Obama 2nd term "abolish gun rights"

We know the criminals will. They always do.

If following the law is to not make one a criminal, and if breaking the law makes you a criminal, would both of those suppositions be valid if the law is unconstitutional (illegal)? For today, I may or may not carry (depending on who's reading this) in no-gun zones. Does that make me a criminal in the light of the first sentence above?

I know what you meant however in that those committing crimes may or may not do so using a gun, or may or may not have a gun with them while breaking the law(s).

For me, it's black and white and easy to read and understand. If a law limits your carrying by way of what you can carry, where or when then the law is unconstitutional, it is an illegal law. It matters not to me who thinks what is or is not a valid limitation on our carrying (bearing) arms, if it's a limitation it's an infringement and therefore illegal. Lawyers who wish to complicate the issue with jargon that requires a law degree or equivalent to decipher can kiss my a$$ and take their purposeful and professional self interest related verbal complications and drown themselves.

In the interest of keeping this post within the threads subject matter, those lawyers can chain themselves to not only a concrete block but also to the nearest anti-Constitutional (left wing) legislator that is still in office after 2012. One will need an additional chain for ObaMao regardless of the election results.
 
Sorry! I don't buy into the "Obama is going to take our guns" hysteria. There's not a shred of evidence to support the torrent of innuendo that whirls around this topic. As a community organizer in Chicago, Obama made some comments about the need for more effective gun controls within the city. He may, or may not, have been justified. That's for Chicagoans to debate.

As president, Obama has steadfastly supported the second amendment. True, there may be some folks around him that are not equally supportive of gun rights...but Obama has not shown the slightest inclination, as president, to implement additional dun controls aside from some additional documentation on bulk purchases of certain categories of guns.

So, despite the urgings of numerous groups...most of whom are always asking for my money...I refuse to live in fear that someone is coming to my home, to take my guns.
 
NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said all of this. Is there any proof that President Obama wants to take away the second amendment? Sorry but I go by fact not somebody's opinion.
Review Obama's record in both the Illinois Senate and US Senate. Numerous statements to the press and in speeches. $1.5 million given to the Violence Policy Center, support for the UN gun ban, prosecuting legal owners who use a gun within the home for self defense if a local town board outlaws guns, supports municipalities right to abolish guns regardless of state laws, tried to make handguns illegal. The list goes on and on.
 
The only problem I have with this is again somebody said he said : Obama: We’re working on gun control “under the radar” « Hot Air
The way the Republican candidates are attacking women's choice and the LGBT community is what I have a problem with. President Obama changed the way he originally mandated birth control to respect religion. I have not heard the Republican candidates change theirs.

Are you freakin' kidding? You think it's about birth control??? You are one of many that have trouble with priorities. Birth control ... this is what's worrying you as the country goes right down the toilet. Yes, let us all focus on birth control and wake up slaves to the elite ruling class! Iran, debt, unemployment and an attack on the first amendment and other type subjects should take a back seat to birth control! Your priority is right on! "Beam me up Scotty!"
 
Review Obama's record in both the Illinois Senate and US Senate. Numerous statements to the press and in speeches. $12 milliomn given to the Violence Policy Center, support for the UN gun ban, prosecuting legal owners who use a gun within the home for self defense if a local town board outlaws guns, supports municipalities right to abolish guns regardless of state laws, tried to make handguns illegal. The list goes on and on.

Timmy should share his drugs so we can all be so enlightened!
 
Sorry! I don't buy into the "Obama is going to take our guns" hysteria. There's not a shred of evidence to support the torrent of innuendo that whirls around this topic. As a community organizer in Chicago, Obama made some comments about the need for more effective gun controls within the city. He may, or may not, have been justified. That's for Chicagoans to debate.

As president, Obama has steadfastly supported the second amendment. True, there may be some folks around him that are not equally supportive of gun rights...but Obama has not shown the slightest inclination, as president, to implement additional dun controls aside from some additional documentation on bulk purchases of certain categories of guns.

So, despite the urgings of numerous groups...most of whom are always asking for my money...I refuse to live in fear that someone is coming to my home, to take my guns.

Oh boy. Where do I begin? Some of you guys need to do your homework. Let's educate everyone. Please check the sources for accuracy before making ludicrous statements.

Obama endorsed the Washington D.C. gun ban which was overturned as unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court. He did this calling the ban “commonsense gun safety”. SOURCE: Washington Post. The justices made their point clear during the hearings that requiring a gun to be locked or disassembled, and therefore nonoperational, is equal to a complete ban. SOURCE: Supreme Court hearing transcripts published by the attorneys for respondent Heller  Pleadings :: Parker v. District of Columbia, et al., see transcripts, motions, pleadings and amicus briefs.

Obama endorsed Senator Ted Kennedy’s bill S.2605, a bill that seeks to ban the manufacture, importation, and transfer (sale, etc.) of any semi-automatic pistol that does not possess “a microscopic array of characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the gun by stamping both sets of characters into the cartridge case of a round of ammunition, when the round is fired.” SOURCE: United States Senate – overview and discussions S.2605.

Obama supports the creation of a national law against carrying concealed weapons, with exceptions for retired police and military personnel. In the past six years, 40 states have enacted legislation allowing law abiding citizens to obtain a concealed carry permit for purposes of personal protection. A national law would seek to overturn the will of the people in those states while subverting the 10th and 14th amendment rights of those states to create such a law. SOURCE: Link Removed. Obama was further quoted by the Chicago Tribune as saying “I oppose allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and a federal law banning concealed carry weapons is needed.” SOURCE: Chicago Tribune.

Obama served as a member of the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation, a rabid anti-gun organization who provided $18,000,000 in funding for draconian anti-gun legislation which targeted the honest law abiding citizen. Funding included $1.5 million to the extreme liberal left Violence Policy Center.
SOURCES: The Joyce Foundation - Link Removed.
The Violence Policy Center  Link Removed.


Obama voted against an IL state law in May, 2004 protecting law abiding citizens who use a handgun in self defense in their homes or businesses despite municipal gun bans. This is the basic element of the 2nd amendment which Obama claims to support. SOURCE: IL State Legislative Voting Records.

Obama proposed a federal law banning licensed firearm dealers and sporting goods stores from operating their store within five miles of any park or school. The proposed bill failed to gain support. SOURCE: America’s First Freedom, May, 2008.

Obama, while an IL State Senator, voted to increase federal excise tax on guns and ammunition by 500%. He voted to ban the legal sale of compact handguns and to limit the frequency of gun purchases to one per month. He voted to ban the sale of any gun at any gun show by any licensed firearms dealer. He voted to charge any registered gun owner with a felony if his gun were stolen and used in a crime. He voted to prohibit anyone under the age of 21 from legally possessing any gun. He also voted to increase firearm dealer licensing fees and to prohibit police agencies from selling old service firearms. SOURCES: IL State Voting Records, America’s First Freedom, May, 2008.

The past is a great predictor of the future. I'd be very concerned if he wins again. Nothing to lose in his second term. He'll absolutely go after the guns.
 
Hey, Timmy and nogods and the rest of us > > > We're all "Catholics" now! If not who will stand up for you when the "regime" comes to get ya? hmmmmmm???
 
Sorry! I don't buy into the "Obama is going to take our guns" hysteria. There's not a shred of evidence to support the torrent of innuendo that whirls around this topic. As a community organizer in Chicago, Obama made some comments about the need for more effective gun controls within the city. He may, or may not, have been justified. That's for Chicagoans to debate.

As president, Obama has steadfastly supported the second amendment. True, there may be some folks around him that are not equally supportive of gun rights...but Obama has not shown the slightest inclination, as president, to implement additional dun controls aside from some additional documentation on bulk purchases of certain categories of guns.

So, despite the urgings of numerous groups...most of whom are always asking for my money...I refuse to live in fear that someone is coming to my home, to take my guns.

I don't believe BO is a gun lover by any stretch of the imagination but I agree with the rest of your post. He's powerless w/o the support of the senate, house, and SCOTUS....and he knows it. If he couldn't do it when the Dems controlled Capitol Hill, he sure-as-shootin' (pun intended) isn't going to do it now. In terms of gun control, he had far more power as a senator on the state and local level in IL than he does as President.

I'm with you....I'm not going to live in fear about something I don't believe has a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening.
 
He's doing it. The wheels are in motion! Really.

There's a difference in wanting to do it and being able to do it. He's not able to do it. Outside of a handful of loudmouth, high-profile pols, he has no support.

He's not Hitler and he's not Stalin and he'll never have the absolute power that those men had.
 
There's a difference in wanting to do it and being able to do it. H'e not able to do it. Outside of a handful of loudmouth, high-profile pols, he has no support.

He's not Hitler and he's not Stalin and he'll never have the absolute power that those men had.
Yeah but he need only appoint one anti-gun supreme court justice and the games can begin without congressional support. She can legislate from the bench without fear of reprisal. He already tried to nominate Caitlin Halligan to the court of appeals but was blocked by the GOP. Some may remember her from the infamous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers by Andrew Cuomo. This person or any other like her would be a disaster for America if the GOP could not raise enough votes to block her. obama wants her as his next appointee.
 
There's a difference in wanting to do it and being able to do it. H'e not able to do it. Outside of a handful of loudmouth, high-profile pols, he has no support.

He's not Hitler and he's not Stalin and he'll never have the absolute power that those men had.

ok so let me be more specific. to be technically correct for you I should have said he is facilitating it! It is all incremental. All you need is a complacent populace and a Congress that does not adhere to the Constitution! ok or you want a longer, more exact statement. BTW if all goes according to his/their plan someone,if not him will have that absolute power.
 
Yeah but he need only appoint one anti-gun supreme court justice and the games can begin without congressional support. She can legislate from the bench without fear of reprisal. He already tried to nominate Caitlin Halligan to the court of appeals but was blocked by the GOP. Some may remember her from the infamous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers by Andrew Cuomo. This person or any other like her would be a disaster for America if the GOP could not raise enough votes to block her. obama wants her as his next appointee.

SCOTUS doesn't make the laws. They rule on existing laws. Even with an anti-2A SCOTUS, any bill would have to pass the senate and house first. That's nowhere near happening. Also, SC justices have to be approved by congress.

I do appreciate the watchdog attitude that you and other have with regards to 2A. I just don't think there's much of an issue here.
 
ok so let me be more specific. to be technically correct for you I should have said he is facilitating it! It is all incremental. All you need is a complacent populace and a Congress that does not adhere to the Constitution! ok or you want a longer, more exact statement. BTW if all goes according to his/their plan someone,if not him will have that absolute power.

The populace is hardly complacent. America loves it's guns and, on the whole, an anti-gun stance is a political death sentence for most members of congress. I may not wear my 2A support on my sleeve like others do but I still keep an eye on things.

As far as absolute power goes, I would like to know how BO would accomplish that. How would a POTUS go about becoming dictator-for-life??

In any case, like I said in my post above, I appreciate your 2A zeal.
 
Seriously. Doesn't take a genius to realize what this Obama guy is doing to America. I can settle for anybody else. Someone who at least has a little more respect for the office. We can facts all the facts we want. 2 nd term is when it really goes down. Remember Obama care doesn't kick in until 2013. There's a reason for that.
 
I find it amazing the Timothy R and a few others on this forum are so naive. One more SCOTUS appointment can doom the 2A. SCOTUS can override Congress' laws, confirm Executive Orders, etc etc. We are one SCOTUS justice short of losing RTKBA.
 
Executive Power....
That is all he has to do...It will stand until the election, then the new President can abolish it....

Wait and see if he is not re-elected...He will push a lot through utilizing executive power...

The guy told us he wanted to fundamentally change the United States, and he is doing it....


If you expect the House or Senate to stand up to him and try to block him...You are smoking crack!


You need to vote and convince all your friends and relatives to vote...

Vote for anyone running against him... Even if he was not your choose...We have to vote this Muslim out of office!
 

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