God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality

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How long have people believed in a god?
Why is that something to emulate?
Haven't we figured a few things out about life and the universe since then?
Considering the great perplexity of nations presently on the verge of destruction and having no way out, man, vain in his imaginations have failed miserably in his attempt to govern himself. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. So yea, we've finally figured out the truth, "Mans Wisdom Is Foolishness To God".


I Can Predict The Future...GOD WINS!! :dance3:​
 

This article much like everything else atheists try to convey has absolutely ZERO basis in fact or legitimate scientific data. The entire article is based on unreasonable & irrational emotions; ignorant narrow minded bigotry and closed-minded opinion.

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From Ringo: The key problem with atheism is that it lacks a strong “selling point, they have no religion of their own, so the sole purpose of their existence revolves around attacking the validity of the Holy Bible.
What a joke. I mean really, isn't it a bit disingenuous to imply any analogy to religion at all? Do you even know what atheism is?

The "selling point" comment is telling. Religion is the only movement selling anything. What a brilliant business plan! It sells itself!

Obviously there's still a few suckers out there buying it.

The key problem with atheism IS religion itself. We want it out of politics, schools, law, government and out of our face. Religion's free ride with the constant "in your face" drone of the centuries old salvation, temptations to heaven and coersive threats to hell fairy tales has expired. The more you push it, the more a soon-to-be growing majority of reasobale people will push back.

Good luck with that.
 
WRT Tcox comment:

Religion is much like everything else believers try to convey, having absolutely ZERO basis in fact or legitimate scientific data. The entire movement is based on unreasonable & irrational emotions; ignorant narrow minded bigotry and closed-minded opinion.

See how that works?
 
Here is a reasonable line of thought... or a little story for you to ponder.

Let's just suppose that you live your life, claiming that there is no God or Creator... And then you die.
And let's just suppose that I live my life naming Jesus as my Lord... and then I die.
Now. If God truly does not exist-- as you believe-- neither you nor I have lost anything. You lived your life your way, and I lived mine my way, and we're both dead.

However, If God truly does exist-- as I believe-- You will have lost everything, and will spend eternity in hell, and I will have gained everything and will spend eternity with Jesus.

Moral to this story is this: If you don't believe in God, you'd better be right.

As an aside to the above: If anyone should get the desire to know Jesus personally. Clear your mind of pre-conceived ideas, and get into the Bible with an open mind, and allow the Holy Spirit to teach you what He wants you to know.
 
Here is a reasonable line of thought... or a little story for you to ponder.

Let's just suppose that you live your life, claiming that there is no God or Creator... And then you die.
And let's just suppose that I live my life naming Jesus as my Lord... and then I die.
Now. If God truly does not exist-- as you believe-- neither you nor I have lost anything. You lived your life your way, and I lived mine my way, and we're both dead.

However, If God truly does exist-- as I believe-- You will have lost everything, and will spend eternity in hell, and I will have gained everything and will spend eternity with Jesus.

Moral to this story is this: If you don't believe in God, you'd better be right.

As an aside to the above: If anyone should get the desire to know Jesus personally. Clear your mind of pre-conceived ideas, and get into the Bible with an open mind, and allow the Holy Spirit to teach you what He wants you to know.

It doesn't say much for religion if the strongest argument for it and its fundamental basis (belief in the existence of some kind of supreme being, only one of which is christianity's god) is "what might theoretically, possibly be in it for me if I'm right (contrary to reason and evidence)!"
 

For a person to be on a patriotic website, and not recognize (nor reasonably try to understand) the fundamental Judeo/Christian values which have guided those people that have raised this country from nothing into the greatest Nation in the world, is the epitome of blindness.

The article mentioned in the quote above is definitely not based on fact. It is basically just left-wing propaganda. No other way to describe it.

The author of this article is a person who is Spiritually Blind, and is helping to further the moral decay of the Republic, which Christians know is by satanic design. I don't expect you to understand it... because Spiritual things cannot be understood by a non-Believer... it's just a Biblical fact.
 
It doesn't say much for religion if the strongest argument for it and its fundamental basis (belief in the existence of some kind of supreme being, only one of which is christianity's god) is "what might theoretically, possibly be in it for me if I'm right (contrary to reason and evidence)!"

You misread my "line of thought for you to ponder". It was just a reasonable "line of thought". You didn't "ponder" it, evidently. It seems to me that you twisted it.
My life is based on the fact that Christianity's God is the only Supreme Being, and not "one of" as you suppose. Also, my belief is not based on, "What's in it for me, if I'm right.", but is based on the fact that I know what is mine because of my faith.
 
The reason for the resistance is because it is true.

On a global level there exists the Luciferian plan to create an-all prevailing Big Brother State that will attempt to enslave Man under the pyramid-control system, a new world order ruled by the Antichrist. The present state of the world could be described as chaos or manufactured crisis. It is built on the illusionary Hegelian synthesis and it derives its energy from men choosing to love the illusion more than the truth. It is the operating procedure of the Illuminati, which calls for a new world order out of chaos. There is a source of information far beyond what we call the rational and logical mind. Our bodies, minds and spirits can receive communication and information from what has been termed the Fourth Dimension. The cosmic frequency of the Fourth Dimension is continually sending forth all kinds of information and if you are aware it is communicating to you about the near future.

The future is unfolding before our eyes and the future in part is created by the millions of choices people make which compose a larger reality. In the last century or so Mankind has been indoctrinated with the lie that there are no consequences for our individual actions. Everything is just composed of material energy and random chance. Those indoctrinated with the lie provide the foundation for the totalitarian mindset. This great delusion which has spread all over the earth in recent centuries has been "justified" by the mythology of Darwinian Evolution. Darwinian Evolution states that Man is here by impersonal and random chance and that over billions of years molecules evolved into human beings. In Darwin's view there is no God and there is no right or wrong. Thus there is no accountability for Man and his actions, and Darwinists believe that the fittest survive and that might makes right. Zbignew Brezinski openly calls for a "Society dominated by an elite whose claim to political power would rest on allegedly superior scientific know-how. Unhindered by the restraints of traditional liberal values, this elite would not hesitate to achieve its political ends by using the latest modern techniques for influencing public behavior and keeping society under close surveillance and control." The elites are coming out in public and calling for a new world order.

Make no mistake about the society Brzezinski is talking about. He is talking about a scientific dictatorship and the use of pyschotronic weapons. H.G. Wells and the Fabian socialists called for a one world government ruled by a scientific dictatorship. Throughout the centuries the secrets of this occult dictatorship have been passed through secret societies like Rosicrucian's and the Illuminati. It is not an accident that the occult pyramid on the back of the U.S. dollar reveals the scientific dictatorship which is ruling the world today. At the top of the pyramid, above the eye of Lucifer is the tiny pyramid which represents the secretive elite which rule the world. That symbol was placed there by the Illuminati and the words at the bottom of the pyramid read, "Novus Ordo Seclorum," or new world order. This new world order would be ruled by what H.G. Well's referred to as the "world brain." It was the Luciferian Illuminati which provided the money and power that created the international banking system and the "Plan," for a world socialist government. Their foundational strategy in enslaving the human race was to convince people that they are here by random chance.

This view has been embedded into the consciousness of hundreds of millions of people through social engineering, education, and the media. It enables any human being to play a game with himself or herself and it gives a person or a nation the imagined right to commit any atrocity with no consequences and nothing to feel guilty about. There is a lot of good discussion among physicists about the nature of the universe, for example, the Fourth Dimension. What makes this interesting is that this interfaces with the science of scalar electromagnetic energy. For the last several hundred years mankind has emphasized our three dimensional world. This worked well with Darwinian evolution, communism, and the scientific materialism that has controlled our universities and seminaries. But it is a completely false system of analysis. Researchers now studying the Fourth Dimension are referencing it to the invisible realm or spiritual world, outside of time and space, which would contain the spiritual dimension where God exists.

But also there must be another dimension where Lucifer and all those who have chosen to follow him are contained for all eternity. Modern man and much of the modern church which has rejected the reality of the Word of God resist the Biblical truth, that those who reject God will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment and will be sentenced forever into the lake of fire, or the Abyss. The reason for the resistance is because it is true. The existence of an eternal dimensional prison for those who have rebelled from God does not require Man's intellectual approval. It simply exists apart from what Man thinks one way or another.

In the end there will be the triumph of truth over illusion.

By Paul McGuire

I Can Predict The Future...GOD WINS!! :dance3:​
 
Well, Mr Nosreme, I for one, do understand what you are saying, but disagree. And tonight I will pray that you will soon "see" the Truth with your Spiritual eyes.
 
Well, Mr Nosreme, I for one, do understand what you are saying, but disagree. And tonight I will pray that you will soon "see" the Truth with your Spiritual eyes.

One of my best friends is an evangelical christian (and how!) who says the same thing (in different words of course). My invariable reply is, "never gonna happen."
 
Religion is much like everything else believers try to convey, having absolutely ZERO basis in fact or legitimate scientific data. The entire movement is based on unreasonable & irrational emotions; ignorant narrow minded bigotry and closed-minded opinion.
See how that works?
See how this works? I'll try again. :rolleyes:

Atheists thrive by being a parasite on Christianity, and mostly target the shortcomings of individuals. They have no religion of their own, so the sole purpose of their existence revolves around attacking the validity of the Holy Bible. Atheists are so opposed to anything linked to God that their hatred gets in the way of common sense. They believe that nothing, plus nothing, plus time, equals something. Atheists are only able to issue negative commentary, therefor when a wise person debates with a fool (atheist), the fool (atheist) rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quite. We Can Lead An Atheist To Evidence, But We Can't Make Them Think. Atheists reject the reality of the Word of God and resist Biblical truth.."and as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment", that those who reject God will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment and will be sentenced forever into the lake of fire, or the Abyss.The reason for their resistance and rage is because God's word is truth, and nothing frightens an atheist more than God's truth, to signal their doom. Atheists operate much like chickens. As long as they have plenty of food, they will get along with each other. You deprive them of this requirement, and they will peck each other to death and turn into cannibals. What they don't realize is that once we Christians are gone, they will intellectually starve.


I Can Predict The Future...GOD WINS!! :dance3:​
 
See how this works? I'll try again. :rolleyes:

As long as people have believed in God, there have been those who take the opposing view. The ranks of atheists have always been small, never amounting to more than four percent of the population. Atheists thrive by being a parasite on Christianity. The key problem with atheism is that it lacks a strong “selling point, they have no religion of their own, so the sole purpose of their existence revolves around attacking the validity of the Holy Bible. They mostly target the shortcomings of individuals. Unlike with a professional movie critic, from whom you can expect a few positive remarks for even the worst movies ever made, atheists are only able to issue negative commentary. "When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quite" (Proverbs 29:9). Atheists operate much like chickens. As long as they have plenty of food, they will get along with each other. You deprive them of this requirement, and they will peck each other to death and turn into cannibals. Atheists are so opposed to anything linked to God that their hatred gets in the way of common sense, they believe that nothing, plus nothing, plus time, equals something. We Can Lead An Atheist To Evidence, But We Can't Make Them Think. A common refrain I get from godless people is that they can't wait until we Christians are gone. What they don't realize is that once we are gone, they will intellectually starve.
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I think this is #4 from "Canned Ways for Fundamentalists to Reply to Nonbelievers," a book that appears to be in the hands of every fundamentalist, pentacostalist, theist, and evangelical in the country. That it's wrong in every single respect is beside the point and it's not worthy of even minimal point-by-point rebuttal. Such transparently simplistic boilerplate isn't targeted at nonbelievers, neutral observers, or anybody with the ability to think independently. Instead, it seems to be a re-validation of credentials among the shrinking crowd of fellow Aggressive Believers. An old saying of uncertain origin I remember from Herman Wouk's brilliant book, The Caine Mutiny, aptly describes what you see behind these comically wishful descriptions of atheists as their numbers and influence grow (at the expense of the former unchallenged monopoly over public religious pronouncements fundamentalists formerly enjoyed): "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."
 
For a person to be on a patriotic website, and not recognize (nor reasonably try to understand) the fundamental Judeo/Christian values which have guided those people that have raised this country from nothing into the greatest Nation in the world, is the epitome of blindness...

I spent 36 years on active duty in service to the country--is that patriotic enough? And I (and all nonbelievers) fully recognize and value the historic importance of "fundamental Judeo/Christian values." Those values don't immunize public and aggressive attempts to infuse religion into every dialogue and issue from challenge, particularly when those attempts undermine things like public policymaking and education and/or violate the Constitution's Establishment Clause.
 
I spent 36 years on active duty in service to the country--is that patriotic enough? And I (and all nonbelievers) fully recognize and value the historic importance of "fundamental Judeo/Christian values." Those values don't immunize public and aggressive attempts to infuse religion into every dialogue and issue from challenge, particularly when those attempts undermine things like public policymaking and education and/or violate the Constitution's Establishment Clause.

Mao Tse Tung, Stalin and Hitler also believed themselves to be 'Patriots'.
Patriotism without faith in God is blind & misguided at best.
 
I spent 36 years on active duty in service to the country--is that patriotic enough? And I (and all nonbelievers) fully recognize and value the historic importance of "fundamental Judeo/Christian values." Those values don't immunize public and aggressive attempts to infuse religion into every dialogue and issue from challenge, particularly when those attempts undermine things like public policymaking and education and/or violate the Constitution's Establishment Clause.

First off, I didn't say you weren't patriotic... Read and exegete. I said you are 'blind'... my statement alluded to your "Spiritual Blindness".
You "fully recognize and value the historic importance of 'fundamental Judeo/Christian values'"? I think not. Your next statement quashes that thought. But then, your Spiritual Blindness probably keeps you from recognizing that, also.
I promise you, though sometimes I may appear caustic in my replies, that I'm not trying to ruffle your feathers here. I'm just stating things that become obvious to me... during our little missive exchange. I also promise you that I will continue to be praying for you, along with your friend the Evangelist.
 
Actually it is not "thou shall not Kill" but Thou shall not murder" the translation was changed, and there is a difference, as even Jesus was in favor of self defense, and the Jews did quiet a few preemptive strikes against their neighbors....
But you do have multiple good points about wanting to kick those off welfare with out knowing their circumstances however "I am not my brothers keeper" either, and they have a responsibility as well to go forth and not be a leach on society, for in biblical times you had those that worked, those who could not work due to age, illness, or infirmity, no one simply sat around and said feed me, house me, I will not work because it is beneath my dignity...
 
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