Wow! Looks like the kids have been busy while I was out of town. OK, boys and girls, I see I’ve stirred up something of a hornet’s nest among the smaller lighter minds in the group.
Still, this nonsense is worthy of some small reply. I’m not going to make a habit out of this, though, because I have previously encountered and do understand the temperament of too many, ‘plebeians with guns’; consequently, I’m only going to make one more reply in this thread. So, are you ready?
Military carries C1...C3 on the battlefield will get you killed
Ahh, you might want to check your facts. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no military service that has not, at one time or another, employed C-3 carry both in and out of battle. The only thing you can say with a degree of honesty is that C-3 carry will get YOU killed. That, however, hasn’t been true for me. I’ve been able to do just fine with it. (But, then again, unlike many of you, ‘internet gunfighting experts’ I know how!)
Thanks for the input there Mr. High and Mighty. Great writing skills. Do you write for some liberal elitist magazine or College? I see you like to mention the condition to which people carry their weapons which lends reference to your being a cop, high ranking ex-military or heck maybe you are Pennsylvania / Government congressman or worked in the Judicial system that thinks that only highly trained professionals should carry guns. Whatever the case, maybe you should keep out of site 'cause we all are carrying C-1 brother.
Hey, with the direct name calling! If I’m, ‘Mr. High and Mighty’ who are you? ‘Mr. Low and Pathetic’. (Do you, still, like my writing skills?) If you’re going to SPECIFICALLY address someone like that, be a man and do it to his face. Otherwise, shut-up!
By the way, I doubt you’ve got what it takes to be, ‘my brother’. I’ve spent a good part of my life running with lions - not dogs. It’s only on occasions like this that I have to be concerned about catching fleas.
So Arc Angel, How does someone in the fantasy world YOU live in "safely" carry a REVOLVER????
I carry older single action revolvers with 5 in the cylinder and an empty chamber under the hammer. I carry modern double action revolvers with 6 all the way around. In your enthusiasm to get in on this you have apparently forgotten that Cooper’s classification system applies strictly to semiautomatic weapons. See that! You’re obviously someone who needs to reread what I’ve said: You’re too prone to careless thinking and making mistakes.
Arc Angel you can wait on the highly trained police. You will be waiting an average of 23 minutes nationwide. I chose to carry condition one and have for over 25 years with complete safety, with carry comes great responsibility. I will also promise never to inflict my beliefs on you or your family nor will I aid or assist you in their defense, you have a cell phone you can use. Peace, Love, Colt 45, Condition 1.
What does average police response time have to do with anything I’ve said? Now are you, also, saying that you’ve been carrying a 1911 pattern, or a pretensioned striker-fired pistol around in C-1 for the past 25 years? (That would mean you are one of the very first Americans to have purchased a Glock!)
You brought it up; so I’m going to tell you: Anyone who carries a fully charged 1911 around with him all day long is an idiot. I carried 1911’s for 25 years, too. At today’s prices I’d like to have $100 dollars for every time I reached down to my side and found my tightly fitted Swenson ambi-safety clicked off! If you’ve got an active lifestyle then it’s going to happen! You tell me what will, also, happen on the draw if a gunman’s trigger finger discipline is anything less than perfect?
Sad news! You have already broken your promise by already inflicting your opinions on me. Neither do I want, or require, you to do any of my gunfighting for me. I’m perfectly competent to do all of that, myself, without any outside interference from you.
You are not dead yet, but maybe old ???? and being alive means you can still change your avocation and take up golf if that is what you want. It will be the same as saying "the higher up you go, the smaller your balls..." Go on, give up your gun, or better yet, sell it. Your life and your family's safety doesn't really mean anything to you, so why have it/them? Entertainment? Golf is better entertainment, believe me...!! for your kind anyway. Don't worry about us here...we will survive happily without you. Go join a golf forum instead. We won't miss you...and when you go, we will all celebrate and have a drink. Cheers ... Drive safely. Don't let us get in your way.
Your attempt at humor is, both, anemic and somewhat salacious. I tell you what: I won’t refer to anyone’s (well used?) vagina if you won’t refer to anyone’s balls. How’s that!
He would have someone else carry the gun ( cops ) or have one empty chamber. Need we remind him of our favorite DEA agent?
I don’t know who’s the bigger schmuck? You or Lee Paige? (Neither of whom has anything worthwhile to contribute to this topic.)
After reading this entire thread I felt I had to respond. First, there is no such thing as an accidental discharge. It is all NEGLIGENCE when it comes to a weapon. AD is something that happens during sex. (Different gun. I know it's confusing but lets try to keep it straight.) Second, if a person intends to do you harm, no matter the weapon they choose, they have the upper hand because they know what action they want to commit. You are REACTING and that is always slower than your aggressor. Therefore, having one "in the pipe" does not make you a cowboy or Clint Eastwood but it does make you that half a second faster and that could save your life. I would ask you to watch/read anything by MSgt Donvito (USMC Ret.) and/or Gavin DeBecker that has to do with personal defense. These two are not "gun guys" but they have a lot of insight into personal protection and what it takes to defend yourself. Most of the people here are not seeking the moment that we can draw or use our personal weapon but we are prepared for the worst case scenario. There is no "circle jerk" or personal arousal satisfaction that comes from carrying. It is merely an understanding of the potential dangers that surround us daily and accepting what we need to do to be prepared for it. For you and some others that is condition 3, for me and some others that is condition 1. Either way we are carrying a firearm in the protection of ourselves, our family and our friends in a daily basis. That is a good thing and what we rightfully have as Americans.
My goodness, a largely civil reply! I, almost, don’t know how to respond! Yes, Marine, I’m well aware of the Corps established policy on sidearms and their proper carry. (Maybe you should enlighten, ‘what’s his name’ who incorrectly responded above?) Now, although I wish the Marines had taught you how to use paragraphs along with guns, I’m going to try to get through the rest of your undistinguished response.
(Watch this! Here’s what I mean by, ‘paragraphs’.) Listen, my friend, while I have no intention of making a bunch of bullying close-minded gun toters any smarter than I prefer them to be, as a courtesy to you, I am going to address your question: IF a half second’s worth of response time actually makes a difference between life and death for you, then, I’m going to suggest that you’ve already made other far more serious mistakes, and have already screwed up well in advance of that, ‘pregnant moment’. (I’m writing from personal experience.)
What is more, it’s a well known fact that a vast majority of those who carry sidearms around with themselves all day long never have been, and are never going to be, in an, ‘instantaneous CQB ambush’. (You’ve got to have a night job at a liquor or convenience store before the probability for this to happen suddenly goes up.) From, ‘cradle to grave’ a vast majority of these C-1 civilians are never going to need to use a fully charged pistol instantaneously - Never!
In reference to everyday CIVILIAN carry: What so many of these C-1, ‘gun yahoos’ (It’s only an insult IF you have reason to take it personally - OK.) are actually doing is needlessly endangering: themselves, their families, their friends, and everyone else who must come into contact with them while they are carrying. When you compare the numerous risks of civilian C-1 carry to the probable likelihood of being involved in an, ‘instantaneous CQB ambush’ the presumed necessity to carry in C-1 becomes nearly infinitesimal. The risks far outweigh any conceivable advantage.
Law enforcement might - might - be an exception for C-1 carry; however, I know - or have, otherwise, heard or read about - a large number of police officers who’ve screwed up with a C-1 gun in hand, and hurt either themselves, or someone else - You’re a gun forum aficionado, right; perhaps you have, too? Now, I’d like to separate and directly address one of your final remarks:
Most of the people here are not seeking the moment that we can draw or use our personal weapon but we are prepared for the worst case scenario. There is no "circle jerk" or personal arousal satisfaction that comes from carrying. It is merely an understanding of the potential dangers that surround us daily and accepting what we need to do to be prepared for it.
You’re an older man, correct? Then you’ve lived long enough to know that there certainly is a, ‘circle jerk’ aspect to a very great deal of everyday civilian carry and firearm use. I mean, come on! I spend a lot of time on: private, commercial, and public firing lines. I see these armed and self-aggrandizing attitudes and behaviors among the general public all of the time. I further suspect you and I have, both, lived long enough to prefer to shoot on the far right side of any firing line we’re on. (You know, ‘Why’ - correct!)
It most certainly is a rant when you are calling people jerks, morons and schmucks and a few other names in your post!
The use of emotionally charged language is, both, my prerogative as well as indicative of my personal opinion; AND I stated it as such. Don’t blame me if I’ve, somehow, hit a personal chord with you. I mean, hey, your posts might seem like rants to me, too. It’s just that I don’t deliberately call them out as such.
OK, people! I’m done with this now. There ain’t no percentage in arguing with a pile of bricks. Apparently I haven’t changed any of your opinions; and, trust me on this, none of you have changed any of mine. However more articulate, better written, and more reasonable responses would have been appreciated. (‘Water from stones’, right!) :wink:
