NRA says Open Carry Texas demonstrations 'downright scary'

Thank you Charles. I appreciate the opportunity to lower the volume so to speak. Anyway, I agree that carrying any type of gun anywhere as long as you are not some criminal or mental type is the desirable outcome we all want. How to get there is the argument we have been having. Almost every case in the media of people carrying Ar's into a business has resulted in said business banning ALL guns from their property along with the news stories of that happening.

Sorry, you're just wrong on the facts. It wasn't the legal carrying of any long guns that has "resulted" in businesses banning weapons in their establishments. The demonstrations had been going on without a hitch for about a year before the Chipotle thing blew up. You say it was the carriers that blew it up, but the fact is, it was Moms Demand Action who inserted themselves at the corporate level to put pressure on the stores in TX that never had a problem with the demos at the local level. You're blaming the victims of a well-planned and well-funded propaganda campaign, and as such, there is no clear distinction between your position and those propaganda-spreading Mommies, so you coming here and accepting their lies as fact while telling us all you've done and spent to uphold the 2A rings hollow over here. You don't support the 2A by accepting the propaganda of anti-2A activists against gun rights activists who have acted perfectly legally, sought and received permission for every entry they made into the businesses they patronized as a way of saying thanks for supporting them in their efforts, when all that was going on for many months with no problems between demonstrators, customers or store managements. You're being manipulated by a bunch of neophyte anti-gun-rights freakin' soccer moms, and misstating what happened by blaming it all on law-abiding pro-gun-activists just because you don't like the way they go about making their case for common sense laws in TX. If you're going to side with the Mommies, you're going to be connected at the hip with them on this forum every time you allow them to get away with being the impetus for all this and blame it on the gun owners who are actually doing something besides kickin' back on the sofa with their feet up on the coffee table and sending their money to the N R A so they can say they're "doing something!"

This just pushes more of the undecideds into the anti-gun crowd. All I am saying is we need to take it a little slower and a lot smarter.

Good grief, how much slower could we go? The unconstitutional National Firearms Act has been around since 1934 and only been strengthened by subsequent unconstitutional legislation. It was 2008 before the Supreme Court gathered the testicular fortitude to even take a case that would inevitably lead to ruling on the individual right vs. the phony collective right meme. How much slower do you want us to go? Should we really make the really really strong push after every gun in America has been registered and all transfers require permissions from ATF?

And I also distinguish between people legitimately protesting and the Rambo wannabes I mentioned who just want to make trouble for troubles sake. You know the type I am sure.

I actually love it when someone compares me to Rambo (maybe Charles does too, I don't know). It shows how little the person doing the comparisons knows about who the character in the movie really was. He wanted no trouble. He went hungry trying to avoid trouble, but the local goons wouldn't let him leave. He went through the indignity of being arrested for nothing without hurting anybody. It wasn't until the big, fat, dumb cop started trying to choke him out with a billy club, after first hosing him down with a freakin' fire hose, that he defended himself and still just tried to get away and head for the woods without hurting anybody. That whole first movie was him trying to get away from trouble and the powers that be just refusing to let him, from beginning to end.

Now, if you are saying that you're comparing the TX OC'ers to the real Rambo character, I can agree with that. They are in the right. They have the law on their side. No one has been harmed by them, and the new, influential powers that be, the Mommies, just won't leave them alone! Even though like the real Rambo character, they have the means with which to defend themselves that they have refrained from even talking about bringing to bear!

Your metaphors really need some work, and your knowledge of the facts do too.

To blues: The challenge I issued was based on the statement I'll carry whatever I want wherever I want logic. If someone truly believes that, then carry a bazooka around or an RPG or a "fully auto weapon". That was my point.

Utter nonsense. You said "full auto weapon" like it would be illegal to carry even if legally owned. Now you're mixing it up knowing ahead of time that full autos aren't illegal to carry everywhere, but include weapons that are both illegal to own and/or carry under any circumstances. There's an implied assumption of abiding by the law when a law-abiding citizen says he'll carry what he wants (that's legal) wherever he wants (that's legal). Now you're trying to equate carrying of weapons that you don't approve of being carried in public with criminality. Oh, but you "fully support the 2A," right? The guys and gals in TX haven't done one illegal thing, but you (wrongly) equate them with what you perceive a movie character to be, which is some bloodthirsty, wanton killer. Oh, but you "fully support the 2A," right?

Pffft.

Later Mommie Olinb.

Blues
 
I open carry, and I support the choice to open or conceal, but those guys that carried the ARs into a restaurant like that are the biggest bunch of moron's and ***holes I have ever seen, they accomplished nothing good, and ought to have there guns shoved where the sun don't shine
 
I open carry, and I support the choice to open or conceal, but those guys that carried the ARs into a restaurant like that are the biggest bunch of moron's and ***holes I have ever seen, they accomplished nothing good, and ought to have there guns shoved where the sun don't shine

If the media were doing it's job, they would be covering BOTH sides of the story, in which case people could make up their minds based on ALL the facts. As it is, you are helping to propagate the anti-gunners side of the story. Great job!
 
I open carry, and I support the choice to open or conceal, but those guys that carried the ARs into a restaurant like that are the biggest bunch of moron's and ***holes I have ever seen, they accomplished nothing good, and ought to have there guns shoved where the sun don't shine


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Revised List of Honorary Mommies:

1) Mommy alternety
2) Mommy nosreme
3) Mommy jdcTX
4) Mommy Warbirds
5) Mommy bootsdeal
6) Mommy Olinb
7) Mommy Rocketgeezer
8) Mommy bowserb
9) Mommy BlueShell*

These are folks who have taken the side of the Moms Demand Action propaganda campaign concerning the OC demonstrations that have been going on in Texas without incident for around a year before the Moms inserted themselves and manufactured a controversy where none existed before.

The Mommies appreciate your support. The rest of us decidedly, don't.

Blues

*Newest addition as of 2/8/2016
 
If the media were doing it's job, they would be covering BOTH sides of the story, in which case people could make up their minds based on ALL the facts. As it is, you are helping to propagate the anti-gunners side of the story. Great job!

When has the media ever given pro gunners equal access? How about "never". So that should not be a surprise. And "you" and anyone else propagating the idea that carrying AR's around everywhere is a good thing are doing more to harm to the pro 2nd amendment movement than bloomberg and cronies ever will. The country isn't ready for it. Just a few short years ago in my pretty conservative state, you had to wait 15 days to pick up your lawfully purchased handgun and you had to know someone "downtown" to have even the hope of getting a handgun carry permit. We now enjoy "shall issue" permits and things have turned around a lot from those days. It's been a battle we've been winning but people who insist on pushing the envelope are going to be the cause of us losing some of the rights we have fought so hard to have restored. What is the point? Are you so inept with a handgun that you NEED an AR to defend yourself? Or are you afraid the ZA will happen so fast you'll be caught in a horde? Psst, you will have plenty of warning so don't worry.

I usually keep a modified mini-14 concealed close by wherever I am. If I need it I can get to it even if I have to use my handgun to fight my way to it.
 
When has the media ever given pro gunners equal access? How about "never". So that should not be a surprise. And "you" and anyone else propagating the idea that carrying AR's around everywhere is a good thing are doing more to harm to the pro 2nd amendment movement than bloomberg and cronies ever will. The country isn't ready for it. Just a few short years ago in my pretty conservative state, you had to wait 15 days to pick up your lawfully purchased handgun and you had to know someone "downtown" to have even the hope of getting a handgun carry permit. We now enjoy "shall issue" permits and things have turned around a lot from those days. It's been a battle we've been winning but people who insist on pushing the envelope are going to be the cause of us losing some of the rights we have fought so hard to have restored. What is the point? Are you so inept with a handgun that you NEED an AR to defend yourself? Or are you afraid the ZA will happen so fast you'll be caught in a horde? Psst, you will have plenty of warning so don't worry.

I usually keep a modified mini-14 concealed close by wherever I am. If I need it I can get to it even if I have to use my handgun to fight my way to it.

I would love to debate you on the points you've brought up (yet again) but I am not allowed to talk to you..
(That's what Mom said! Sorry!)


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.
 
I would love to debate you on the points you've brought up (yet again) but I am not allowed to talk to you..
(That's what Mom said! Sorry!)


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

You actually made me smile. :)

Well, I DO wish we could all remember we are so much closer to each other than the enemy.
 
Well, I DO wish we could all remember we are so much closer to each other than the enemy.

Tell me again why I should consider someone who has taken the exact same stance against OC of long guns as Moms Demand Action as "so much closer" to my views than that of my enemies? Bloomberg and MDA are our enemies, at least the vast majority of members here would say so. On this issue, they are your closest allies.

If exercising your right to carry (openly or concealed) is the cause of having your rights denied, then that right there pretty much defines why the right to keep and bear was necessary to our Framers to begin with. Think about it. My rights are not dependent upon what the "country is ready for."

Blues
 
Let's be honest. This tactic may have been effective before in raising awareness, however it's now given Bloomy's well-funded minions a platform to wind up the fear mongering machine. When something stops working for you, it's time for a new plan.

And not only is it starting to act in a negative way, but the backlash is now having a "divide and conquer" effect on 2nd Amendment supporters. Just look at the in-fighting on this thread. That's exactly what Bloomy wants. Are we really going to let them succeed?
 
Let's be honest. This tactic may have been effective before in raising awareness, however it's now given Bloomy's well-funded minions a platform to wind up the fear mongering machine. When something stops working for you, it's time for a new plan.

The only evidence that it has "stopped working" is that FORMER supporters of the right to bear arms are now showing up on gun forums and telling us to chill out with all the pro-gun stuff. Get a grip and grow a pair. If you are worried that your rights may offend someone, BEGONE!
 
Let's be honest. This tactic may have been effective before in raising awareness, however it's now given Bloomy's well-funded minions a platform to wind up the fear mongering machine. When something stops working for you, it's time for a new plan.

And not only is it starting to act in a negative way, but the backlash is now having a "divide and conquer" effect on 2nd Amendment supporters. Just look at the in-fighting on this thread. That's exactly what Bloomy wants. Are we really going to let them succeed?

Then you should honestly stop dividing gun owners and back up open carriers. Are YOU really going to let them succeed? I'm not going to let them...but it seems you honestly think guns are the cause of guns becoming negative.

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From the almost famous (and as yet unpublished) book "Whodat's Anti-Alinsky Rules for Conservatives":
Rule 3: To defeat your opponent you must know and understand his tactics.
Rule 4: If your opponents tactics are reprehensible, you need not use them against him to defeat him, merely expose them for what they are.
 
The only evidence that it has "stopped working" is that FORMER supporters of the right to bear arms are now showing up on gun forums and telling us to chill out with all the pro-gun stuff. Get a grip and grow a pair. If you are worried that your rights may offend someone, BEGONE!

Nobody on this forum is telling you or anyone else to chill out on all the pro-gun stuff. That's either a lie or an ignorant statement. The only point of contention is the open carry of Ar's etc which is a single issue. On all other pro-gun issues we all agree.
 
Then you should honestly stop dividing gun owners and back up open carriers. Are YOU really going to let them succeed? I'm not going to let them...but it seems you honestly think guns are the cause of guns becoming negative.

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No, I don't honestly think guns are the cause of guns becoming negative. I'm saying that Moms Demand Nonsense are using this type of open carry demonstration to incite fear in the general population. And that it would be better to use a different tactic to raise awareness that doesn't give MDA a platform to incite this fear.

Yet in trying to get that point across, but I'm accused of not backing up open carriers and told to grow a pair. And I'm the one dividing gun owners? Whatever.
 
Nobody on this forum is telling you or anyone else to chill out on all the pro-gun stuff. That's either a lie or an ignorant statement. The only point of contention is the open carry of Ar's etc which is a single issue. On all other pro-gun issues we all agree.

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