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What's going on in Colorado, wait I know it's in the water, 'Please don't drink the water'. Crazy, but they still not going to let the teacher carry, teach at your risk.
 
superprincess said:
Hi telpinaro, this is what I have been saying the whole time. Ultimately it is up to the parents to protect their children, not the government. Yes this officer has really great ideas, but still the parents need to step in and help any way they can.
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Parents still have to send their kids to school, and generally schools frown on the parents attending as well! It's not possible to protect our kids 24/7. Parenting is very important, but there are kids who are smart and devious who get around even the best of parents. Especially if they have problems, mental or otherwise, that they hide from the parents. Often those with anti-social disorders are very intelligent and can hide it, so it might go undiagnosed and unrecognized by parents who aren't trained in psychology. Especially today... so many parents are working multiple jobs just to keep food on the table. They can be wonderful people and wonderful parents who just can't be there. It is our job as parents, and I do teach my son safety and responsibility (well, I attempt the latter... he's still young! :wink:), but I'm not going to trust other parents to do the same. Even the best can miss something, and today's rules make some people terrified of disciplining their kid (OMG HOW DARE YOU SPANK YOUR CHILD! --who hasn't seen that online?).

My son is very gregarious, and would be miserable if I home schooled him, as well as not going through proper social development. Therefore, I do expect the school and local law enforcement (it is a public school) to take all precautions for keeping him and everyone at school safe. If they are going to take responsibility for him while I'm away, that better include keeping him safe from any attack.
 
superprincess said:
Hi Riderbike, I am not surprised in the least. But you have to admit, something needs to be done with parents who leave their weapon accessible for their teenager to murder innocent victims. It doesn't necessarily have to be a parent, it just has to be the owner of the weapon, could be the neighbor next door. If you do not agree they should go to jail, then you are entitled to your opinion. Yes, if you own a firearm, it comes with great responsibility. Yes I agree with you something needs to be done quickly.
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The problem with that is that it's only after the mass killings that these people would be arrested. It's a little late then and not likely to deter anyone else.
 
Dunewolf said:
Its not just regular people that "loose" firearms. There are Gun dealers who get ripped off too - stores broken into / safes cracked - guns stolen.. A dealer I have bought my last 4 firearms from has been hit 3 times that I know of. once just 2 years ago - despite safes/locks/etc- 100 some guns was stolen. Prior to that about 6 years ago they got hit and lost 200 some guns or so. They also had a situation involving an employee that was embezzling firearms - he would write them off as "sold" and then walk out the door with em. (since then they have implemented a 2 man sign of policy on all gun sales 1 of which is a store owner)

Granted - this dealer works with local cops / etc in their area - and has a very good reputation, and all of the guns/etc was recovered and the idiots who did those deeds are in prison/etc..

You also have to factor in the friends/family of people who have guns stolen. Sometimes there is a shady family member, who steals em, or a guy/girl you might consider a friend.. **** happens - its the real world.

Having a safe doesn't mean your safe, having a lockbox doesn't mean your secure. A screwed down lockbox in your car can be ripped off with a crowbar in a few seconds.. due to the thin wall construction of most of the low-end boxes. Also - the locks on them can be picked or drilled out - sure they claim they have super protection ability's - but any lock can be defeated with time / effort.

the longer someone has physical access, the longer they have to break it open and pilfer the goodies of any safe or lockbox. which is why there has been a rash of ATM thefts(taking the whole dang box) over last couple years. Physical access over time = payoff.

Lets say a friend of yours, you normally trust with your life, knows about your safe, this person wouldn't hurt you - but he does go to a bar - talks about it to some friends of his, gets overheard by some bad guy - bad guy uses the opportunity to find out where you live.. you go away for a vacation, maybe a weekend, maybe a week?...
During that time, the crooks break in - steal everything you own and crack the safe too.. Poof guns are gone!..

No matter how good you are, how diligent you are - you can never be 100% secure from criminals. Even government buildings with millions in taxpayer dollars and armed guards still have problems with security..
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True. To keep a safe from getting ripped you should get a good brand and secure-it into the floor. Liberty Lincoln. About 1,000 lbs. empty. 14 bolts 1.25" solid. I think an alarm helps if one can afford it. There's some pretty good deals out there from the bigger companies.
 
K7lvo said:
Well, at least it's being confined to Denver. Toughest gun laws - the most crime. You'd think a liberal somewhere would connect the dots...
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Well when it comes to liberals, it's not about public safety, crime, or the bodies of dead children. It's about control. They lie. They lie about everything.
 
I sincerely hope that someone begins to see the light and allows properly trained teachers to begin to be armed and ready when the next nutjob comes to school armed wanting to kill everyone in sight. Instead they'll get up on their soapboxs and call for some more dumbass gun control laws. I know this is a waste of my typing skills,but I can at least hope.
 
golocx4 said:
The past several days the left wing has been using opportunity after opportunity to bring up Sandy Hook. Still dancing on the bloody floors over those tiny bodies.
It wouldn't surprise me if they are high fiving each other and it also wouldn't surprise me if the shooter was inspired by the left wing media.
Watching CNN and watching the lines of kids with hands behind their heads being frisked.
It that the pose of a free people?
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Ya know how vultures wait around until the lions have had their fill and then go in to pick the bones? That is what Sandy was all about when it came to the politicians and their rampage, particularly in congress, as they picked the meat off the bones of these children. They had so little sympathy for the parents that they even invited them to go over it again during hearings, and the parents, quite frankly, were too stupid to realize they were being "played". On top of everything else, they go hog wild on gun control etal and most of these tragedies were carried out with firearms that were legal under the law--heck the biggest loss of life at Virginia Tech was done almost if not exclusively with 10 round mags and not the mags these idiots wail about--what they really want these liberal progressive pieces of yada yada is to disarm and dismember 2A ala Hitler, ala Stalin, ala Mao--and I am the crazy one---the hell with all of them--you come to my house you will go to hell before I go to heaven--I am not a sheep.
 
BC1 said:
True. To keep a safe from getting ripped you should get a good brand and secure-it into the floor. Liberty Lincoln. About 1,000 lbs. empty. 14 bolts 1.25" solid. I think an alarm helps if one can afford it. There's some pretty good deals out there from the bigger companies.
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This for sure - I have a house alarm (non-monitored, but it calls me if it is activated), the whole house is monitored by security cameras that I can view from anywhere and I have something just like the safe you mention. All glass is impact resistant - when a guy tried to break in a window a couple of years ago by swinging a shovel, he could not break it. The perimeter is as hardened as it can be. If the alarm calls me, I can immediately look at all areas of the house - can see the safe - and on a normal work day I am within 2 miles and can be here in about 5 minutes tops. When I am away, I can contact neighbor and local PD.

No - not 100% secure, nothing ever is - someone can still kick in the door or try to break a window. They could drive a car through the front wall. But years ago someone told me that they did not lock their car or roll their windows up because if someone wanted to break in they would - that since they could not be 100% secure, they chose no security at all. I never could subscribe to that kind of fatalism.
 
Even Fox News ,with the insipid Shepherd Smith, began running 1999 Columbine clips and an endless reel of students coming out with their hands up, when the "news" broke at 2:40 PM EST, yesterday.

For decades, hardly a week would go by where at least one or two students would be killed in a American school. Except for the locals,nobody knew anything about it.

Now,no matter how minor the event,we've got the helicopters up, the satellite images, the Sheriffs bi-hourly briefings and endless talking heads droning on about those evil weapons and moaning about nothing being done.

Is it any wonder that there is always going to another lunatic plotting and planning and waiting and scheming for that 15 minutes...or longer.
 
Hi Peggy, With the present system in place, of course it isn't going to deter anyone. The magic word is "prosecute" and do it quickly, not only the shooter, but the irresponsible firearm owner, as well. Prosecute, prosecute, prosecute, I shall make it my new mantra. Until the law starts prosecuting the firearm owner and responsible party for these shootings which are becoming common occurrences. We can expect more of the same medicine we have been getting. Also, the media must do an "in your face report" until everyone gets the message, America isn't going to take home-grown terrorism any longer. Until this happens, I wholeheartedly agree with you, it will not deter anyone. My opinion may not count for much, but I believe schools should be a place of learning, where students are safe and not a war zone!


Peggy Reist said:
The problem with that is that it's only after the mass killings that these people would be arrested. It's a little late then and not likely to deter anyone else.
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Shooter was a left wing gun-control freak who hates Republicans

"Karl Halverson Pierson was a far-left progressive who mocked Republicans on his Facebook page and was against gun rights for legal owners. Isn’t that amazing, that a left-wing nut job, against gun rights for legal owners is responsible for the Arapahoe High School shooting today."

Karl Halverson Pierson - leftist strongly for gun control
 
superprincess said:
Hi BC1 Eventually I hope we have some new laws in place. Your firearm is your responsibility, (I believe we all agree so far) and it is a huge responsibility to maintain it and keep it in a safe and secure location. So if you are the careless one, who left the firearm out for the child, to shoot up students and faculty at school. Then your ... should be the one going to prison along with the delinquent child!!! So if you have a missing weapon, then my advice is to call the police right away, if you do not wish to be held responsible.
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On the other hand, when I was 16, I often went hunting before and/or after school and as such had a shotgun (or rifle) at school (usually in someone else's trunk since my vehicle didn't have a trunk or door locks). I was one of many who did the same. We just didn't have much in the way of school shootings. School shootings have multiplied since the Fed's made schools no gun (victim rich) zones.
 
Has anyone ever wondered why progressive solutions to problems never are successful? Virtually all the solutions the progressives come up with are based on emotion and not sound reasoning. They are either solutions to problems caused by those who are trying to solve them or they are solutions to problems that don't as yet exist. This applies to everything from Obama Care to global warming, to energy production. School shootings were not a problem until the libs came up with solution of gun free school zones. Can anyone think of a better way to place innocents in danger than by removing any danger to the perpetrators of these atrocities.

And let's face it our big government progressives don't give a ***** about children. They have no problem with millions of abortions each year. Gun control is about control and not about safety. The goal is about complete dependence on government and control of every aspect of citizen's lives. Just as with the gun free zones, the right of self defense and individual liberty are removed. Everyone is at the mercy of the insane criminals and dependent on typically incompetent government. It just gives one an overwhelming sense of security and safety, knowing that our government is at work.
 
Hi maybejim! As for role models for the American youth, I can say the media is mostly the blame and has changed things in the last few decades, and not for the better. It seems like the government agency which regulates the media should step in and do more concerning violent video games. Not only violent games, but movies as well. Even today at lunchtime, I saw more violence than should have been allowed on daytime tv, sure the media keeps throwing gasoline on the fire, giving the teenagers some really great role models. I almost couldn't believe they were airing this particular show in this time frame. Actually if I was in charge of the network the show would be cancelled last week. Pretty sure someone's pockets are being stuffed with cash, as we speak. This alone is just one aspect of what is wrong in America and the people who should be handling this one part, seems to be turning and looking in the opposite direction.
 
the dark said:
This for sure - I have a house alarm (non-monitored, but it calls me if it is activated), the whole house is monitored by security cameras that I can view from anywhere and I have something just like the safe you mention. All glass is impact resistant - when a guy tried to break in a window a couple of years ago by swinging a shovel, he could not break it. The perimeter is as hardened as it can be. If the alarm calls me, I can immediately look at all areas of the house - can see the safe - and on a normal work day I am within 2 miles and can be here in about 5 minutes tops. When I am away, I can contact neighbor and local PD.

No - not 100% secure, nothing ever is - someone can still kick in the door or try to break a window. They could drive a car through the front wall. But years ago someone told me that they did not lock their car or roll their windows up because if someone wanted to break in they would - that since they could not be 100% secure, they chose no security at all. I never could subscribe to that kind of fatalism.
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You can make a few changes to harden the doors. While they won't keep a BG entirely out they will increase the time he needs to kick-in. Use 5" screws on the hinges and strike plates. Secure them into the studs. Use strike plates with 4-6 screws. You can also get a security bar for under the door knobs at Lowe's for about $25.
 
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