NRA says Open Carry Texas demonstrations 'downright scary'

[BluesStringer]

Polls, quite simply are mostly bunk. It depends entirely on what is asked and how it is worded.

Opinions on the internet are mostly bunk too, unless they include at least some kind of substantive basis. I did include some. You included none. Twice.

I don't get the point of the challenge anyway. I responded to a post that I read as stating that folks who are pro-gun are a "very small percentage of the total population." Are you saying that because you think surveys and polls are mostly bunk that the estimate of 30% to 34% of adults owning guns is "mostly bunk?" It's a fairly commonly-cited statistic, and you'd have to reduce it by a significant percentage to call the pro-gunners in the total population a "very small percentage" with any credibility. Since that was the only point I used the links to challenge, the "polls are bunk" meme isn't relevant to that point. Unless you're trying to make the point that 30% to 34% of the total population who are gun owners aren't necessarily pro-gun, and so many of them are actually anti-gun that they combine with the rest of the total population to leave the pro-gunners a "very small percentage," I don't get why you're making a deal out of it. Or are you saying that 30% to 34% itself is a "very small percentage of the total population?" What's up?

Blues

 

[r1derbike]

Agreed!

A holstered handgun vs. some guy with a "look at me" stupid grin and a AR15 in his hands are two totally different situations.

If I were a business owner, I would CC, if someone came in with a OC holstered handgun, I would say "welcome, how can I help you", if someone came in with an AR15 in hand my first thought would be WTF, and ask them to take it outside.

Then probably design and print a "No Long Guns Permitted" sign for the door.

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These jackwagons are only fueling the fire for the anti crowd.

Isn't that Michael Moore on the left?

 

[whodat2710]

Blues,
I agree with your post, your conclusions from the "data" you have and what it means. I don't care how scientific a poll is, there are too many variables for it to be conclusive of anything.

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A 2007 Small Arms Survey estimates there are 88.7 guns per 100 Americans (#1 in the world for guns per capita)
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You cannot infer anything from that. If I have 10 guns, that skews the data. That's all I was pointing out.

 

[Olinb]

I carry one or more of my handguns every time I leave the house. Sometimes it is OC (with a concealed backup) sometimes just CC. I am all for the strides we've made in 2nd amendment support. But I do think that "most" of the people dragging their AR's and AK's around in plain sight are ignorant of what it may cost us. A few loudmouthed pansies scared of any long gun will get the media that we won't. That's just a fact. Sometimes you can take a good thing too far too fast. We need to get the public used to seeing low key good people carrying their handguns and maybe get some stories out about how lives were saved, robberies foiled, etc., by the good guys with a gun. In other words, we have only had the right to carry without being hassled for a relatively short time. Don't be in such a rush to add long guns or we may find ourselves going back to the way it was 20-30 years ago. That would be a mistake.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

I carry one or more of my handguns every time I leave the house. Sometimes it is OC (with a concealed backup) sometimes just CC. I am all for the strides we've made in 2nd amendment support. But I do think that "most" of the people dragging their AR's and AK's around in plain sight are ignorant of what it may cost us. A few loudmouthed pansies scared of any long gun will get the media that we won't. That's just a fact. Sometimes you can take a good thing too far too fast. We need to get the public used to seeing low key good people carrying their handguns and maybe get some stories out about how lives were saved, robberies foiled, etc., by the good guys with a gun. In other words, we have only had the right to carry without being hassled for a relatively short time. Don't be in such a rush to add long guns or we may find ourselves going back to the way it was 20-30 years ago. That would be a mistake.

Anti-gunner lite?


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

 

[Firefighterchen]

These long-gun open carriers are mentally imbalanced...narcissistic, calculatedly obnoxious and developmentally disabled social misfits. Their infantile craving for attention, hamfistedly and disingenuously wrapped in the cloak of "familiarizing people with 2A rights" (yeah, right) are doing more to galvanize the anti-gun forces than almost anything that's recently happened, including school and theater shootings. "We have met the enemy and he is us."

See...you know your life sucks if you side with Emerson and MDA on gun Rights...those that think this way about Texas open carry should really look in the mirror and see if they truly want to be seen like a crazy soccer mom.

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[Axeanda45]

I dont like how other people exercise their rights so I am going to whine and complain about it until I can get a law that says they cant do it the way I dont like them to anymore.

Yeh, that will work out great...... and we will ALL finally have our own unicorn too.....


*sarcasm off*


Wish I had a stick I could hit people with that would instantly impart the VERY SIMPLE FACT that if you want to be free to exercise YOUR rights, you HAVE to accept the way others exercise theirs..... (it would be nice if that "hit" would be a little painful too, just because...)

 

[JimTh]

When I said we were a small percentage, I was referring to Carriers, CC or OC. Not gun OWNERS. Almost eveyone I know OWNS at least one gun.
Very few of them have carry permits, & NONE OC. But that's just my small circle of friends, family & neighbors. I'm not basing my statement on any poll. Just
by what I experience.
Mi. population is around 10M, CPL's around 400k. Is that not a small percentage?

You should remove from your numbers all the people under the legal age to carry concealed and then remove all the folks that may not lawfully carry a firearm and that will be your stat.

 

[jrs]

Agreed!

A holstered handgun vs. some guy with a "look at me" stupid grin and a AR15 in his hands are two totally different situations.

If I were a business owner, I would CC, if someone came in with a OC holstered handgun, I would say "welcome, how can I help you", if someone came in with an AR15 in hand my first thought would be WTF, and ask them to take it outside.

Then probably design and print a "No Long Guns Permitted" sign for the door.

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These jackwagons are only fueling the fire for the anti crowd.

I agree.... we've all seen the commercials with the "EASY" button.....I think we need a "COMMON SENSE" button as well.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean it's a good idea!!!! You CAN wear your underwear over your pants, but is it a good idea?

These idiots walked right into the arms of Bloomberg and the ANTI 2A crowd. Had they pushed the "COMMON SENSE" button, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should relinquish our rights, but you need to choose your battles WISELY.

 

[whodat2710]

These long-gun open carriers are mentally imbalanced...narcissistic, calculatedly obnoxious and developmentally disabled social misfits. Their infantile craving for attention, hamfistedly and disingenuously wrapped in the cloak of "familiarizing people with 2A rights" (yeah, right) are doing more to galvanize the anti-gun forces than almost anything that's recently happened, including school and theater shootings. "We have met the enemy and he is us."

I had to re-read that. I thought you were talking about progressive liberal pro-abortion people at first, wrapped in the cloak of "a woman's right to choose". As has been previously stated (by me) in TX you cannot open carry a handgun. You can legally open carry a long gun. Does that make sense? No but it's the law, so these guys are protesting the lack of handgun OC in a way that is legally available to them. They have also committed no other crimes in the course of their protest, unlike the prog-lib "occupy wall street" high crimes and misdemeanors crowd.
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You may also consider the fact that these guys are protesting for the right to practice an "inalienable" right. The OWS guys were protesting for the right to some of your money without working for it...

 

[BluesStringer]

I agree.... we've all seen the commercials with the "EASY" button.....I think we need a "COMMON SENSE" button as well.

As you suggest a "solution" to some perceived (by you) problem, you refuse to utilize that "solution" yourself.

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean it's a good idea!!!! You CAN wear your underwear over your pants, but is it a good idea?

Just because you CAN rail against others' manner of exercising their rights, doesn't mean it doesn't show your obvious lack of understanding of the situation.

These idiots walked right into the arms of Bloomberg and the ANTI 2A crowd. Had they pushed the "COMMON SENSE" button, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

These legal OC'ers had been to Link Removed. They always sought and received permission from store management to go in with their weapons before anyone went in with their weapons. Store management at that location was (still is?) on their side for months prior to Bloomberg's Mommies trolling their FB page looking for pictures they could use in a propaganda campaign that idiot gun owners everywhere have fallen for hook, line and sinker. You are apparently one such idiot. Chipotle's Corporate bosses are likewise idiots, as there was not one single adverse incident at that location before the Mommies launched a propaganda campaign that beat down a movement that is widely accepted as non-threatening in that area. Yay propaganda, huh?

They are demonstrating for umm...."COMMON SENSE" open carry laws in TX which, at present, allows the OC of long guns, and criminalizes the OC of handguns. They would much rather OC handguns.

The idiots in this manufactured controversy are the so-called 2nd Amendment supporters who never do a damned thing to actively promote actual compliance by government with the 2nd Amendment, calling others who at least are doing something to win back rights that were originally stolen from Southern states by the federal government during Reconstruction "idiots." All Southern states have Reconstruction-era oppressive laws on the books. Maybe after around 150 years, our state legislatures should be casting off such federally-imposed oppression. Whaddaya think? That's all these guys are attempting to get their legislature to do.

These guys have an issue that they're trying to draw attention to. Would I take the same tack as they are? Probably not, but my state government isn't oppressing my right to carry any way I please, so I'm not in their shoes. If I was convinced that such demonstrations had the potential to help gun owners in my state achieve similar goals, I would most certainly engage in any legal means available to me to accomplish that. And anyone calling me an "idiot" for doing so from the safety and comfort of their own home or office, would prove to me that they don't have the balls to put their own ass on the line for a righteous cause, but instead turn to Bloomberg's Mommies for their opinions. Great use of "common sense" there hot-rod.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we should relinquish our rights, but you need to choose your battles WISELY.

When you say something WISE, I'll take this advice under consideration.

Blues

 

[CharlesMorrison]

Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean it's a good idea!!!!.

Of course you don't! You don't want to upset the apple cart now do you?!
Hell, that might make the political gods frown upon you and STRIP you of what little liberty they ALLOW you to have...

Just what we need. Another anti gunner lite!


PS...Doesn't anyone read the responses before they spout off?!

PSS.. "Moms need some action" is at it again... This time with Target stores. I got this email from them today...



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"Like most moms I know, I often shop at Target with my kids. It's the last place I'd expect to see people roaming the aisles armed to the teeth.

That's why I was so disappointed when I learned that gun extremists have walked into multiple Target stores around the country, armed with assault rifles and other weapons -- and that Target doesn't yet have any policies to stop it.

Moms have led the charge in getting other stores and restaurants to say they don't want customers to have guns in stores -- Starbucks, Chipotle, Chili's, Sonic Drive-In, and Jack in the Box have all come out with gun sense policies in recent weeks. Now Target has an opportunity to do the right thing.

Click here to automatically add your name to the #OffTarget petition:

TARGET, please issue gun sense policies to keep your customers and employees safe from the risk of gun violence by protecting against people carrying weapons in your stores.



The Wall Street Journal reported that Target "has no restrictions on customers carrying guns in its stores." That's not just wrong, it's dangerous.

Target says up to 90% of its customers are women, and almost 40% are parents. Moms have the power to force them to take a stand for gun sense. We're changing the way companies think about guns in their businesses, and it's time that a big retailer like Target do the same.

Automatically sign the petition asking Target to create gun sense policies that ask their customers to leave their guns at home:"

http://act.everytown.org/sign/target-petition-1

Thanks for standing with us,

Shannon Watts
Founder
Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America


Everytown for Gun Safety is a movement of Americans fighting for common-sense gun policies. We are moms, mayors, survivors, and concerned citizens.

We depend on contributions from supporters like you to fund our work to reduce gun violence.



Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

 

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[TD] Households With a Gun[/TD]
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[TD] Percentage[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 40-45%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 30-34%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 17-19%[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"] 47-53 million[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 70-80 million[/TD]
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* A 2005 nationwide Gallup poll of 1,012 adults found the following levels of firearm ownership:

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[TD="align: center"] 42%[/TD]
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[TD] Individuals[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 30%[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"] 47%[/TD]
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[TD] Female[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 13%[/TD]
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[TD] White[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 33%[/TD]
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[TD] Nonwhite[/TD]
[TD="align: center"] 18%[/TD]
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[TD="align: center"] 41%[/TD]
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I like the "non white" category. I'd like to see the breakdown by black, Hispanic, Chinese. Anyone want to venture a guess?
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I've heard over the years that Americans own over 250 million guns but the criminal element may have as many as 80 million more guns. I think the numbers are probably higher than the article states.

 

[Olinb]

The people in Texas you are referring to are not the problem. I understand their protest and agree banning OC of handguns but allowing OC of long guns is rather dumb. The problem is the rambo wannabes who just want to show off. I have worked too blasted hard for too many years and spent too much of my hard-earned money as both an NRA and GOA Life member to allow the actions of a few show offs to undermine our advances in the pro 2nd amendment movement. Like it or not we have to live with people of all types and compromise is necessary in order to live together. If all the Rambo's out there would stow their AR in the trunk as I do there wouldn't be any problems. The pendulum has swung our way let's not be the cause of it swinging back the other way.

 

[CharlesMorrison]

The people in Texas you are referring to are not the problem. I understand their protest and agree banning OC of handguns but allowing OC of long guns is rather dumb. The problem is the rambo wannabes who just want to show off. I have worked too blasted hard for too many years and spent too much of my hard-earned money as both an NRA and GOA Life member to allow the actions of a few show offs to undermine our advances in the pro 2nd amendment movement. Like it or not we have to live with people of all types and compromise is necessary in order to live together. If all the Rambo's out there would stow their AR in the trunk as I do there wouldn't be any problems. The pendulum has swung our way let's not be the cause of it swinging back the other way.

What a surprise! Another "Anti-gun lite" poster (poser?!)...
Son, I will carry what I want, when I want and if you or anyone else attempts to deny me my 2A Rights, you can kiss off!


Sent from behind Enemy Lines.

 

[Bikenut]

An unabashed rant.

Some of the comments from supposed supporters of the right to bear arms remind me of a conversation I had with a fellow a few years ago. He and I were discussing the right to bear arms and he said:

"I know I have the right to carry a gun. All I have to do is go get a permit."

Think about that. And then there is this expressed in many ways in many posts:

"Yeah we have the right to bear arms ... and we can keep that right if we only carry the kinds of guns that don't scare anyone in places people won't be offended."

With foolish folks who think government permission in the form of a "permit" is the "right" to bear arms... and the castrated folks who think it is best to not exercise the right for fear if people actually have the 'nads to do it the right will be taken away.... it's no wonder organizations like MDA make inroads.

It is the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS! Not the privilege dependent upon someone's opinion of what is "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". After all this time it is amazing that gun owners/gun carriers haven't realized that the words "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable", are the foundation of the anti gunners gun ban agenda.

What grinds me is to see so many supposed supporters of the right to bear arms demanding the right to bear arms be limited and restricted to carrying where, when, why, how, and even what kind of gun, according to what they personally think is ....."reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". But if you ask them they will say they don't want the right to bear arms to be infringed.... except when it comes to the bearing of certain kinds of arms, in certain ways, in certain places, by certain people, they personally don't like. And sadly they cannot see that this "personally don't like" thinking is the exact same perspective of the rabid anti gunner making them not quite anti gunners... just anti gunner "lites" because they are willing to allow (allow?) people to bear arms yet have the same desire to be in control of who, how, what, when, where, and why, arms are borne.

end rant.

 

[whodat2710]

An unabashed rant.

Some of the comments from supposed supporters of the right to bear arms remind me of a conversation I had with a fellow a few years ago. He and I were discussing the right to bear arms and he said:

"I know I have the right to carry a gun. All I have to do is go get a permit."

Think about that. And then there is this expressed in many ways in many posts:

"Yeah we have the right to bear arms ... and we can keep that right if we only carry the kinds of guns that don't scare anyone in places people won't be offended."

With foolish folks who think government permission in the form of a "permit" is the "right" to bear arms... and the castrated folks who think it is best to not exercise the right for fear if people actually have the 'nads to do it the right will be taken away.... it's no wonder organizations like MDA make inroads.

It is the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS! Not the privilege dependent upon someone's opinion of what is "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". After all this time it is amazing that gun owners/gun carriers haven't realized that the words "reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable", are the foundation of the anti gunners gun ban agenda.

What grinds me is to see so many supposed supporters of the right to bear arms demanding the right to bear arms be limited and restricted to carrying where, when, why, how, and even what kind of gun, according to what they personally think is ....."reasonable", "appropriate", and "acceptable". But if you ask them they will say they don't want the right to bear arms to be infringed.... except when it comes to the bearing of certain kinds of arms, in certain ways, in certain places, by certain people, they personally don't like. And sadly they cannot see that this "personally don't like" thinking is the exact same perspective of the rabid anti gunner making them not quite anti gunners... just anti gunner "lites" because they are willing to allow (allow?) people to bear arms yet have the same desire to be in control of who, how, what, when, where, and why, arms are borne.

end rant.

I already used "Yahtzee!" in another thread, so I won't use it again here :smile:

 

[BluesStringer]

BTW, as to the topic of this thread, the N R A has basically caved to Open Carry Texas and backed off the statement that they now say a lowly "staffer" made about them being "weird." Chris Cox in full damage control:

 

[telpinaro]

BTW, as to the topic of this thread, the N R A has basically caved to Open Carry Texas and backed off the statement that they now say a lowly "staffer" made about them being "weird." Chris Cox in full damage control:

They have a ways to go with damage control! That's probably as close as we'll get to an apology.

 

[BluesStringer]

They have a ways to go with damage control! That's probably as close as we'll get to an apology.

Yeah, I meant "full" in the same context as the N R A saying they "fully" support the 2nd Amendment. LOL