I know some of you are going to bash me
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I agree how do I unsubscribe from this thread or better yet could a mod delete this thread. I don't think we are ever going to come to a consensus? Plus every time I see a ignorant post by bikebutt or firecrouch I can not resist correcting their misinformed posts. They need to find a property rights forum and spend their time there. Last I looked this site was supporting 2nd adm.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
More lies and lack of time continuum from the pig. I'm telling you, borderline intellectual disorder. I know it's hard for you to understand the most simple concepts, I feel sorry for you.
They are getting removed from the premises for trespassing. The citation is for refusing to leave.
Seeing as how your life means very little, putting it on the line amounts to nil. Unsurprisingly, you can't figure out how to unsubscribe to a thread... genius.
It's not wearing a seatbelt a criminal act? No. Is it unlawful? Yes. There is a distinction between unlawful and criminal, they are not one in the same.
I agree laws don't tell us what's allowed. So the law doesn't say your allowed to carry concealed in restricted areas. In fact, it says, "shall not be a criminal act, but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises."
You carry concealed, they have a sign, you have just been denied to the premise, and if you all ready trespassed (knowingly entered unlawfully, unlawfully doesn't mean criminally) you will be removed. It states exactly what your not allowed to do, which is "denial to the premises."
What's confusing me about your point of view is the following quote:
First your saying the law allows you to carry in restricted places. Then you state laws aren't written to allow people to do an act.
whodat2710
New member
Which America are you from and what Constitution do you believe in? If you didn't want guns on your property, whether it is your house or a place of business you own, it is your right to refuse us gun-toters access to your property. In another thread you were all up in arms about if cops were trespassing on your property and how you would deal with it. You can't afford someone with different beliefs the same right? One word - Hypocrite.
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I hate Liberal viewpoints for the most part, but In the Merica I live in, I support their right to be stupid and ill-informed. You don't like guns in your store? Fine, I will exercise my right to shop elsewhere. To INFRINGE on their rights makes no sense with regards to what I am fighting for. In fact, it makes their point for them. "see, these gun people don't care about my rights, just theirs"
I wonder why the officer would ask the person to leave, if there is no law being broken? Can an officer even do that?
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Bikenut
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If there is "no force of law" behind the Missouri law (or the trespass laws in other States) then why is there the penalty of "being cited" or being charged with trespass (in some other States)?
If there wasn't any "force of law" then there would not be any penalty defined in the law for violating that law.
And the behavior of violating that law begins the moment the person who is carrying concealed enters a posted property... it is only after they have been caught in the act of violating that law that the property owner has the option of asking the person to leave and not be cited (or arrested) or.. if the person doesn't leave then the property owner is forced to use the law (a separate law like Missouri's or the applicable trespass laws of other States) to either cite or arrest the person who was breaking the law when they walked in and is continuing to break the law as long as they are on/in the property.
And it is the issuance of a citation or being arrested and charged with trespass that is the "force of law" penalty for violating that law. The penalty is the force behind the law.
Also.. please note that in the case of the Missouri law too many citations results in the penalty of the loss of the carry permit so there definitely IS "force of law" behind Missouri's law.
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If a third citation for a similar violation is issued within one year of the first citation, such person shall be fined an amount not to exceed five hundred dollars and shall have his or her concealed carry endorsement revoked and such person shall not be eligible for a concealed carry endorsement for a period of three years.-snip-
And Michigan law resembles Missouri's law with:
Michigan Legislature - Section 28.428
FIREARMS (EXCERPT)
Act 372 of 1927
28.428 Revocation of licenses; grounds; hearing; suspension; order; notice.
Sec. 8.
(1) The concealed weapon licensing board that issued a license to an individual to carry a concealed pistol may revoke that license if the board determines that the individual committed any violation of this act other than a violation of section 5f(4). If the board determines that the individual has been found responsible for 3 or more state civil infraction violations of this act during the license period, the board shall conduct a hearing and may suspend the individual's license for not more than 1 year.
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If you have cites and/or links to facts that support your statement
I would be very interested in reading those factual sources.
Please be aware that offering insults does not present you, or your argument, in a positive light.. resorting to insults actually says more about you than your insults say about me.
gejoslin
Illegitimi non carborundu
Not having Tapatalk not sure. If you can get to your settings, go to subscriptions and unsubscribe from there.
If your directed by email at the bottom of email should be a link to unsubscribe there.
Hope this helps
gej
Treo
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But did you know that they were still going to be bashing you 4 months later?
AndeyHall
Active member
Tapatalk notifies you when someone responds to a thread you've commented on. So because I commented on this thread towards its beginning I'm now at the mercy of all these dumbasses who feel like that have to have the last word.
Treo
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AndeyHall
Active member
Well I wouldn't except all my communication on this forum is done via iPhone. I was using the regular USA carry app but it's not as user friendly, plus you have to try and open it about 20 times because it keeps crashing. So I thought I had an app that was finally worth while. And as much as the app can help I do...it's the users of this forum that seem to be the issue now.
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Bikenut
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Interesting... are you blaming other people for causing you an inconvenience because they are posting? Seems to me it isn't those who are posting that is the problem.. the problem is being sent notices that you don't want. And since you are the one using the app that is sending you the notices... wouldn't it be your app that is the problem and not folks who post?
But I'm wondering.... are you expecting folks that you consider to be "dumbasses" to stop posting so you aren't inconvenienced by notices on your app?
AndeyHall
Active member
When those "dumbasses" have entered into a pissing contest by posting worthless bickering arguments to try and split hairs over the true philosophical meaning of "trespassing" and all the "what-ifs" of how the law could be interpreted...yes, that is exactly what I am expecting, I was just trying to go about saying it in as smart-ass of a way as possible.
But I would settle for someone actually telling me how to no longer get notified of this worthless thread on this app.
Treo
Bullet Proof
If you want civil discussion of second ammendment and other civl liberties issues maybe you should check out gunrightsmedia.org follow the link in my sig
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Bikenut
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I see... so you think everyone should either only post things you consider worthwhile... or just shut up because you consider them to be "dumbasses"... so you aren't inconvenienced by the app you are using just because you don't know how to use that app?
Perhaps I am mistaken but it would seem to me that the fault lies either with the app not having the capability to allow you to unsubscribe from threads you are no longer interested in or the fault lies with your not knowing how to use the app. Neither of which have anything to do with what other folks post.
AndeyHall
Active member
I see...so you don't find it particular interesting that you have completely abandoned your precious argument and have now decided to indulge in this one?
Perhaps I am mistaken but it would seem as though you care more about the argument itself as opposed to the content of the argument and are more or less proving my point. But unlike so many others I have no problem with letting you have the last word. So if you would please hurry up and post your reply to this post so we can be done with this, yet again, arbitrary and meaningless detour, as someone might have some useful and relevant information to share on the topic.
AndeyHall
Active member
Tried a few things...we'll see if it worked.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
Testing...Did it work?
