Waffle House Shooting (Good Guy Wins)
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BluesStringer
Les Brers
Well, maybe not....
From PJMedia:
So the official conclusion about even the third shot is that it, too, was made in self-defense. And it was clarified by a Sheriff's Deputy specifically due to the sloppy wording in the same article we've been going back and forth about here.
CC'er or not, just as a concerned citizen Harrison had the authority to affect a Citizen's Arrest. I would not have recommended he got close enough to the perp for him to have had the opportunity to go after Harrison's gun, and it was that part of the story from the beginning that lead me to grade the encounter A-/B+, and now after reading a subsequent official account, I'm back to that grade.
NEVER trust media accounts without corroboration, especially about stories involving law-abiding citizens and guns.
Blues
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Rich_S:264726 said:Yep, I'm on his side as well.
I'm guessing that you probably wouldn't be if the round that was fired off during the struggle while the 22 year old young man was trying to do the job of the police had hit you or someone you care about. Total fail by the ccw holder.....
Still siding with the cc're as well...
Funny, I never read anything about him hitting someone I care about...or him hitting anyone that was innocent...are you sure you read the same incident?
I'm guessing you would be okay if that round was fired off after the criminal tells your wife to turn around and get on her knees with a gun pointed at the back of her head and hits the criminal, stopping any further harm to come to your wife.
When it all comes down to it, this is SC and there are entirely too many crimes like this happening on an daily, almost hourly basis.
Punks like this need to understand, obviously not this one, but others, that the people here are tired of it.
There is not a doubt in my mind that if that punk was forced to leave without his booty, he would have turned around and emptied his magazine back through the windows of the WH, Lord knows what damage he would have done.
The only mistake, in my mind, that this CC'r made was not taking out the punk as soon as he raised his gun the first time. Maybe he didn't have a clear shot, I wasn't there.
Before I get chastised, NO, this is not the opinion I would use in a class I taught but as long as everybody is letting their hair down here, I will also.
I don't fault RichS for his thought's on this, he lives in a different world and maybe has no idea the mindset of the predator common in SC. We know, we see and we're sick of it!
There is room for the opinion of all hands here but if the opinion is not your's, even 180 out, there shouldn't be name calling.
This is a prime example why Gun Laws should not be made by the Federal Government. Situations are different in different areas of the US.
Don't come to SC looking for trouble or might just just find more than you can handle.
One more thought. Are we sure the CC'r fired a warning shot or may he have had his finger on the trigger when he should not have and had a 'negligent' round go off.
I'm sure that when you think you might die, you probably not going to do everything right. Unless we can see a video, we can suppose all day what events, in what order took place.
In this case, in my mind, all's well that ends well!
KK
Punks like this need to understand, obviously not this one, but others, that the people here are tired of it.
There is not a doubt in my mind that if that punk was forced to leave without his booty, he would have turned around and emptied his magazine back through the windows of the WH, Lord knows what damage he would have done.
The only mistake, in my mind, that this CC'r made was not taking out the punk as soon as he raised his gun the first time. Maybe he didn't have a clear shot, I wasn't there.
Before I get chastised, NO, this is not the opinion I would use in a class I taught but as long as everybody is letting their hair down here, I will also.
I don't fault RichS for his thought's on this, he lives in a different world and maybe has no idea the mindset of the predator common in SC. We know, we see and we're sick of it!
There is room for the opinion of all hands here but if the opinion is not your's, even 180 out, there shouldn't be name calling.
This is a prime example why Gun Laws should not be made by the Federal Government. Situations are different in different areas of the US.
Don't come to SC looking for trouble or might just just find more than you can handle.
One more thought. Are we sure the CC'r fired a warning shot or may he have had his finger on the trigger when he should not have and had a 'negligent' round go off.
I'm sure that when you think you might die, you probably not going to do everything right. Unless we can see a video, we can suppose all day what events, in what order took place.
In this case, in my mind, all's well that ends well!
KK
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I "Liked" everything except the warning shot question. There was no warning shot or accidental or negligent discharge, and that is the official conclusion of the Sheriff's Office. All three discharges were ruled legitimate acts of self-defense. Please see my post #342.
Blues
Blues
Yeah, I didn't see the 'warning shot' words used but it sounded like it may have been after reading all accounts. Maybe he just missed one time, I don't know.
In any case, I don't think the Sheriff's Dept takes this action with a grain of salt and if they say it was a good shoot, that's good enough for me and it should be good enough for the general public and a warning to predators. It would be interesting to know how many robberies will be thwarted because of this deterrent. We will never know though.
KK
In any case, I don't think the Sheriff's Dept takes this action with a grain of salt and if they say it was a good shoot, that's good enough for me and it should be good enough for the general public and a warning to predators. It would be interesting to know how many robberies will be thwarted because of this deterrent. We will never know though.
KK
I'm trying to figure out where this notion of a negligent discharge came from. I don't see anything in any reporting of this story about a negligent discharge.
Now come one, KK.... we all know that the known possibility of getting shot and killed does not deter criminals. It's all about "the element of surprise". Right?
Now come one, KK.... we all know that the known possibility of getting shot and killed does not deter criminals. It's all about "the element of surprise". Right?
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Navy, it wasn't reported as a ND or warning shot. I think Rich_S was the one who used the ND terminology, and I think KK just recently used the warning shot, but neither meme was really all that far fetched if taken from the following post/article:
The wording they used to describe the encounter with the unarmed robber was sloppy to say the least:
This one paragraph from that article apparently caused so much stir that the Sheriff had to issue the clarification in my post #342.
I didn't slam Rich_S for the "ND" language, or anything else for that matter, but that certainly wasn't the only thing he got wrong in this mess. He also described the armed robber as having simply "swept" Harrison and that's when Harrison double-tapped him. Even the sloppy account has him "pointing" his Hi-Point at Harrison, implying something more akin to taking aim than carelessly sweeping the muzzle around the room and unjustifiably paying for it with his life.
And of course, the ol' "when you pull a gun you have to use it" rule in relation to the unarmed robber. That was ummm......well.....I'll maintain my record of having not slammed anyone in this thread, but I didn't find that statement particularly confidence-inspiring coming from an instructor.
Anyway, that's where the ND and warning shot memes came from.
Blues
Yeah, thats why I mentioned a possible ND, like I said, after reading all accounts. It sounded like it but who knows now?
And Navy, yes, the element of surprise will get the bad guy by at times but then again, it depends on who he's trying to get by and who else is watching.
I am quite sure you will be one of the ones who are always watching, right?
But wait, with you OC'ing, the BG may never have in come in there, right?
It's all good! The BG is gone and GG walks away.
KK
And Navy, yes, the element of surprise will get the bad guy by at times but then again, it depends on who he's trying to get by and who else is watching.
I am quite sure you will be one of the ones who are always watching, right?
But wait, with you OC'ing, the BG may never have in come in there, right?
It's all good! The BG is gone and GG walks away.
KK
S&W645
NRA Life Member
This robber was unarmed so you are just going to shoot him? That would have gotten the CCP holder in trouble but with the robber trying to grab the gun, justified to shoot.
Two criminals entered the restaurant, one was apparently armed, the other not known but probably not. They ordered everyone on the floor and the employees to the back room. Customer confronts the bad guys. The one with the gun points it at the customer and gets shot twice and killed. The other, probably unarmed, criminal attempts to flee. Customer attempts to stop him. Struggle happens. Second criminal attempts to grab the customer's gun. Customer fires one shot and second criminal flees.
It's interesting to note how the 18 year old angel of a young boy who "has never done anything like this before" was the one with the gun. Yeah, right.
Not so interesting as par for the course around here. Church going youth as well! Same old SC story. I'm surprised Uncle Jesse hasn't shown up yet.
KK
Well, good thing the kid was 18. If he was 17 then Federal law would have prohibited him from possessing a handgun and he would have had to use a finger in the pocket, because we know he would not illegally possess a gun.
Treo
Bullet Proof
Ok
Herding people around = bad Ju Ju I would fight at that point too. As for the other, I'm not a cop if the bad guy runs out the door I'm good
so you're saying that was you?
rrman12280
New member
Same question as jhodge.
rrman12280
New member
If you are who you say you are, then my hat goes off to you. However, how can we be sure you are not an imposter? Unfortunately, the question has to be asked for obvious reasons in todays world.
