God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality

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Yet you offer no refute and no cite to any of the nonsense you claim supports the existence of gawd, and nothing to disprove anything I stated.

Not Funny, sad that I am right and you are now on the congnitive dissonance bandwagon - congratulations!

Next...

This thread is absolutely FULL of references & links to material that point to proof of God. (ALL of it is MUCH more scientifically valid than anything you have posted!)

Yet, you refuse to consider any of it because of your own "cognitive" limitations. The ONLY thing you & others seem to be able to offer is sarcasm and juvenile responses based on nothing more than the FEAR, hatred & disdain for the TRUTH.

The WORD of God is true and God does exist. The problem atheist have is they must refuse to accept that TRUTH in this thread even though is has more scientific relevance than ANYTHING you have brought to the discussion. Because--- if you even consider a small portion of the TRUTH presented to you here, you must intellectually accept the possibility that all of it is TRUE.

No, "you" are the one who is dissonant.


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This thread is absolutely FULL of references & links to material that point to proof of God. (ALL of it is MUCH more scientifically valid than anything you have posted!)

Yet, you refuse to consider any of it because of your own "cognitive" limitations. The ONLY thing you & others seem to be able to offer is sarcasm and juvenile responses based on nothing more than the FEAR, hatred & disdain for the TRUTH.

The WORD of God is true and God does exist. The problem atheist have is they must refuse to accept that TRUTH in this thread even though is has more scientific relevance than ANYTHING you have brought to the discussion. Because--- if you even consider a small portion of the TRUTH presented to you here, you must intellectually accept the possibility that all of it is TRUE.

No, "you" are the one who is dissonant.

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Bible prophecy is not a prediction of the future, rather a promise about the future. The Bible contains hundreds of specific prophecies that have been fulfilled in specific ways, all with 100% accuracy. There is no denying that truth. Prophecies of Jesus Christ, Israel and world empires are found throughout the Old and New Testaments. Fulfilled prophecy is one of the most powerful proofs that the Bible is truly the Word of God. Since all of the prophecies that were to be fulfilled in the first coming of Christ were fulfilled to the finest detail, we can be sure that the Bible itself is God's revelation to man since no human writer could be 100% accurate. The Bible does not waste its time, as philosophers so foolishly have for centuries, in any attempt to provide some philosophical "proof" for the existence of God. The God to which the Bible bears testimony is capable of communicating with mankind and promises to reveal Himself to all who sincerely desire and seek to know Him.


God has given a "sign" to the entire world for all generations. That sign is the land and people of Israel. God refers to "Israel my glory" (Isa:46:13) and says of her, "in whom I will be glorified" (Isa:49:3). How would this come about? By God's specific dealings with Israel before a watching world, after having prophesied precisely what would happen (2 Chr:7:20). Referring to the rescue of Israel at Armageddon, the subject of many Old Testament prophecies, Ezekiel:38:23 declares, "Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord."

The Bible declares that the prophecies it provides concerning Israel supply the irrefutable evidence for God's existence—and for the fact that He has a purpose for mankind. History is not merely happenstance. It is going somewhere. There is a plan. Biblical prophecies declare it irrefutably.

Prophecy, which reveals God's plan in advance, is the missing element in all sacred scriptures of the world's religions, because false gods cannot provide it. Prophecy is not to be found in the Koran, the Hindu Vedas, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Book of Mormon, the sayings of Buddha, the writings of Mary Baker Eddy. In contrast, prophecy comprises about 30 percent of the Bible.

Significantly, the God of the Bible identifies Himself as the One who accurately foretells the future and makes certain that it happens as He said it would. In fact, God points to prophecy as the irrefutable evidence of His existence and the authenticity of His Word: "For I am God, and there is none else. ...Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, my counsel shall stand..." (Isa:46:9-10)



There are two major topics of prophecy, both of which must be studied if one is to have any understanding of the Bible: 1) Israel; and 2) the Messiah, who would come to Israel and through her to the world. These two major topics involve specific fulfillments of prophecy that cannot be denied and which prove God's existence.

Exactly as His prophets foretold, because of their sin God scattered His people, Israel, throughout the entire world (Lev:26:33; Deut 4:27; 32:26; 1 Kgs 14:15; Neh:1:8; Jer:9:16; 49:32, etc.). Yet, amazingly, they remained an identifiable ethnic and national entity. That is miraculous. Moreover, for 2,500 years since the Babylonian captivity, and for 1,900 years since the Diaspora at the destruction of Jerusalem in a.d.70, in fulfillment of other prophecies, the scattered Jews have been hated and persecuted as Satan has sought to destroy them. Yet they survived—another miracle.

Furthermore, and just as the Bible declared (Jer:30:3,10-11; 31:8-10; Eze:11:17; 28:25, etc., etc.), the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have been brought back to their own land after all these centuries. Such an incredible event has never happened to any other people and certainly has no natural explanation. The Bible prophecies are so specific and numerous that no one can deny Israel's rebirth as a miracle of God. But that is not all!

The prophets also declared that in the last days Jerusalem would have a special importance for all nations. Not only would this occur during the Millennium when Christ was reigning there on David's throne, but just prior to His return. Zechariah:12:2-3 declares, "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about....I [will] make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people...." God was saying that the eyes of the entire world would be upon Jerusalem for fear of what would occur there.

At the time of this prophecy, about 2,500 years ago, Jerusalem was in ruins and surrounded by desolate desert and swamp. Nothing could have been more ludicrous than to suggest that one day the concerned attention of a modern world of more than 5 billion people would be focused upon this unlikely place. Yet that has been fulfilled precisely as foretold!

Whether atheist or believer, Hindu, Muslim or Jew, all mankind knows that the next world war, when it occurs, will break out over Jerusalem! Israel comprises only one-sixth of 1 percent of the land occupied by the Arabs. Why the great concern today over this tiny piece of arid real estate that lay abandoned for centuries? Yes, Jerusalem is sacred to Catholics, Muslims and Jews. But that doesn't explain why the whole world is concerned with establishing peace in the Middle East. Moreover, neither Catholics nor Muslims existed when these prophecies were made.

The Bible's prophecies concerning the Jews, Jerusalem and Israel are specific, preposterous, and impossible—yet fulfilled. There is no other explanation than that God is the author of the Bible, the Jews are His chosen people, and Israel is their land—and Jesus is the Christ.

In view of this great "sign" that God has given to the world, can anyone honestly be an atheist? Or can anyone deny that Jesus Christ is the only Savior? His advent was prophesied, as well, by the same prophets and is intimately connected to Israel. All that the prophets foretold concerning the coming Messiah was fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth—and the early church used that fact in proclaiming the gospel (Acts:2:22-36) So should we.
 
Bible prophecy is not a prediction of the future, rather a promise about the future. The Bible contains hundreds of specific prophecies that have been fulfilled in specific ways, all with 100% accuracy. There is no denying that truth. Prophecies of Jesus Christ, Israel and world empires are found throughout the Old and New Testaments. Fulfilled prophecy is one of the most powerful proofs that the Bible is truly the Word of God. Since all of the prophecies that were to be fulfilled in the first coming of Christ were fulfilled to the finest detail, we can be sure that the Bible itself is God's revelation to man since no human writer could be 100% accurate. The Bible does not waste its time, as philosophers so foolishly have for centuries, in any attempt to provide some philosophical "proof" for the existence of God. The God to which the Bible bears testimony is capable of communicating with mankind and promises to reveal Himself to all who sincerely desire and seek to know Him.


God has given a "sign" to the entire world for all generations. That sign is the land and people of Israel. God refers to "Israel my glory" (Isa:46:13) and says of her, "in whom I will be glorified" (Isa:49:3). How would this come about? By God's specific dealings with Israel before a watching world, after having prophesied precisely what would happen (2 Chr:7:20). Referring to the rescue of Israel at Armageddon, the subject of many Old Testament prophecies, Ezekiel:38:23 declares, "Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord."

The Bible declares that the prophecies it provides concerning Israel supply the irrefutable evidence for God's existence—and for the fact that He has a purpose for mankind. History is not merely happenstance. It is going somewhere. There is a plan. Biblical prophecies declare it irrefutably.

Prophecy, which reveals God's plan in advance, is the missing element in all sacred scriptures of the world's religions, because false gods cannot provide it. Prophecy is not to be found in the Koran, the Hindu Vedas, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Book of Mormon, the sayings of Buddha, the writings of Mary Baker Eddy. In contrast, prophecy comprises about 30 percent of the Bible.

Significantly, the God of the Bible identifies Himself as the One who accurately foretells the future and makes certain that it happens as He said it would. In fact, God points to prophecy as the irrefutable evidence of His existence and the authenticity of His Word: "For I am God, and there is none else. ...Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, my counsel shall stand..." (Isa:46:9-10)



There are two major topics of prophecy, both of which must be studied if one is to have any understanding of the Bible: 1) Israel; and 2) the Messiah, who would come to Israel and through her to the world. These two major topics involve specific fulfillments of prophecy that cannot be denied and which prove God's existence.

Exactly as His prophets foretold, because of their sin God scattered His people, Israel, throughout the entire world (Lev:26:33; Deut 4:27; 32:26; 1 Kgs 14:15; Neh:1:8; Jer:9:16; 49:32, etc.). Yet, amazingly, they remained an identifiable ethnic and national entity. That is miraculous. Moreover, for 2,500 years since the Babylonian captivity, and for 1,900 years since the Diaspora at the destruction of Jerusalem in a.d.70, in fulfillment of other prophecies, the scattered Jews have been hated and persecuted as Satan has sought to destroy them. Yet they survived—another miracle.

Furthermore, and just as the Bible declared (Jer:30:3,10-11; 31:8-10; Eze:11:17; 28:25, etc., etc.), the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have been brought back to their own land after all these centuries. Such an incredible event has never happened to any other people and certainly has no natural explanation. The Bible prophecies are so specific and numerous that no one can deny Israel's rebirth as a miracle of God. But that is not all!

The prophets also declared that in the last days Jerusalem would have a special importance for all nations. Not only would this occur during the Millennium when Christ was reigning there on David's throne, but just prior to His return. Zechariah:12:2-3 declares, "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about....I [will] make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people...." God was saying that the eyes of the entire world would be upon Jerusalem for fear of what would occur there.

At the time of this prophecy, about 2,500 years ago, Jerusalem was in ruins and surrounded by desolate desert and swamp. Nothing could have been more ludicrous than to suggest that one day the concerned attention of a modern world of more than 5 billion people would be focused upon this unlikely place. Yet that has been fulfilled precisely as foretold!

Whether atheist or believer, Hindu, Muslim or Jew, all mankind knows that the next world war, when it occurs, will break out over Jerusalem! Israel comprises only one-sixth of 1 percent of the land occupied by the Arabs. Why the great concern today over this tiny piece of arid real estate that lay abandoned for centuries? Yes, Jerusalem is sacred to Catholics, Muslims and Jews. But that doesn't explain why the whole world is concerned with establishing peace in the Middle East. Moreover, neither Catholics nor Muslims existed when these prophecies were made.

The Bible's prophecies concerning the Jews, Jerusalem and Israel are specific, preposterous, and impossible—yet fulfilled. There is no other explanation than that God is the author of the Bible, the Jews are His chosen people, and Israel is their land—and Jesus is the Christ.

In view of this great "sign" that God has given to the world, can anyone honestly be an atheist? Or can anyone deny that Jesus Christ is the only Savior? His advent was prophesied, as well, by the same prophets and is intimately connected to Israel. All that the prophets foretold concerning the coming Messiah was fulfilled in Jesus of Nazareth—and the early church used that fact in proclaiming the gospel (Acts:2:22-36) So should we.


You keep looking to the 'land'............it's not about the land.........it's about the people. Israel is a PEOPLE.........NOT A LAND!
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You are looking to the wrong places.
 
Will Israel become wealthiest nation in Mideast?

In the ongoing geopolitical chess game for wealth creation, power and even survival, the dawn of fracking technology literally changes everything. And it has the minds of analysts churning out a thick froth of speculation. This is true concerning political analysts as well as analysts of Bible prophecy.


 
Headlines vs Prophecy at Egyptian Summit

The Bible is a Middle East centered book when it comes to prophecy. Israel is at the epicenter.

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Signs of the End of the Age & This Last generation.

Palestinian officials urge Obama to push for peace, this push of course will be to give up more land and divide Jerusalem. America is the number one instigator in this push, and we still wonder why America isn't even mentioned in prophecy.

Zechariah 12:3

"And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it".​

God's Foreign Policy pertaining to Israel
Genesis 12:3​

"And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee"

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Netanyahu sending top peace negotiator to US ahead of Obama visit | The Times of Israel
 
Did I miss something here or did you say each of us is a god ? If you did , you are flirting with something you should not. There is but one GOD and it sure is not anyone here on earth
My GOD is in heaven and is control, and any pretense to equate yourself as god is plain wrong., and I want nothing to do with it....
 
Did I miss something here or did you say each of us is a god ? If you did , you are flirting with something you should not. There is but one GOD and it sure is not anyone here on earth
My GOD is in heaven and is control, and any pretense to equate yourself as god is plain wrong., and I want nothing to do with it....

Who is this in response to? Because if it's in response to anything that Ringo said, you definitely did miss something.

Blues
 
So the reality squared according to Ringo's interpretation of the Genesis passage is the Palestinians and for that matter all opposing Arabs, Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, along with any Western sympathizers including the U.S. is doomed to be cut in pieces? Allegorically speaking, of course. Or would we consider leaning more literal in this case? You know - whatever twist to the lie fits the bill... :pleasantry:

Did I get that right?
 
So the reality squared according to Ringo's interpretation of the Genesis passage is the Palestinians and for that matter all opposing Arabs, Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, along with any Western sympathizers including the U.S. is doomed to be cut in pieces? Allegorically speaking, of course. Or would we consider leaning more literal in this case? You know - whatever twist to the lie fits the bill... :pleasantry:

Did I get that right?
Not my interpretation, God says what He means and means what He says. Yes, ALL nations, including America, that get involved to cause the dividing of Jerusalem will literally suffer terrible consequences. And the destruction of ALL nations militarily invading Jerusalem (Psalm 83 "IDF" Major Destruction- Ezekiel 38-39 "God" Total Destruction-Isaiah 17- Damascus will cease to exist) will be literal. Now you tell me whatever twist to whatever lie fits whatever bill you know about.
 
Seems to me that astrology and/or crystals would be about as valid as the bible when it comes to "prophecy."

According to the Book of Enoch (Chapter 8), Astrology actually came from the fallen angel 'Baraqijal'.
Fallen angels are also known as 'Demons'...So if you want to give praise and credit to Demonic Forces as far as prophecy is concerned, then go on ahead. As far as I'm concerned, I will follow our True Lord, Yeshua (Jesus the Christ).

[Chapter 8]

1 And Azazel taught men to make swords, and knives, and shields, and breastplates, and made known to them the metals of the earth and the art of working them, and bracelets, and ornaments, and the use of antimony, and the beautifying of the eyelids, and all kinds of costly stones, and all 2 colouring tinctures. And there arose much godlessness, and they committed fornication, and they 3 were led astray, and became corrupt in all their ways. Semjaza taught enchantments, and root-cuttings, 'Armaros the resolving of enchantments, Baraqijal (taught) astrology, Kokabel the constellations, Ezeqeel the knowledge of the clouds, Araqiel the signs of the earth, Shamsiel the signs of the sun, and Sariel the course of the moon. And as men perished, they cried, and their cry went up to heaven . . .
 
Seems to me that astrology and/or crystals would be about as valid as the bible when it comes to "prophecy."

You would be wrong in your assumption-

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.
(The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 10[SUP]2000[/SUP](that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

read more here:

Reasons To Believe : Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible


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Looks like I'm going have to mark this thread for periodic re-visits (like the Economy Callapse one) to demonstrate the fallacy of this misguided thinking as well. :no:
 
Looks like I'm going have to mark this thread for periodic re-visits (like the Economy Callapse one) to demonstrate the fallacy of this misguided thinking as well. :no:

I hear you talking like you're supposed to know something. But, I don't see any facts to back up your opinions. To me, the only people bringing any FACTS or TRUE scientific & Biblical research to this thread have been those that "believe" in someone greater than themselves.

The bottom line is there is a whole lot more "REAL" evidence pointing to the FACT that the Bibles account of creation and history is correct; than there is real evidence to the contrary.

I'm sorry if the "Reality" of Biblical TRUTH's interfere with some of your humanist, atheist or agnostic fantasies.


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I hear you talking like you're supposed to know something. But, I don't see any facts to back up your opinions. To me, the only people bringing any FACTS or TRUE scientific & Biblical research to this thread have been those that "believe" in someone greater than themselves.

The bottom line is there is a whole lot more "REAL" evidence pointing to the FACT that the Bibles account of creation and history is correct; than there is real evidence to the contrary.

I'm sorry if the "Reality" of Biblical TRUTH's interfere with some of your humanist, atheist or agnostic fantasies.-

Validity and reliability of evidence--in fact, what constitutes evidence itself--is not a function of religious belief or non-belief. Evidence, and the process by which it's analyzed and interpreted, has to be faith-neutral, or it isn't evidence and the analytical process isn't even close to being valid and reliable. I think we've all seen how the very religious conjure up as "evidence" nonsense of various sorts when they want to disprove evolution and simultaneously prove something consistent only with creationism, prove that the earth is of recent origin, prove that dinosaurs and men co-existed, show how some current event was "prophecised" in ancient biblical texts, etc, etc, etc. It's substandard, agenda-driven thinking.
 
Validity and reliability of evidence--in fact, what constitutes evidence itself--is not a function of religious belief or non-belief. Evidence, and the process by which it's analyzed and interpreted, has to be faith-neutral, or it isn't evidence. I think we've all seen how the very religious conjure up as "evidence" nonsense of various sorts when they want to disprove evolution, prove that the earth is of recent origin, prove that dinosaurs and men co-existed, etc, etc, etc. It's substandard, agenda-driven thinking.

There has been a great deal of valid & reliable evidence presented here by those of us on the side of TRUTH. (I just haven't seen much coming from across the isle.)

I've provided links to several good sources that use valid scientific methods & research to back up what some of us know to be true. But, you have to be open to receive the data. That means you MUST be willing to put down any & all preconceived notions about what you have heard or may have erroneously learned during school.

The 1st thing you need to agree on before any substantive dialogue can be achieved is the fact that absolute TRUTH exists. Having a fact based conversation can only be achieved if you believe TRUTH is absolute & not relative. (If you can't do this, trying to have an intelligent & informed discussion is pointless.)

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Validity and reliability of evidence--in fact, what constitutes evidence itself--is not a function of religious belief or non-belief. Evidence, and the process by which it's analyzed and interpreted, has to be faith-neutral, or it isn't evidence and the analytical process isn't even close to being valid and reliable. I think we've all seen how the very religious conjure up as "evidence" nonsense of various sorts when they want to disprove evolution and simultaneously prove something consistent only with creationism, prove that the earth is of recent origin, prove that dinosaurs and men co-existed, show how some current even was "prophecised" in ancient biblical texts, etc, etc, etc. It's substandard, agenda-driven thinking.
In 1987, palaeontologist Jerry MacDonald discovered a wide variety of fossilized tracks from several different species of animals and birds, located in a Permian strata. Among the various fossilized tracks were the clear prints of a human foot. In July 1992, the Smithsonian Magazine had an article on these tracks called "Petrified Footprints: A Puzzling Parade of Permian Beasts". The magazine acknowledged the mystery, acknowledging "what palaeontologists like to call, 'problematic.'" It described what appeared to be large mammal and bird tracks that, "evolved long after the Permian period, yet these tracks are clearly Permian. While it is commendable that MacDonald and the Smithsonian clearly acknowledge the existence of these tracks in a strata that contradicts the current evolutionary theory, it is noteworthy that they highlight only the mammal and bird prints, and don't mention the human footprint found with them.

Interestingly enough, since these tracks have been discovered, evolutionists have not tried to argue their authenticity or debunk them. Nor have they tried to argue that the footprint isn't human. Their silence is deafening.
 
I'm pretty familiar with the much-hyped (by creationists out to simultaneously prove young-earth creationism and debunk evolution) Zapata track. In fact, there's no evidence what it was--much less than it was a human footprint--or how old it is. It doesn't contradict the theory of evolution (and I use "theory" here in the accepted scientific sense, not in the simpleminded sense of "conjecture" the hyper-religious like to pretend it means). Article in The Smithsonian? So what? It's a popular media magazine, not even close to being a peer-reviewed professional journal. As to the evolutionists' conspiracy of silence, scientists don't waste their time trying to prove or disprove things for which there's no reliable evidence such as why an alleged human footprint would be found in a geological stratum from a time when humans didn't exist. Creationists love to make hay out of this, but even if you give it the benefit of the doubt by calling it an anomaly, that's hardly enough to call into question the overwhelming evidence for evolution. It's a scientifically and logically piece of non-evidence of anything--exactly the sort of thing creationists absolutely revel in exploiting when they think they can put one over on impressionable (aka "simple") minds. Creationists ignore real evidence and in this case, try to bolster their agenda by using scientists' responsible methods (not finding this thing as capable of supporting any reasonable inferences) as proof that creationists are right. That's no just bizarre, but ludicrous. It's also typical. Thinkers dismiss creationists' drivel but do take the time to bemoan the damage they do to the American education system and to the financial coffers of states they con into funding garbage like creationist museums and "educational" dinosaur parks with children riding the dinosaurs. I don't know whether to laugh or puke.

My not dignifying any further creationist nonsense with a response does NOT, contrary to a preferred creationist method of "proof," constitute acquiescence by silence.
 
Who is this in response to? Because if it's in response to anything that Ringo said, you definitely did miss something.

Blues

I forget who I replied to. But as I stated , "YOUR STATING Everyone is a god ? If you did , you are flirting with something you should not. There is but one GOD and it sure is not anyone here on earth
My GOD is in heaven and is control, and any pretense to equate yourself as god is plain wrong., and I want nothing to do with it...."
 
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