CapGun
Active member
Just to set the record straight. These were not gang members and this was in an upscale neighborhood circa 1970. Just kids doing something stupid.
Drawing your firearm to scare away a threat?
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Just to set the record straight. These were not gang members and this was in an upscale neighborhood circa 1970. Just kids doing something stupid.
dogshawred
New member
Right/Wrong isn't the case in today's state of mind. Your actions could get you killed today even if you had a real gun.
Not only are they going to challenge you, they are going to ambush you into stopping and confronting them, with the knowledge that they are in control and aware of what is going to happen. You on the other had are acting emotionally and blindly...giving up your control of the situation, not knowing what situation you are exposing yourself and possibly other to unnecessarily.
Just because they aren't members of a gang doesn't mean they aren't or couldn't be dangerous to your well being. In America today kids out together are playing the Knock-out game just so they can feel big by posting U-tube vids. So what does gang affiliation have to do with anything. Kids can be stupid all by their selves.
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Carrying a weapon requires that we be more responsible and not be drawn into stupid acts by stupid people, your situational awareness has to be 100% at all times. You must control your emotions or be willing to pay the price of being too involved and making a mistake that could cost you dearly.
CapGun
Active member
Hey dog>>>>>> there is truth in what you say in today's world. Situational awareness reigns. This was in 1970. I knew the town and the Jr High the kids were hanging out in. They greeted me and my friends with the comment that they didn't do anything wrong when we never said why we drove into the parking lot. Completely different then saying "what do you want MF'er" They were scared just by my presence. Given the situation, what I did posed 100% no danger to me with the exception of telling the Police I had a gun, which I didn't. The idea of telling the Police never entered the rock throwing kids mind. Or mine at that time for that matter. Before you correct me by saying nothing is 100%. I will reduce the "no danger" to me from Jr High kids to 99.5%. Read other posts by me that reference "an armed society is a polite society" and how when carrying my blood pressure never rises by the stupid acts of others. It is always like it never happened.
caveatimptor
small arms instructor
But I feel the number one goal as a concealed carrier is to avoid problems and be the bigger person. (copy paste)
This is my opinion as a ccl instructor. (get that out of the way before the armchair know-it-alls get on me)
Drawing a gun could be considered in some jurisdictions as 'brandishing'. Here is a tid-bit. from my point of view.
Never let a criminal know that you have a gun! they will soon find out. Avoid trouble, de-escalate the situation. Deadly Force
is the last resort. Do not display a firearm, do not fire 'warning shots' do not shoot to wound. If another human is about
to use deadly force against you. You must use superior deadly force against them. We can practice 'what if' till the cows
come home. Every confrontation is different. I think a fight avoided is the best fight. Not that I'm a *****. I know I can
take another humans life. The aftermath, cops, lawyers, judges, court. Gets real expensive! After you defend yourself.
You have to defend yourself in court. I welcome constructive, logical conversation. Thanx, Harold
This is my opinion as a ccl instructor. (get that out of the way before the armchair know-it-alls get on me)
Drawing a gun could be considered in some jurisdictions as 'brandishing'. Here is a tid-bit. from my point of view.
Never let a criminal know that you have a gun! they will soon find out. Avoid trouble, de-escalate the situation. Deadly Force
is the last resort. Do not display a firearm, do not fire 'warning shots' do not shoot to wound. If another human is about
to use deadly force against you. You must use superior deadly force against them. We can practice 'what if' till the cows
come home. Every confrontation is different. I think a fight avoided is the best fight. Not that I'm a *****. I know I can
take another humans life. The aftermath, cops, lawyers, judges, court. Gets real expensive! After you defend yourself.
You have to defend yourself in court. I welcome constructive, logical conversation. Thanx, Harold
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
The best way for me to avoid a gun fight is to stop the bad guy from picking me in the first place. There's a reason why ADT posts signs on their customers lawns and windows, to stop burglars before they try the alarm system. I open carry for the tactical advantage. It's also much less expensive.
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CharlesMorrison
Banned
You say it all cav. You sound just like my CCWP instructor who is a Deputy Sheriff and a very competent instructor. I will avoid, evade, hide--do anything. My precursor to anything is still situational awareness--if I am not there, I will never have a problem; if an event or location gives me second thoughts I will not go. I will, if confronted and trying to evade--yell, yell, yell--it is called having witnesses listening to your problem should it escalate. I will try, particularly at night to have my firearm in as efficient a position as I can while I evade/avoid what appears to be an imminent danger that is becoming real---ie: have it in my hand under my jacket or my shirt but never exposed. Good reply cav--thanks.
dogshawred
New member
Gee, can I play toooooo. I wanna play, come on let me play. Pleezzzzzze
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electricman43
New member
Jim, I agree with you totally. I was taught at a very young age that if a firearm is pulled in self defense, there is no statement, Stop or I'll shoot. the threat is imminent and there is no return. the bullet cannot be taken back. we must make up our minds in a split second, so pulling or not to pull the weapon better be dire.
CharlesMorrison
Banned
electricman43
New member
This is exactly what I was saying, the long and short of it is just this, If the weapon is drawn, it will be fired. other than that, either I'm going to leave the scene, or the situation isn't that dire.
Firefighterchen
OC for Tactical Advantage
There are a couple of people on this forum that share your same view, if the gun comes out its firing. How do you justify that when the majority of times a firearm is pulled in self defense it is not fired? How often do you use the statistic, "a firearm is used approximately 2 million times a year in self defense." If we only count those that had to fire, that number would be closer to 200,000.
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All well and good until that parking lot surveillance video shows you shooting a criminal who has dropped the knife they were holding and is turning to run away.
mappow
New member
At the time it is being drawn, there are no other alternatives but to stop the threat. Postulate all you want but my standard of proof is there was absolutely no other decision I was left with but to draw and fire. and I train accordingly. "Get on the ground" ala COPS on TV is for LEO's. I ain't no LEO. Nuf said.....
1. You ain't no LEO - which is correct. Which also means that you have the possibility of going to jail for shooting someone who has dropped their knife and is turning to run away, whereas there is little possibility of LEO going to jail for that. In fact, LEO will get months of paid administrative leave and their defense paid for by the union, whereas you will likely be fired and have to take food off your family's table to pay for your defense all because you didn't have the sense not to pull the trigger when the threat was stopped by the mere presentation of the gun.
2. You don't have to yell "Get on the ground" or anything else for the criminal to see that you are going for a gun and decide to run.
3. I am not postulating anything. I am merely considering the possibility that the act of reaching for a gun might be enough to send the criminal running - you know, that whole "element of surprise".... and if the criminal turns tail and runs, I am still going to draw my firearm in case they decide to stop running, turn back, an re-engage.
mappow
New member
You consider your response, I'll train for mine. Shoot don't shoot. The engagement is mine to choose.
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S&W645
NRA Life Member
Another hearing and vote tomorrow in the Florida Senate Judiciary Committee to stop anti-gun prosecutor from going after people who draw their weapons but end up not firing them. The Florida laws allow the use of up to and including deadly force if necessary currently but if you draw and don't use, you might be charged under the 10/20/life rule. A law that was designed for use on criminals, not law abiding citizens.
