Why is .45 the new 9mm?

B2Tall said:
Well I can pretty much promise you that they will shoot if you draw.
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Or not they may have an Oh Crap moment and run. They may be inaccurate as hell. I may be a half a step from cover. God Himself may intervene on my behalf. Either way I like my chances better trying than hoping.

B2Tall said:
And isn't it pretty much SOP for armed robbers to already have a gun pointed at you when they demand your valuables?? I always thought thats how it worked.
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I wasn't aware that there was an SOP for what a crack head w/ a gun may or may not do in a given situation.


B2Tall said:
And I'm guessing that if they really meant to kill you I'm sure they'd just do it right off the bat and avoid any unnecessary chit-chat, then take your stuff.
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It's easier to get me to hand you my wallet and cash than to take it off my body or they may get a wild hair after I hand over my stuff and decide "No Witnesses"

Either way I'm going to fight
 
6shootercarry said:
The question was not shoot? don't shoot? The question was; Why is .45 the new 9mm?

Back to topic...Please...
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You're right - back to the topic.

I like 9MM because I can shoot it with accuracy slightly faster than a .45. That means I can take out 20 armed BGs before they can return fire instead of maybe 15 if I was using a .45. :rolleyes:
 
The 9mm came into favor when the "wondernines" came about in the 80s. One of the main reasons they were popular was the ability to hold 15+ rounds. After the assault weapons ban came about this advantage went away in favor of the larger caliber weapons since they can hold 10 rounds. After the ban sunset the 9mm never really re-gained the following.

Now we have .45ACPs that can hold 12-14 rounds with the same grip size so they are more popular. The 9mm is still an effective round though.
 
SC Tiger said:
The 9mm came into favor when the "wondernines" came about in the 80s. One of the main reasons they were popular was the ability to hold 15+ rounds. After the assault weapons ban came about this advantage went away in favor of the larger caliber weapons since they can hold 10 rounds. After the ban sunset the 9mm never really re-gained the following.

Now we have .45ACPs that can hold 12-14 rounds with the same grip size so they are more popular. The 9mm is still an effective round though.
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I'll buy into that thought process...:wink:

Since we gun owners here in MA have the same magazine capacity limit enforced today, I decided on the .45ACP (and also the 40S&W) as the carry caliber when I looked into autos for carry. The M&P45 full size I chose has a 10 round magazine and with the limit placed on it, I decided to make the 10 rounds count with larger more punishing rounds.

In my time I've done some non scientific real world damage testing using water filled 1 gallon containers in different configurations w/ .380auto, 9mm, .38Spec, .357mag, 45ACP, and .44Mag..
The magnum calibers were the obvious performers as far as damage done. The .45 was next for over all damage. The smaller calibers tended to punch holes through the containers. I know the composition of the human body and the containers used differs...

This was also some 20 or so years ago and ammo design has changed over time, but we were using ammo such as Black Talon, Federal Hydra Shok, Winchester White Box PD, Remington JHP etc. Most of which is still in use today.

I'll add a 9mm to the collection for the cheaper ammo prices. I still like the performance of the .45 over the 9mm for carry. That's me...
 
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SC Tiger said:
The 9mm came into favor when the "wondernines" came about in the 80s. One of the main reasons they were popular was the ability to hold 15+ rounds. After the assault weapons ban came about this advantage went away in favor of the larger caliber weapons since they can hold 10 rounds. After the ban sunset the 9mm never really re-gained the following.

Now we have .45ACPs that can hold 12-14 rounds with the same grip size so they are more popular. The 9mm is still an effective round though.
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I chose a XDM in 45acp for a couple of reasons. First my dad had (and now I own it) a US army 1917 45 revolver. He told me the story that the Army issued .38's and found that they had no effect so reissued the 45 and those had the desired effect. I have no idea if the story is true, but hey, would my dad lie to me? That revolver is way too big to conceal carry. And a .38 is close to a 9mm in size.

Second, my XDM has a 13 round mag and when I carry I have two more mags. I'm also a big guy and can handle the gun fairly well. I shoot better with my 45 than my friend that I shoot with does with his 9mm and we got the guns and started shooting at the same time.

Third the nice slow lumbering round of the 45 is more likely to deposit all of its energy in what I hit. The 9mm, being similar energy but faster and with a smaller wound channel, may have a higher tendency to pass through. But then it's target placement so they perform similarly, if you hit the same thing.

That said, I saw on one site for personal security tactics that they preferred jacketed ball ammo over hollow points - the reason was to have the bullet pass through so the BG has 2 holes to bleed from for each round rather than one. The clients of private security are usually to protect VIP's and VRP's (Very Rich People), to protect the one that signs their checks, not to protect oneself and assume the client will take care of the aftermath.
 
Typically carry 45 concealed no problem been carrying for a long time, also like 40, I am in favor of the larger slower round, with modern loads 45 is out the barrel very quickly, besides 1/2 mass x velocity squared works for me.
 
Nightmare45 said:
Typically carry 45 concealed no problem been carrying for a long time, also like 40, I am in favor of the larger slower round, with modern loads 45 is out the barrel very quickly, besides 1/2 mass x velocity squared works for me.
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The math does make it easy to choose the round for self defense...
 
Most cops are not good shots, therefore more ammo capacity works is better for them. 40 cal Glocks are a good compromise of capacity and power.
 
gynojunkie said:
So, Treo, who's posting about 40 MILLIMETER? Mortar? Aerial bomb?

Me? Where?

.40 = 40 cal = 400/1000" or....10 mm
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gynojunkie said:
It's a large projectile and, whether RN or JHP, large projectiles make big wounds and stopping power (I don't care a hoot about 'one-shot stops'); I also reload and the .45 is simple, straight, fairly easy and low pressure; 9 mm & 40 mm can get very twitchy on the reload,
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http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-discussion/15960-why-45-new-9mm.html#post173196

Does the phrase "Hoisted on your own petard" mean anything to you?
 
Once upon a time this was a good forum full of helpful people. Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. People come here to learn things that might save their lives. You guys really need to keep that in mind before you start trolling and running people off, or their blood will be on your hands.:mad:
 
Austin said:
Once upon a time this was a good forum full of helpful people. Y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. People come here to learn things that might save their lives. You guys really need to keep that in mind before you start trolling and running people off, or their blood will be on your hands.:mad:
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lol seriously...? Anytime there are opinions there will be differing opinions...if people can't handle that on the internet, maybe they should reconsider using the internet.....no one's blood is on anyone's hands
 
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