once great restaurants are turned into boarded up buildings once they go in and do their get over thing... restaurants loose their client base because of the obnoxious and disrespectful language they seem to enjoy while in public.. they don't know how to tip a waiter or waitress.. so the restaurant loses good help, and the restaurant goes to hell at the hand of this society.. Again I wish it wasn't like this , and each time this happens I lose a little more respect, and over my 70 years of life, I don't have any left.. I have only seen decay, and destruction... their role models are music industry moguls who glorify drug use, rappers, and sports figures who abuse their wives and children... little children don't know the word mother unless it is part of another word... women are known as bitches. while there are some very great black men and women in the world...most of them are called Uncle Tom's by the majority in their society...scholastic achievement is a negative character trait in the ghetto... no wonder they are where they are in the eyes of the world... Sooner or later the world as a whole will reach the breaking point of their degradation. They destroy their own kind, and they destroy their own property, and destroy their own society....If tomorrow, the world would be free of those who want to get over, riot, rape, disrespect, loot, burn, lie, and have no moral or ethical compass were no longer here, the world would be a much better place.. Ferguson is better without M brown... the world is better without Trayvon martin... If Ferguson was no longer around, Missouri would be a better state. Why is it never, an Indian thing, or an Asian thing, but its always a Black thing... ALWAYS......
Good black cops arrest white people every day.. but there is never an issue...Asians get arrested, Puerto Ricans get arrested every day and its not an issue, its only an issue in the eyes of black when they are arrested by good white cops doing their job... Blacks use this to try to get over, cry foul and hope they can get something out of it.. One look at that Photo of the quick Mart where M. Brown used his size to intimidate a merchant and rob him.. " My son Michael Brown was a good boy" ( quote from his father ) my ass. M brown got in trouble with the law a few times and did some drugs, but according to M Brown's mother,,,,, quote : "That's what all kids his age do".... pathetic?? you betcha.

 

[S&W645]

Baden's report said that one of the wounds in the arm could've been sustained while his back was turned to Wilson, but even if that is somehow proven not to be true by other ME's, it doesn't preclude the witnesses seeing shots fired while Brown's back was turned that simply missed. I don't recall any of them saying that he was shot in the back and killed, and only recall one (Piaget I think) saying that she saw him "flinch" and thought he'd been hit at that point. Her mistaken impression hardly amounts to perjured testimony like what is being tossed around on Fox and conservative talk radio - and maybe what some folks around here are thinking(?). That's why I asked what evidence whodat was referencing. I haven't run across anything in my reading so far that equals incompatible testimony with what the physical and/or forensic evidence shows. I have, however, found what I think are quite egregious irregularities in how McCulloch conducted the proceedings, most of which I've previously referenced.

Blues

Sig P-226 .40S&W with 7 entrance wounds caused by 12 rounds fired. 3 rounds supposedly left in gun matches if you don't top off with one in the chamber with a Mec-Gar mag and deep base. Sig mag holds 13. What are the chances that the 5 not accounted for were all while he was running away? Spent round locations are in 14 43984 CARE Main. As 4 rounds are right close together, that would indicate that DW was stationary at that point. Like if you were shooting at someone fleeing or charging you. That matches the 4 rounds fired at the end of the audio. 1 round fired in car, 7 rounds outside, gap, then last 4. Federal .40S&W were likely the same type ones as I have in the Sig.

Also in that report it states that the crime victim in the store did talk to police before the shooting.

I do agree that the prosecutor was not really interested and took this to the GJ just to try to avoid responsibility. But the GJ found what many of us here felt was the right decision. He wasn't guilty of anything illegal while MB brought it upon himself.

 

[BluesStringer]

I do agree that the prosecutor was not really interested and took this to the GJ just to try to avoid responsibility. But the GJ found what many of us here felt was the right decision. He wasn't guilty of anything illegal while MB brought it upon himself.

Y'all and the GJ members may all be right about that, but it's no less a problem because your opinion(s) only count for that - your opinions. The GJ members' opinions were spoon fed to them by a phony, illegitimate and completely bastardized process in the name not of justice, but of political expediency.

Not in reply directly to S&W645, here's a little tidbit for all you Constitution-lovin', rule-of-law, small-government, conservative types who for some reason seem to think it is the conservative stance to support the "prosecutor" in his little Kabuki theater/kangaroo court. Antony Scalia thinks you're as full of excrement as I do:

Justice Scalia --

"It is the grand jury’s function not ‘to enquire … upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,’ or otherwise to try the suspect’s defenses, but only to examine ‘upon what foundation [the charge] is made’ by the prosecutor. Respublica v. Shaffer, 1 Dall. 236 (O. T. Phila. 1788 ); see also F. Wharton, Criminal Pleading and Practice § 360, pp. 248-249 (8th ed. 1880). As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented."

United States v. Williams, United States v. Williams, 504 U.S. 36 (1992).

It is literally astonishing to me how many so-called "conservatives" support the process we just saw play out. Yay political expediency! Yay using the grand jury system as political cover rather than for evaluating evidence supporting sufficient probable cause to bring a charge. Yay so-called "prosecutors" who play defense attorneys on behalf of the potential defendant they're disingenuously trying to "convince" the GJ to indict! Yay stealing from the tax-payers when there was never any intention of fulfilling the purpose of the grand jury from the beginning! That is what y'all who are supportive of this process are saying, as well as saying "Screw the Fifth Amendment! We don't need no stinkin' Fifth Amendment!"

You people like to slam the "low information voters," but what I see here is a freakin' celebration to beat all celebrations in tribute to your own ignorance. You got played by a leftist Democrat into supporting a blatant bastardization of the grand jury system, apparently because you believe the ends justify the means of usurping it, and the most conservative Justice of the Supreme Court agrees with me on that. As bad as the hangover may be, I hope you wake up from your drunk-with-ignorance stupor in time to vote for romneychristicarsonmccainthompsoncruzpaulwhoeverthephuck in 2016, because we all know how important it is that we all vote!

Blues

 

[Wes@STAC]

JimTh

I am not sure what point you are trying to make in your senseless rambling. I will agree that in any profession you will have some that take advantage, break the rules, abuse their powers, etc.... and they make everyone else look bad but to condemn the entire police force is ..........

There is a reason that blacks are targeted more than other races, they commit the most crimes per capita followed by hispanics and whites. The police are always blamed for high crime rates, criminal acts and abusing their powers yet most are truly trying to help others and go home alive.

You cannot give any reasonable explanation to the reactions of the community to this event/situation. Is it a tragedy, sure for everyone involved but whose fault was it? What good comes from rioting and looting and challenging the police with physical violence?

I do not think that the DA, Police Chief, Sheriff, Governor and National Guard troops did enough to stop the situation. They were warned and still allowed it to happen again. How many looters and rioters have been arrested and charged with crimes? The police force can only do so much to protect the innocent, at some point citizens have to chose to respect others and the law or become a criminal. Criminals do not respect themselves, others or any restrictions placed on them and the police have to deal with them, eventually. Some dealings can be more harsh than others depending on the participants and the situation. In my opinion, criminals deserve to go down and go down hard! Period!!

 

[Deanimator]

By the preponderance of the evidence, Brown was a bully and a dope. That'll get you killed in a lot of circumstances and it got him killed. And I say this as a Black man with pretty much ZERO respect for or trust in the police.

I simply refuse to hew to the inane line that Black people in the 21st century will benefit in ANY way from emulating the tribalist politics of Southern Whites circa 1905. I don't look at some inbred sport of nature in a sheet and a hood and say to myself, "Hey, I can do that!" The New Black Panther Party is every bit as dim witted as the Klan, and Al Sharpton as sleazy and dishonest as David Duke.

As I said, I view the police as 90% irrelevant and 10% a threat. That having been said, I'm NEVER going to let somebody maim or murder me, and I'm not so cravenly hypocritical as to expect a cop to do so.

I see the likes of Michael Brown and ex-Officer Anthony Abbate of the Chicago PD as BOTH threats to my peaceful existence, and I will not for one INSTANT demean myself by holding them up as "heroes" as have some idiots.

 

[tcox4freedom]

By the preponderance of the evidence, Brown was a bully and a dope. That'll get you killed in a lot of circumstances and it got him killed. And I say this as a Black man with pretty much ZERO respect for or trust in the police.

I simply refuse to hew to the inane line that Black people in the 21st century will benefit in ANY way from emulating the tribalist politics of Southern Whites circa 1905. I don't look at some inbred sport of nature in a sheet and a hood and say to myself, "Hey, I can do that!" The New Black Panther Party is every bit as dim witted as the Klan, and Al Sharpton as sleazy and dishonest as David Duke.

As I said, I view the police as 90% irrelevant and 10% a threat. That having been said, I'm NEVER going to let somebody maim or murder me, and I'm not so cravenly hypocritical as to expect a cop to do so.

I see the likes of Michael Brown and ex-Officer Anthony Abbate of the Chicago PD as BOTH threats to my peaceful existence, and I will not for one INSTANT demean myself by holding them up as "heroes" as have some idiots.

It is kinda astounding that if it had been a white "civilian" instead of a cop some people would now be praising about the system that let the civilian go free. But, because of the blind hatred for LE we have seen this thread go on and on; getting NOWHERE!

I've had run-ins with some pretty bad cops in my life and I have been a victim of police brutality by a real bad cop. However, most of the cops I know and I've worked with in the past have been great guys & girls. Personally, I try to take things on a case by case basis and not wrap everybody in a particular group with the same lasso. In this particular case, it was a good shoot and the officer appears to be a good officer who was pulled into a bad situation while on the way to a humanitarian call to check on a child.

I would like to hear the opinions of those who say Officer Wilson didn't have the right to do what he did. So, with hindsight being 20/20, tell us how you would have reacted differently in the same situation. (a 300lb BG that had just committed a FELONY, reaching in your car and simultaneously beating you upside your head while grabbing your firearm.)

What would you do?

Sure as a civilian you may be able to drive away. But, an LEO doesn't really have the option to do that. Besides, if you're fighting with a 300lb man (trying to keep him away from your firearm), driving away may all but be impossible.


ETA- I personally think the prosecutor and the governor did a lousy job in this case. This is a case that never should have gone to the GJ. But, because some people were afraid of appearing racist and maybe losing their job, they passed the buck and endangered everyone in Ferguson and others around the country.

Then we have a gutless MO Gov who was afraid to look like a militant. So, he didn't do what needed to be done to protect his own citizens and their businesses.


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[Deanimator]

It is kinda astounding that if it had been a white "civilian" instead of a cop some people would now be praising about the system that let the civilian go free. But, because of the blind hatred for LE we have seen this thread go on and on; getting NOWHERE!-

I hold everybody to the same standard... which INVARIABLY gets me labeled a "cop hater". No problem.

I don't trust the average cop as far as I can throw Rosie O'Donnell and a boxcar full of bags of hammers. That having been said, if the cop's justified, he's justified. It's as simple as that.

I don't care for cops, but I don't care for thugs either, and I don't care for cops because all too many of them act like Michael Brown.

Brown was a predator who made the mistake of going after another predator instead of a "prey animal" like that guy in the store he robbed.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Now REAL justice would have been his step-father trying to torch a business and getting a tight pattern of M855 in the chest. But hey, there's still tonight...

 

[BC1]

Sig P-226 .40S&W with 7 entrance wounds caused by 12 rounds fired. 3 rounds supposedly left in gun matches if you don't top off with one in the chamber with a Mec-Gar mag and deep base. Sig mag holds 13. What are the chances that the 5 not accounted for were all while he was running away? Spent round locations are in 14 43984 CARE Main. As 4 rounds are right close together, that would indicate that DW was stationary at that point. Like if you were shooting at someone fleeing or charging you. That matches the 4 rounds fired at the end of the audio. 1 round fired in car, 7 rounds outside, gap, then last 4. Federal .40S&W were likely the same type ones as I have in the Sig.

Also in that report it states that the crime victim in the store did talk to police before the shooting.

I do agree that the prosecutor was not really interested and took this to the GJ just to try to avoid responsibility. But the GJ found what many of us here felt was the right decision. He wasn't guilty of anything illegal while MB brought it upon himself.

I think a lot of DA's take shootings to the GJ. Even civilian shootings with self-defense claims. I think they're afraid to refuse to indict without a second look.

 

[Firefighterchen]

It is kinda astounding that if it had been a white "civilian" instead of a cop some people would now be praising about the system that let the civilian go free. But, because of the blind hatred for LE we have seen this thread go on and on; getting NOWHERE!

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If it was a civilian, I bet it would have went to trial...

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[BC1]

As I think about this and read the documents I'm left with many questions. Something still just doesn't sit right. I can't put my finger on it though.

 

[Deanimator]

As I think about this and read the documents I'm left with many questions. Something still just doesn't sit right. I can't put my finger on it though.

A lot of that arises from the actions, early on, of the Ferguson PD. They acted like that had something to hide. When somebody does, I reasonably infer that they do.

The turning point for me was the video. That told me more about Michael Brown than 300 pages of psychoanalysis. I've been seeing his kind since kindergarten, and everywhere from the Southeast Side of Chicago to a private college in Missouri. They view everybody else as prey and become accustomed to people acting like prey. When they run into another predator, a REAL one, they either wet themselves and run, or they get bitten... HARD. I've seen both.

It's pretty obvious that Brown lived his life intimidating smaller, weaker people. But it's kind of tough to be "intimidating" when you're lying face down in the street with your head full of JHPs.

As a Black man, I no more view Michael Brown as a "hero" than I'd similarly view Chevy Keyhoe if I were White.

 

[vernsimpson]

If it was a civilian, I bet it would have went to trial...

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I agree. If it was a black cop or black civilian we would not have ever heard about it at all!

Now there is some who are trying to make a big deal out of the 12 year old that was shot who had a toy gun with the orange plastic tip removed. I am sorry for the parents loss but where were they when the kid took the orange tip off the toy gun?

Bottom line is you do not play games or taunt others who you know has guns. That is like getting into a cage with a Tiger, poking him with a stick and then whining when the Tiger reacts and mauls you or kills you!

 

[BC1]

A lot of that arises from the actions, early on, of the Ferguson PD. They acted like that had something to hide. When somebody does, I reasonably infer that they do.

The turning point for me was the video. That told me more about Michael Brown than 300 pages of psychoanalysis. I've been seeing his kind since kindergarten, and everywhere from the Southeast Side of Chicago to a private college in Missouri. They view everybody else as prey and become accustomed to people acting like prey. When they run into another predator, a REAL one, they either wet themselves and run, or they get bitten... HARD. I've seen both.

It's pretty obvious that Brown lived his life intimidating smaller, weaker people. But it's kind of tough to be "intimidating" when you're lying face down in the street with your head full of JHPs.

As a Black man, I no more view Michael Brown as a "hero" than I'd similarly view Chevy Keyhoe if I were White.

For me color has nothing to with it. It's a thug mentality. A neighborhood thing. Kids of the inner cities are growing up in a world where this all has meaning. I handle good and bad people as exactly that; not based on color or race. Last week I refused to give part of my SS number to a customer service rep at PayPal because he was in the Philippines. Called me racist. Wrong. I'm simply not trusting him with my social.

 

[Deanimator]

Bottom line is you do not play games or taunt others who you know has guns. That is like getting into a cage with a Tiger, poking him with a stick and then whining when the Tiger reacts and mauls you or kills you!

I'm fond of saying, "Fifteen thousand years ago, somebody like that would have wandered away from the campfire as a child and been eaten by something before he could pass his defective genes on to a new generation..."

All too much of modern "society" is dedicated to protecting people from the consequences of their own colossal stupidity. That sort of "thinking" has already turned the United Kingdom into the world's largest group home where people seriously entertain the idea of BY LAW, rounding the tips off of steak knives.

 

[vernsimpson]

For me color has nothing to with it. It's a thug mentality. A neighborhood thing. Kids of the inner cities are growing up in a world where this all has meaning. I handle good and bad people as exactly that; not based on color or race. Last week I refused to give part of my SS number to a customer service rep at PayPal because he was in the Philippines. Called me racist. Wrong. I'm simply not trusting him with my social.

I am the same way. I do not care what color, race or whatever the person is, I am very private with my personal info. I always question people when they "claim" they need my social and other info. Then they claim that they need my social to make sure it is really me. When "Social Security" was first dreamed up, people were promised that their number would NOT be used for identification! Another gubment lie!! Surprise! Surprise!

I was called a racist when I spoke out against obummer when he was first on the scene in '08. I knew NOTHING about him then, except that he had risen in IL politics namely C(r)ook County. That was all I needed to know he would not be good for the USA! Many now agree with me and wish they had listened to what I said.

 

[BluesStringer]

If it was a civilian, I bet it would have went to trial...

It is interesting to see people talking about everybody being held to the same standard, when the indisputable fact is, that if any one of us (who isn't, or hasn't been a cop) had six eye-witnesses saying that first, the person we got in a fight with broke off the attack and ran, and second, as many as 90 seconds later was in various postures of either defeat or surrender when the kill shot was delivered, we'd not only be tried, we'd spend the rest of our lives in jail. White, black, brown, red or whatever, no one would be talking about the character or the size or what was done 10 minutes before by the victim with that much probable cause against us. We'd be the defendant, period. And there wouldn't be any kangaroo court, phony, illegitimate "grand jury" process where the whole defense case is presented by a political hack prosecutor ensuring that we'd never be charged. The DA/prosecutor would do it on his own, also period.