God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality

[duke7595]

you don't have to know your neighbors to love them unconditionally
just treat them and others as you yourself would like to be treated
now imagine if we all did that?.........what wonderful world this could be
i think each and everyone of us is a god or has at least the potential for becoming just as jesus christ was said to have been
namaste=the divinity in me recognizes the divinity in you .......divinity is the same power within us all however it's up to us to recognize claim and use it ........unfortunately many are separated from their divine nature via false religious dogma and indoctrination and bs belief systems .......imo

''Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religion separates us from our divinity''

You say each of us is a god ? If you did , you are flirting with something you should not. There is but one GOD and it sure is not anyone here on earth
My GOD is in heaven and is control, and any pretense to equate yourself as god is plain wrong., and I want nothing to do with it....

 

[tcox4freedom]

I'm pretty familiar with the much-hyped (by creationists out to simultaneously prove young-earth creationism and debunk evolution) Zapata track. In fact, there's no evidence what it was--much less than it was a human footprint--or how old it is. It doesn't contradict the theory of evolution (and I use "theory" here in the accepted scientific sense, not in the simpleminded sense of "conjecture" the hyper-religious like to pretend it means). Article in The Smithsonian? So what? As to the evolutionists' conspiracy of silence, scientists don't waste their time trying to prove or disprove things for which there's no reliable evidence such as why an alleged human footprint would be found in a geological stratum from a time when humans didn't exist. Creationists love to make hay out of this, but even if you give it the benefit of the doubt by calling it an anomaly, that's hardly enough to call into question the overwhelming evidence for evolution. It's a scientifically and logically piece of non-evidence of anything--exactly the sort of thing creationists absolutely revel in exploiting when they think they can put one over on impressionable (aka "simple") minds. Creationists ignore real evidence and in this case, try to bolster their agenda by using scientists' responsible methods (not finding this thing as capable of supporting any reasonable inferences) as proof that creationists are right. That's no just bizarre, but ludicrous. It's also typical. Thinkers dismiss creationists' drivel but do take the time to bemoan the damage they do to the American education system and to the financial coffers of states they con into funding garbage like creationist museums and "educational" dinosaur parks with children riding the dinosaurs. I don't know whether to laugh or puke.

I hear ya talking. But, you still haven't brought any REAL evidence to back up anything.

I'm not one that believes in a real young Earth either. But, I believe in it's CREATOR and the evidence that points to it being much younger than the "evolutionists" claim. Science has already proven the Earth was created. But, there is absolutely ZERO evidence of macro-evolution. Science is the search for "causes". But, for science to be good all preconceived notions need to be looked at objectively and left out if they can't be proved beyond a reasonable doubt by the "Empirical" and "Forensic" data.

I have given links and made reference to both in my argument. But, I have only heard opinion & flights of fancy for any rebuttal. For someone to be taken seriously as a "True" open-minded thinker, they need to bring something of substance to the conversation. (Some believers here have and some unbelievers here haven't)

I've given TRUE scientific resource links in this thread. I also suggest reading the books; "I Don't have Enough Faith to be an Atheist" and "Link Removed".

"IF" you really are interested in learning about the REAL scientific TRUTH's that have been discovered, those books would be a good place to start. But, I'm not sure you are "open-minded" enough to accept what you will discover once you take an "objective" look.

Both of these books use REAL science to refute the FALSE science Darwinist & Atheists try to pass off as legitimate truths. So, why don't you take up the challenge; read those two books and comment on the REAL evidence that proves the BIBLE true?


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[duke7595]

Blues
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Posted by: nosreme
On: 02-10-2013 05:08 AM


---Quote (Originally by duke7595)---
..There is but one GOD...My GOD is in heaven...
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"What a bizarre post. There are as many gods as there are religions, and all of them are fictional creations of superstitious minds (the masses) and power-hungry control freaks (the priests, torturers, executioners, doctrine-enforcers, etc) who use superstition to control people. These superstitions are invariably codified in any number of ancient texts full of contrived histories and parables; their purpose is to regulate how people behave and what they should and should not think--and to justify punishment for "transgressions." It's inexplicable how such medieval beliefs persist in modern times, and infuriating how so many of their adherents manage to unrelentingly insinuate religion into every conceivable discussion topic and every aspect of society (schools, government policy, scientific and medical research, internet gun forums...) and in doing so, acting as if they and they alone have a monopoly on The Truth because of what they cherry-pick from their particular book of religious doctrine. Fortunately, thanks to the internet, the number of people who decline to accept the formerly unchallengeable nature of public religious lectures is growing, as is their willingness to take responsibility for countering them head on instead of letting that nonsense go unchallenged.
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YOUR WORDS ARE PURE UNADULTERATED TROT, I DO NOT CARE TO WASTE MY TIME TO GIVE ANSWER, HOWEVER, I DID SINCE YOU USED MY POST
People like yourself have been around from the beginning, your the venerable fly in the ointment. Your type stir's the crowd from behind and than walks away.

This will be the last time I respond to you and your like. You disgust me beyond comprehension with your filth and lying split tongue, all your words are hollow without substance.

You are of the your father the son of perdition, evil in your ways and attempt to lead GODS children astray with lies.

You will one day find the truth when you face your maker, I am not judging you, that is GODS job. However, I can
discern, and you sir have been found lacking in all your ways and to be avoided and ignored.

 

[nosreme]

I hear ya talking. But, you still haven't brought any REAL evidence to back up anything..."IF" you really are interested in learning about the REAL scientific TRUTH's that have been discovered, those books would be a good place to start. But, I'm not sure you are "open-minded" enough to accept what you will discover once you take an "objective" look.

Both of these books use REAL science to refute the FALSE science Darwinist & Atheists try to pass off as legitimate truths. So, why don't you take up the challenge; read those two books and comment on the REAL evidence that proves the BIBLE true?-

1. The burden of proof with evidence is on the proponent of the argument that it's a human footprint and that it proves something. The burden of providing evidence to the contrary is not on a disbeliever to whom that absurd notion was propounded. (Note here the typical disingenuous creationist sham of trying to shift the burden of proof to somebody else's burden of disproof by throwing out a few assertions).
2. You can correctly assume that I have already read (and discussed) more about the pro-biblical side of this than some people read of anything in an entire lifetime. All it shows is that my signature line is there for a reason.

 

[BluesStringer]

Blues
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On: 02-10-2013 05:08 AM

OK, no problem at all. Your post came directly after a couple of posts by Ringo, which is why I asked. To avoid confusion in the future, may I suggest using the "Reply With Quote" link in the bottom-right of every post.

God Bless,

Blues

 

[nosreme]

...YOUR WORDS ARE PURE UNADULTERATED TROT, I DO NOT CARE TO WASTE MY TIME TO GIVE ANSWER, HOWEVER, I DID SINCE YOU USED MY POST
People like yourself have been around from the beginning, your the venerable fly in the ointment. Your type stir's the crowd from behind and than walks away.

This will be the last time I respond to you and your like. You disgust me beyond comprehension with your filth and lying split tongue, all your words are hollow without substance.

You are of the your father the son of perdition, evil in your ways and attempt to lead GODS children astray with lies.

You will one day find the truth when you face your maker, I am not judging you, that is GODS job. However, I can
discern, and you sir have been found lacking in all your ways and to be avoided and ignored.

Awww, shucks. This makes me kinda wish I hadn't deleted the post several hours before this guy had copied it and evidently festered over it before putting together a response that reminds me of some of the old movies portraying vengeful old testament characters ranting in thunderstorms from mountainsides, except that their grammar and spelling were better. I had deleted it not because it isn't exactly on-target, but because the more I thought about it, it was irrelevant to the "prophecy-Jerulsalem" topic under discussion. Oh, well.

 

[kwimby]

Have faith - gain a religion.

Have doubt - gain an education.

 

[The_Outlaw]

Have faith - gain a religion.

Have doubt - gain an education.

1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to Yahweh (God). As the Scriptures say, "He (Yahweh) traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness."

Go back to school Kwimby, because you are still a dummy imho.

 

[kwimby]

Go back to school Kwimby, because you are still a dummy imho.

Opinions are like you know what. Did you even ever go to school at all?

I'd believe you probably graduated with honors from the "School of Forming Uninformed Opinions."

You know what you are like?

 

[The_Outlaw]

Opinions are like you know what. Did you even ever go to school at all?

I'd believe you probably graduated with honors from the "School of Forming Uninformed Opinions."

You know what you are like?

Oh Yeah??
Well here's what I think of you 'Kwimby'?................

 

[UATKP]

True statement:
If you don't believe in Jesus the Christ, you'd better be right. Because time will soon tell.

 

[tcox4freedom]

1. The burden of proof with evidence is on the proponent of the argument that it's a human footprint and that it proves something. The burden of providing evidence to the contrary is not on a disbeliever to whom that absurd notion was propounded. (Note here the typical disingenuous creationist sham of trying to shift the burden of proof to somebody else's burden of disproof by throwing out a few assertions).
2. You can correctly assume that I have already read (and discussed) more about the pro-biblical side of this than some people read of anything in an entire lifetime. All it shows is that my signature line is there for a reason.

I see your sig line. But, as of the last 72 pages of this thread you have not offered any evidence to support your claims. The only real evidence that has been presented stands in stark opposition to your posted "OPINIONS".

You really can't be taken seriously at all because you have consistently refused to review much less consider the abundant, legitimate and extraordinary evidence that has already been presented.

You have even been afraid to admit to any of your own beliefs. The only thing you have done is voice ignorant opinions that have been based on nothing more than your emotional opinion. Until you are intellectually honest enough to admit "TRUTH" is absolute and it can't be invented; but, only "discovered" by scientific evidence, you'll never be taken seriously in this type of discussion.

So, go ahead and try to make a case of your own instead of continuing your pathetic attempts at trying to appear knowledgeable about anything. You, like many others claim to be a "free-thinker". But, in reality, you are just parroting others statements that have been based on BAD science. This means you are nothing more than a brainwashed mouth with no mind of your own.

Believe me, I'm not trying to attack you. I really want you and others to live the life you profess. To be a "free" and "critical" thinker you need to be willing to research, study & question your beliefs. Yet, you have continuously refused to read, consider & comment on the TRUE, LEGITIMATE & SCIENTIFICALLY supported evidence that has been placed before you in the last 72 pages.

IMHO; to remain blissfully ignorant to absolute TRUTH's based or REAL science and BACKED up by overwhelming empirical & forensic evidence because of emotionally based beliefs is NOT the act of a person of reason. To remain willfully ignorant in spite of all the evidence contrary to your limited knowledge is nothing more than the folly of fools.


I am open to hearing your beliefs and reading about how you came to believe them. But thus far, your silence on the subject speaks volumes to those that are TRUE men of reason and legitimate "critical" thinkers.

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[kwimby]

Looks like we got a good half dozen or so dancing the cognitive dissonance conga now. Thouhgt it might be more.

Just goes to show the far-reaching influential reflection of a fast-shrinking majority. :sarcastic:

 

[UATKP]

(snip)
IMHO; to remain blissfully ignorant to absolute TRUTH's based or REAL science and BACKED up by overwhelming empirical & forensic evidence because of emotionally based beliefs is NOT the act of a person of reason. To remain willfully ignorant in spite of all the evidence contrary to your limited knowledge is nothing more than the folly of fools. (snip)
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I agree, tc4f, "... the folly of fools...". And, in addition to your Biblical assessment, the problem they have is also addressed under the heading of "anosognosia", which is a legitimate inherent inability to recognize that, "...even thought they don't know the truth, they don't know that they don't know... and won't attempt to find out the real truth, in order that they may know they don't know."... best thing to do is to pray for their Spiritual eyes to be opened before it is too late for them.

 

[Ringo]

Looks like I'm going have to mark this thread for periodic re-visits (like the Economy Callapse one) to demonstrate the fallacy of this misguided thinking as well. :no:

Another member of the 90% club. :yes4:

I Can Predict The Future...GOD WINS!! :dance3:​

 

[UATKP]

I'm too old to try to read all the previous 70 pages... I did read the first few, though. I'd like to address the original post, in reference to the "two" commandments which Jesus mentioned:
The first, "love God with all you got" (my vernacular), actually covers the first four commandments that God wrote with his finger on the tablets (Exodus). Those are the Commandments that concern mankind's relationship to God.
The second, "love your neighbor"... actually covers the last six commandments of God in Exodus... which cover the six Commandments that concern our relationship to other people.
Jesus' "two" Commandments cover all of God's Ten Commandments.

Next, I'd like to point out that Biblical "love" is a verb... it is an action word... "agape"... unconditional love. It doesn't depend on what they do, or how they live their life. Love is something you do. You don't have to have the "warm fuzzies" for someone in order to love them with action. You can actually dislike someone personally, and you can still love them. You just do it -- for them -- without expecting anything in return. That is real love.

All that is just what I believe the Bible teaches about the Commandments Jesus mentioned, and how you can go about loving your neighbor. I won't even charge you the two cents. )

 

[Ringo]

As long as people have believed in God, there have been those who take the opposing view. The ranks of atheists have always been small, never amounting to more than four percent of the population. Atheists thrive by being a parasite on Christianity. The key problem with atheism is that it lacks a strong “selling point, they have no religion of their own, so the sole purpose of their existence revolves around attacking the validity of the Holy Bible. They mostly target the shortcomings of individuals. Unlike with a professional movie critic, from whom you can expect a few positive remarks for even the worst movies ever made, atheists are only able to issue negative commentary. "When a wise person debates with a fool, the fool rages and laughs, and there is no peace and quite" (Proverbs 29:9). Atheists operate much like chickens. As long as they have plenty of food, they will get along with each other. You deprive them of this requirement, and they will peck each other to death and turn into cannibals. Atheists are so opposed to anything linked to God that their hatred gets in the way of common sense, they believe that nothing, plus nothing, plus time, equals something. We Can Lead An Atheist To Evidence, But We Can't Make Them Think. A common refrain I get from godless people is that they can't wait until we Christians are gone. What they don't realize is that once we are gone, they will intellectually starve.

I Can Predict The Future...GOD WINS!! :dance3:​

 

[nosreme]

Timely article about what christian fundamentalists are doing to this country

Christian fundamentalists are driving our country into the Dark Ages

 

[Gallstones]

How long have people believed in a god?
Why is that something to emulate?
Haven't we figured a few things out about life and the universe since then?

 

[UATKP]

From Ringo: The key problem with atheism is that it lacks a strong “selling point, they have no religion of their own, so the sole purpose of their existence revolves around attacking the validity of the Holy Bible.

That's true, Ringo. Their key problem is also that which gives them their own national holiday... April 1. ... a fool says there is no God.