Ringo
A WATCHMAN
Pot calling the kettle black as usual.
The dumb girls at Fox....read their backgrounds...
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In keeping with the times, why do you have to be racist about this?
Rhino
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Oh, what a sheltered life you lead. You're confusing knowledge with intelligence. While we might certainly debate the precise definition of the term "moron", there are without any doubt, legions of college graduates out there that are complete idiots. College may indeed increase your knowledge if you judge that simply by measuring how much a person can memorize. But memorizing more data doesn't make a person smarter, and if there's anything that American college students teach us on a regular basis, it's that they absolutely do NOT have the market cornered on being smart. Knowledge does indeed mean a person knows more, but you're confusing that with intelligence. I can memorize a list of items you've never seen and that makes me more knowledgeable until you have the chance to memorize the list yourself. But it doesn't make me smarter, even if I spend a lot of money and time getting there as your statement seems to list as qualifications. I've worked with PhDs who were as dumb as a post, and with high school grads who were some of the most intelligent people I've ever met. The amount of schooling they had, time they spent there, or amount money they spent on their education wasn't in any way a qualifier of their intelligence, or even of their knowledge. You have hit upon the common threads that delineate those with educations, but it wasn't knowledge or intelligence. It was those who could spend a lot of money and spend a lot of time getting those educations. If you have the ability to memorize information, and you can spend the time and money necessary, that will determine far more than anything else if you get a college degree. Yes, there are people out there who malign college degrees simply out of envy or jealousy. But it would be a huge mistake to assume all college graduates are more valuable than non-graduates, or that anyone who downplays the significance of a degree is speaking simply out of envy or jealousy. The facts just simply would not be on your side. And in case you're wondering, yes, I have a college degree. Pretty fair chance I'd kick butt in a spelling contest too.
CaptHerp
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Perhaps, but not MY butt. I haven't used spellcheck in my life.
That being said, "moron" in this case is a term that leftists typically throw out there not because the target of their ridicule is demonstrably less intelligent than they are, but because of two reasons:
1. They believe that by ridiculing someone else it will make them look better (stupid, but nasty humans do this all the time) and
2. They believe that anyone not agreeing with all leftist ideology is stupid.
I believe you're confusing "street smart" with intelligence. In short, people who think on their feet and can get away with things at the expense of other people may, in your estimation, be more "intelligent" while in my estimation they are simply rude, opportunistic dicks. That does not equal intelligence either, sorry.
Rhino
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With today’s technology it simply isn’t possible to have never used a spellchecker, but I get your meaning. Don’t worry. It wasn’t a challenge. I won’t dare you to meet me behind the gym after school.
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I never stated, suggested or even implied that I was referring to street smarts or someone thinking on their feet rather than true intelligence. I have no idea where you got that notion. Are you sure it was my post you were thinking of when you replied? It can get confusing sometimes, especially if you’re multitasking at the time.
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I also made no hint of anyone trying to get away with anything at the expense of others. If I were in the mood to do something like that, I could just maybe ......... act snobbish or arrogant about my education and intelligence and imply that others are less worthy if they don't have such an education. There are two reasons people might do something like that:
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1. They believe that by ridiculing someone else it will make them look better (stupid, but nasty humans do this all the time). They might do this by calling them names, such as rude, opportunistic dicks. and
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2. They believe that anyone not agreeing with their views on education is stupid.
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Fortunately I'm not in the mood to do something like that. It would be pretty rude.
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We’ve run into this exchange by means of the same mechanism that causes countless misunderstandings on the internet every day, the generalization. You suggested something as an absolute or axiomatic when it is nothing of the sort. Usually a generalization isn't that much of a big deal. They typically only result in minor misunderstandings, but when someone attempts to use generalizations as insults, their inherent inaccuracy often creates problems, particularly on a medium such as the internet where you don’t have the added value of non-written communication elements, such as body language, voice inflection, etc. It becomes even worse if you're just dead wrong about something, as happened here.
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I can easily restate my post in a nutshell. Simply put, education does not simply equate to intelligence, nor does knowledge for that matter. Education can do wonders to expand your pool of knowledge, but that knowledge alone won't necessarily make you smarter. The numbers as so high as to seem axiomatic, but they aren't absolute. There are geniuses with no formal education and there are idiots with PhDs. I’ve met and worked with both, more than once and sometimes extensively. Your statements seem to indicate you don’t understand that due to your comments about "street smart" and “people who think on their feet” even though I’ve never said either of those things.
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As for the street smart people and those who think on their feet being “rude, opportunistic dicks”, I’ll take your word on that. Fortunately I’ve never been forced to work with anyone like that. And you didn’t have to tell me you were sorry. I don’t believe behavior like that would equal intelligence either. You can also drop the thinly veiled insult by attempting to imply that I did believe it, along with all the other veiled insults throughout your post. You aren't fooling me, and I find it extremely unlikely that you're fooling anyone else here either.
CaptHerp
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OK, I'm not sorry. And thanks for giving me permission to drop the thinly veiled insults. My, you're into nuance. And yes, it's possible to have never used a "spellchecker," as in seeking one out to go over my writing before I hit "send." There may be automatic programs that prompt people to change the spelling, but so far that hasn't happened to me, other than the programs confusing such words as there, their, or they're due to such programs having no idea about context. I ignore such things in any case.
You're pretty talented, fitting all that verbosity into a nutshell.
You're pretty talented, fitting all that verbosity into a nutshell.
CapGun
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Haven't read all the posts here but for what it's worth a little story that I think is an interesting comment on the state of education, but first....
It is a very rare situation where a High School drop out can actually demonstrate knowledge, intelligence or even superior "street smarts". They really do know so little. Having said that you CAN find College graduates that display the same amount of ignorance and stupidity.
Now to my little story.
Going back almost 14 yrs ago I was talking to a few guys at work. I was surprised to hear that they were trying to get their kids into the company we worked for even though they just graduated college. The job paid well but I was lost as to why one with a college degree would limit themselves both geographically and career wise.
I was met with comments that jobs were hard to come by so getting their kids on our job would be the best thing. My comment was with a degree that they could go anywhere unless they just drifted through college and just managed to get themselves recognition for spending time there. That would be their diploma. I said did they distinguish themselves from others with hard work and made them more employable. Again questioning the value of their College degree.
I was told the the company now required a College degree as opposed to when we hired on. My question to that was "doesn't the company now require new hires to take a math test?" Back in the day even with just a basic HS diploma they didn't require that. That my friends might be an interesting value now placed on a run of the mill basic College education!
It is a very rare situation where a High School drop out can actually demonstrate knowledge, intelligence or even superior "street smarts". They really do know so little. Having said that you CAN find College graduates that display the same amount of ignorance and stupidity.
Now to my little story.
Going back almost 14 yrs ago I was talking to a few guys at work. I was surprised to hear that they were trying to get their kids into the company we worked for even though they just graduated college. The job paid well but I was lost as to why one with a college degree would limit themselves both geographically and career wise.
I was met with comments that jobs were hard to come by so getting their kids on our job would be the best thing. My comment was with a degree that they could go anywhere unless they just drifted through college and just managed to get themselves recognition for spending time there. That would be their diploma. I said did they distinguish themselves from others with hard work and made them more employable. Again questioning the value of their College degree.
I was told the the company now required a College degree as opposed to when we hired on. My question to that was "doesn't the company now require new hires to take a math test?" Back in the day even with just a basic HS diploma they didn't require that. That my friends might be an interesting value now placed on a run of the mill basic College education!
SR9
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MacDonald's has one of the largest employment of college educated people in the world. And, their burgers still taste like garbage. Skilled labor is where it's at. Electricians, plumbers, carpenters, auto mechanics, all in demand. You may be able to drive a Mercedes, but I bet you can't fix it when it breaks down. Oh, and they do break down. Never saw a auto dealer that didn't have a repair shop behind the showroom.
Rhino
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LOL. Fair enough. I guess I have big nutshells.
Rhino
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I've seen a lot of people waste their education. Whether it be due to them preferring to remain ignorant might be a lively debate.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I'm a HS dropout, and I'll put my knowledge, vocabulary, practical math abilities, work-ethic or any other metric that the later-in-life GED'ers like myself that you just maligned might (in your imagination) be so deficient of as to make them (us) such inferior thinkers and/or holders of real knowledge.
Elitism should never be mistaken for educated, and lacking an education should never be mistaken for proof of stupidity or the inability to learn and absorb the deepest meanings from the knowledge they acquire throughout life.
I left HS because I was bored stiff. I'll guaran-damn-tee ya that I've learned more and accomplished more in my life than 70 or 80% of the kids I went to school with.
Blues
