Um yes. Anyone who does carry openly without an active retention device is just asking to have their gun snatched, in my opinion. If you're going to spend several hundred dollars on a firearm, why wouldn't anyone spend just as much to protect their investment? Dumb, dumb, dumb!
Um yes. Anyone who does carry openly without an active retention device is just asking to have their gun snatched, in my opinion. If you're going to spend several hundred dollars on a firearm, why wouldn't anyone spend just as much to protect their investment? Dumb, dumb, dumb!
Um yes. Anyone who does carry openly without an active retention device is just asking to have their gun snatched, in my opinion. If you're going to spend several hundred dollars on a firearm, why wouldn't anyone spend just as much to protect their investment? Dumb, dumb, dumb!
And yet you show us no evidence of a civilian having their gun snatched. Ever try to pull a gun out of a fobus holster? Its only coming one way.
Same can be said for leather. The right fit is the right fit. Also, if you're letting folks get that close you have no idea what situational awareness is. I dont mean you personally there. I mean in general.
Im not arguing either way. It should be legal to OC everywhere period. Thats not to say everyone has to.
You can't have your arm down at your side at all times, such as when you're standing in line to sign your credit card receipt or write a check. Just a fact.
Nope, I have no evidence of this and haven't tried to find any. Would you openly carry a handgun in a holster with no active retention? Would you walk into a crowd carrying this way?
... I'd rather have a retention device than not. You can't have your arm down at your side at all times, such as when you're standing in line to sign your credit card receipt or write a check. Just a fact.
Yes, and have done so in the past, and probably will in the future. Cases like that, thumb hooks in my pocket and elbow tucks the weapon. Heck, I do that in a crowd even when i'm CC'ing.
Never said that active retention was a bad idea, but I would argue that they are not strictly necessary. There are definitely going to be times when it's handy.
If I have to use my right hand in a situation like that I will twist my body a bit so the gun is between me and the counter to make it less accessible. Or, barring that make sure that the weapon is on the far side of my body from the nearest other person. Not perfect for sure, but better than nothing. Plus, that sort of situation is usually fairly low-risk in the first place (and, for me anyway, my wife/son is right behind me 99% of the time, I rarely go shopping w/o them, 4/6 eyes are better than 2).
Not everyone has somebody with them all the time of course. I guess it's just a matter of comfort (psychological) and personal acceptance of risk.
It's better to just have a retention device.
It's better to just have a retention device.
Sounds like we'll have to agree to disagree. I still don't see that it makes a whole lot of actual difference one way or the other. "Better" when you're talking about holsters is more in the preference in the user.
Quoting Glockster20: On the back of the CC permit in AL. are six rules. First rule on the list;
"This pistol permit does not permit you to carry a gun openly"."
My pistol permit, issued in Washington County on 7/24/08 mentions only one rule: "Void if under the influence of alchhol or drugs." Does each county have their own cards? I know the county sherriffs can handle concealed carry however they like, but I undersood that open carry was unrestricted statewide. Is your sherriff overstepping legal bounds?
Sounds to me like you need a statewide standard that every county has to abide by. Here in Michigan, CPLs are issued by county gun boards, but they all have to follow the same rules and regs. No putting on special rules that they prefer over some other county gun board.Quoting Glockster20: On the back of the CC permit in AL. are six rules. First rule on the list;
"This pistol permit does not permit you to carry a gun openly"."
My pistol permit, issued in Washington County on 7/24/08 mentions only one rule: "Void if under the influence of alchhol or drugs." Does each county have their own cards? I know the county sherriffs can handle concealed carry however they like, but I undersood that open carry was unrestricted statewide. Is your sherriff overstepping legal bounds?
Sounds to me like you need a statewide standard that every county has to abide by. Here in Michigan, CPLs are issued by county gun boards, but they all have to follow the same rules and regs. No putting on special rules that they prefer over some other county gun board.
Quoting Glockster20: On the back of the CC permit in AL. are six rules. First rule on the list;
"This pistol permit does not permit you to carry a gun openly"."
My pistol permit, issued in Washington County on 7/24/08 mentions only one rule: "Void if under the influence of alchhol or drugs." Does each county have their own cards? I know the county sherriffs can handle concealed carry however they like, but I undersood that open carry was unrestricted statewide. Is your sherriff overstepping legal bounds?
Of course the permit does not "permit" you to open carry. You do not need a permit to carry openly. That statement is merely there for intimidation. People are always asking where in the Alabama Code does it allow you to open carry? It isn't in the code. If there is no law written which specifically forbids something, then it is legal to do so. I had a permit in Henry County, AL for years. You have a lot more rights than you know.
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