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[ezkl2230]

More than the fact that this kid was an avowed, anti-gun leftist, the one fact that hasn't been reported by the MSM is that this spree would have gone even farther but for ONE MAJOR CONSIDERATION:

The school had an armed resource officer who cornered the kid in the library, where he turned his own gun on himself.

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Is it any wonder the MSM want this story to disappear as quickly as possible?!

 

[wolf_fire]

More than the fact that this kid was an avowed, anti-gun leftist, the one fact that hasn't been reported by the MSM is that this spree would have gone even farther but for ONE MAJOR CONSIDERATION:

The school had an armed resource officer who cornered the kid in the library, where he turned his own gun on himself.

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Is it any wonder the MSM want this story to disappear as quickly as possible?!

Let me get this straight:
The kid was a socialist. (not news worthy)
The kid was an anti-gunner (not news worthy)
The kid used a shotgun (not newsworthy)
The kid didn't use a scary black rifle thingy (not newsworthy)
The school had an armed officer which severely reduced the number of victims (not newsworthy)

Hmmmmm, it seems as if the story should just disappear, right? *rolls eyes*

*** For those without a clue... the above is a literary device called sarcasm ***​

 

[superprincess]

Blues, thanks for the scenario. I understand what you are saying and I agree. If someone steals your weapon as you have said, it will be your responsibility to report it to the authorities asap.

 

[ezkl2230]

In case anyone wants to say, well your information is from the Matt Walsh blog, so of course it is going to claim there was a guard there even if there wasn't, the following is from CNN:

The rampage might have resulted in many more casualties had it not been for the quick response of a deputy sheriff who was working as a school resource officer at the school, Robinson said.

Once he learned of the threat, he ran -- accompanied by an unarmed school security officer and two administrators -- from the cafeteria to the library, Robinson said. "It's a fairly long hallway, but the deputy sheriff got there very quickly."

The deputy was yelling for people to get down and identified himself as a county deputy sheriff, Robinson said. "We know for a fact that the shooter knew that the deputy was in the immediate area and, while the deputy was containing the shooter, the shooter took his own life."

He praised the deputy's response as "a critical element to the shooter's decision" to kill himself, and lauded his response to hearing gunshots. "He went to the thunder," he said. "He heard the noise of gunshot and, when many would run away from it, he ran toward it to make other people safe."

Colorado's school shooting -- over in 80 seconds - CNN.com

 

[BluesStringer]

Blues, thanks for the scenario. I understand what you are saying and I agree. If someone steals your weapon as you have said, it will be your responsibility to report it to the authorities asap.

It is my responsibility to immediately report a stolen weapon under current law. You missed the point entirely. What I was trying to say is respect, revere and abide by the 2nd Amendment and the wider Constitution. Leave our rights alone. They're not yours or the government's which you seek to empower to further limit.

If government is the answer, you're asking the wrong questions.

Blues

 

[telpinaro]

If government is the answer, you're asking the wrong questions.

Blues

I've been beginning to think that the best thing would be to downsize the federal government... It can maintain the military, facilitate communication between states, and uphold the constitution. States then regulate what they want from healthcare to school. Taxes more directly benefit the people as most goes to the state rather than federal. CA and NY can pass whatever gun laws they want and prove to the rest of the nation what happens with strict gun control. Yeah, I can see plenty of drawbacks (confusion when travelling, etc), but I'm fed up with the current state of affairs and constant stalemates. The government's getting bigger and things are just getting worse.

 

[ezkl2230]

I've been beginning to think that the best thing would be to downsize the federal government... It can maintain the military, facilitate communication between states, and uphold the constitution. States then regulate what they want from healthcare to school. Taxes more directly benefit the people as most goes to the state rather than federal. CA and NY can pass whatever gun laws they want and prove to the rest of the nation what happens with strict gun control. Yeah, I can see plenty of drawbacks (confusion when travelling, etc), but I'm fed up with the current state of affairs and constant stalemates. The government's getting bigger and things are just getting worse.

The best answer has ALWAYS been to downsize the fed. Given the constraints laid out in the Constitution, it was never supposed to be this size in the first place. What we are seeing today is the direct result of federalism, the idea established by Geo. Washington, the Adams Bros (the same ones who wanted Washington to be our KING), and others, that makes the fed central to everything and even has the authority to override enumerated Constitutional rights. Constructionists like Jefferson and Madison, on the other hand (the main authors of the Constitution), saw the government as an extremely limited body that was held in check by the Rights outlined in the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, federalism became the default interpretation of the Constitution that remains in place today.

 

[Peggy Reist]

I've been beginning to think that the best thing would be to downsize the federal government... It can maintain the military, facilitate communication between states, and uphold the constitution. States then regulate what they want from healthcare to school. Taxes more directly benefit the people as most goes to the state rather than federal. CA and NY can pass whatever gun laws they want and prove to the rest of the nation what happens with strict gun control. Yeah, I can see plenty of drawbacks (confusion when travelling, etc), but I'm fed up with the current state of affairs and constant stalemates. The government's getting bigger and things are just getting worse.

Sadly the federal government is already failing at two of those, maintaining the military (purging high level officers, among other things), and upholding the constitution (obvious).

 

[Itstjs]

Several things bother me about the school shootings. Firstly, all the shooters take their own lives, why? They want fame of some sort that our Media is eager to fuel. Secondly, they pointed out there was Security Officers present, whom were unarmed [unarmed Security is no security at all] and they only had 1 Armed Deputy Sheriff. If there were multiple shooters, this story would not have been over with so quickly.

A few other things bother me here. Parents were said to have been out of town, now in the world of the media, that could have been parents were working, ie in another town, or visiting relatives in another town, that day. Anyhow, the shotgun was unsecured, or so we assume at this point. The shooter obviously failed in his attempts for mass murder, or so it seems, as he fired multiple shots down the hallway, and managed to only hit a total of 2 people. Unfortunate for the pretty young gal this man so coldly shot, for what? To secure his name in record books as a crazy individual hell bent on violence for no apparent reason? Because he was disciplined by a debate teacher? This to me screams as a lack of discipline in todays youth.
One thing did not fit the "profile" our Government has put together, this kid seemed to be quite successful in school, he wasnt a loaner, or social outcast, people didnt see it coming from this particular kid. He was described as a nice kid and well liked. However, he snapped and decided to attempt at taking multiple lives. Wearing "Tactical Gear" [which we all know isnt so tactical] carrying a 12 gauge pump shotgun and 3 molitov cocktails. According to the media he was bent on war, which wed seen didnt work out so well. Media in my opinion failed on the heart wrenching part in my book. As quickly as this story broke, it has died. I think the American people are tired of "another school shooting" story and want a REAL solution. And here, it could have been MORE Armed Security, for future school shootings, it could be ARMED teachers AND Armed Security under a certified Police Officer or Deputy.

Simple solutions always seem to complicated with our Federal and State Governments.

 

[ezkl2230]

Sadly the federal government is already failing at two of those, maintaining the military (purging high level officers, among other things), and upholding the constitution (obvious).

Which is why several of the founders were against the idea of creating a standing army in the first place. They want to rely on the citizen militia. By doing so, A) we could never get involved in empire building, B) there would never be a possibility of the military being used against our own citizens, and C) "A militia is everywhere; whereas a standing army may be very distant from any attack which may take place," Albert Gallatin. As for the government upholding the Constitution,

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms," Tench Coxe


"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms....The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants," Thomas Jefferson


"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government," Thomas Jefferson

The Founders never trusted the government to uphold the Constitution on its own. They knew that, left to itself, the government ALWAYS eventually tends toward tyranny.

 

[Itstjs]

Which is why several of the founders were against the idea of creating a standing army in the first place. They want to rely on the citizen militia. By doing so, A) we could never get involved in empire building, B) there would never be a possibility of the military being used against our own citizens, and C) "A militia is everywhere; whereas a standing army may be very distant from any attack which may take place," Albert Gallatin. As for the government upholding the Constitution,



The Founders never trusted the government to uphold the Constitution on its own. They knew that, left to itself, the government ALWAYS eventually tends toward tyranny.

And I wonder how many of our leaders in DC read these quotes today, probably not 1 of them. Sadly, the time to toss them out on their hind quarters is probably todays day and age. Our Government has gotten way too big for the clothes our fore fathers made for them. Tyranny dances all around us, and sadly if one or few try and make the point aware, theyre labeled as terrorists and to the gallows they go. Thanks for the reminder =]

 

[95and05]

This is not a politics thread but my opinion is it is a political problem.

These shooters are not able to handle their disappointment so they go after the people they think caused it.

Because of the government getting involved in not just schooling but par renting ad well, it is darn near illegal to disappoint a child.

Grade school children can't play musical chairs or dodgeball anymore because someone IS LEFT OUT. A child 6 years old is suspended for kissing a friend on the cheek. Everybody wins in sports. Trophies for all.

Discipline is almost gone. Our youth is so spoiled for so long they don't ever learn to deal with life before they get old enough to do something drastic. Then when they get their firs real disappointment the flip out and the government wants to blame guns.

I could go on but I think you guys get the idea.

 

[Itstjs]

This is not a politics thread but my opinion is it is a political problem.

These shooters are not able to handle their disappointment so they go after the people they think caused it.

Because of the government getting involved in not just schooling but par renting ad well, it is darn near illegal to disappoint a child.

Grade school children can't play musical chairs or dodgeball anymore because someone IS LEFT OUT. A child 6 years old is suspended for kissing a friend on the cheek. Everybody wins in sports. Trophies for all.

Discipline is almost gone. Our youth is so spoiled for so long they don't ever learn to deal with life before they get old enough to do something drastic. Then when they get their firs real disappointment the flip out and the government wants to blame guns.

I could go on but I think you guys get the idea.

I agree it is a political problem, you cant discipline a child anymore without being arrested and labled a child beater or whatever. Sad thing is, life catches up with todays youth way too quickly when they suddenly realize things dont always go their way, then they act out, they only way they know how, and sadly, its been school shootings. Government doesnt want to deal with the solution the way it needs to be dealt with, I think theyre afraid to show America how bad things really are so they keep things "Safe" with a LAW considering we are a "nation of laws" but whats the point in having laws if the judicial system doesnt enforce the laws with state or federal minimums.
We see a 17-18 year old run over 4 innocent people and cause one of his best friends to go brain dead, and he gets probation and a 1 year minimum of rehad, FOR MURDER! Even when hes 2xs over the legal limit, we see child rapists end up with probation or a year or two in jail. Theres never justice, I think kids see they can get away with things and take the easy road out.

Were a broken society, many people just dont see how broken.