corneileous
Active member
What petition?? Are you off your rocker, old man? Taking too many pills? Stoned as a gravel road or somethin?
Does anyone CCW a full size pistol?
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What petition?? Are you off your rocker, old man? Taking too many pills? Stoned as a gravel road or somethin?
Hey corneileous, I was going to PM somebody like you and ask what kind of
arthropod he has lodged in his posterior. I guess us Fudds will just have to
try to ignore the trolls. Are there mods here? I tried to message them a week ago,
pertaining to some of the rude, mean-spirited posts.
DNK if I didn't get through, or just got ignored, never got an answer.
arthropod he has lodged in his posterior. I guess us Fudds will just have to
try to ignore the trolls. Are there mods here? I tried to message them a week ago,
pertaining to some of the rude, mean-spirited posts.
DNK if I didn't get through, or just got ignored, never got an answer.
bofh
Banned
I guess you really have no clue.
Here is Larry Vickers showing how
one can decock the 92FS when
racking the slide. Coming up
on a dead trigger after a reload
or after a malfunction clearance
in a gunfight can get you killed.
This is one of the many reasons
why operators don't carry the
Beretta.
Now, Vickers' solution is to use the
slide release. Many training schools
do not teach using the slide release
for very good reason. You still need to
rack the slide for malfunction clearance.
Now, you have two different procedures
for re-loading a firearm and
the shooter needs to think during a gunfight
which procedure to use. The shooter still
may come up with a dead trigger after
a malfunction clearance.
STILL waiting for the folks who were KILLED by a 92FS decocker...
Got three of them, at your happy little "10K+rounds", FUNNY, this has
NEVER happened to me. My outdated, backward, no indoors plumbing,
inferior, 'gonna get you killed' guns always fire, and always cycle,
with any standard ammo made.
Go figure.
I guess they only malfunction for the enlightened people, like YOU.
Got three of them, at your happy little "10K+rounds", FUNNY, this has
NEVER happened to me. My outdated, backward, no indoors plumbing,
inferior, 'gonna get you killed' guns always fire, and always cycle,
with any standard ammo made.
Go figure.
I guess they only malfunction for the enlightened people, like YOU.
corneileous
Active member
I'm being serious here so, I have a few questions. This problem you speak of, is it just prominent on the M9 and the 92fs/style guns or what?
I'm sure as you probably know, I have a full size Storm that has the safety decocker as well. After watching the video, I just practiced quite a few times on reloading a new mag using the slingshot method which, I'm assuming is what leads to a dead trigger though, each time, my safety was still on and ready to fire.
But, I will also say, I've never even used the slingshot method to release the slide on my beretta until I got my little Ruger LC9S because of the fact that the slide release is more difficult to release with the thumb than it is on my beretta. It's like you have to reach over, no matter what on the Ruger and use your other hand to rack the slide back after reloading a new mag after emptying one.
My storm is easy enough to do with the thumb release. I can actually be ready to go again quicker upon emptying my storm over emptying the little Ruger.
S&W makes lots of pistols with the SAME de-cocker. But WHAT do Beretta and S&W know? There's a
wise-acre, on a gun forums somewhere, with ALL the answers. Buys all the right equipment, gets all the
right training, even craps in a manner which has been delineated by the National Plumbing Society to be
geometrically perfect...
wise-acre, on a gun forums somewhere, with ALL the answers. Buys all the right equipment, gets all the
right training, even craps in a manner which has been delineated by the National Plumbing Society to be
geometrically perfect...
bofh
Banned
This problem has been most experienced with the M9 and the 92FS. The slide-mounted decocker/safety on the Storm is slightly different, making it less likely. However, the problem still exits. As for racking the slide, you should train and practice malfunction clearance. The slide release will not help you there. My all-time favorite, Clint Smith from Thunder Ranch:
I recently shot a poorly maintained S&W M&P Shield 9mm that had a failure to eject every 2-3 rounds. I got a lot of tap-rack-bang practice.
bofh
Banned
Which S&W would that be? The outdated 3rd Generation, like the 4506 or the 4006. Yes, they have the same problem. As far as I know, they are not produced anymore and police departments have moved on to the M&P line. Meanwhile, the Army is getting rid of the M9 in favor of the Sig P320. By the way, the famous Walther PPK has the same outdated design.
corneileous
Active member
I guess it's something I'll have to practice but, I just don't see how the guy in the first video was basically putting the safety on while slingshotting the slide after reloading a fresh mag. Like I said, upon watching the first video, I practiced it on my storm about 10 times and each time, my safety stayed off, ready to fire.
I can see how since, on my storm, you can rack it back either way with ease and that with my Ruger, the slingshot method is most likely preferred because the thumb release isn't as easy as it is on my beretta that, practicing the slingshot method is preferred for a wider range of guns, because of the fact that thumb-releases aren't as easy to engage with the thumb as they are on others.
But it's all about practice. I'm going to continue doing what I do with each gun because that's what I'm used to. I have it set in my head that if it's the Ruger in my hand, I use the slingshot method. If the storm is my hand, I use the thumb release. If I have a jam, stovepipe or anything else, I'll rack it back the other way.
It's all about practice.
I can see how since, on my storm, you can rack it back either way with ease and that with my Ruger, the slingshot method is most likely preferred because the thumb release isn't as easy as it is on my beretta that, practicing the slingshot method is preferred for a wider range of guns, because of the fact that thumb-releases aren't as easy to engage with the thumb as they are on others.
But it's all about practice. I'm going to continue doing what I do with each gun because that's what I'm used to. I have it set in my head that if it's the Ruger in my hand, I use the slingshot method. If the storm is my hand, I use the thumb release. If I have a jam, stovepipe or anything else, I'll rack it back the other way.
It's all about practice.
And I am STILL WAITING to hear about the people who were KILLED by a 92FS or M9 decocker.
WHAT's the problem? You have a WIDE field of users. The US Armed Forces, the San Francisco PD,
police forces and armed forces around the world, NATO countries.
What's the holdup here? COME ON, you have all the S&W decockers, too.
WELL? SIX HOURS isn't enough time to get that short list?
I'm a little busy, bofh, just tell me how many weeks it will take you, and I'll
check back, then.
WHAT's the problem? You have a WIDE field of users. The US Armed Forces, the San Francisco PD,
police forces and armed forces around the world, NATO countries.
What's the holdup here? COME ON, you have all the S&W decockers, too.
WELL? SIX HOURS isn't enough time to get that short list?
I'm a little busy, bofh, just tell me how many weeks it will take you, and I'll
check back, then.
bofh
Banned
You may want to actually read my post, before commenting on it:
Nowhere I stated that the Beretta 92FS has killed anyone. I guess you had to make up something to have any argument here.
Also, In contrast to you, I have a job, so if I am not replying to your made up posts within 6 hours that means that I am busy making money.
mikestone967
Banned
You and SR8.2 are gonna get along swimmingly! You're already just like two peas in a pod, how cute!
So, now, correct me if I'm wrong, you like glocks. Glocks have a SYNDROME named after them,
(GLOCK LEG) because so many people have shot themselves with them, and you're trashing
Berettas, because you and a bunch of "experts" thought up a problem which MIGHT hurt somebody, some day ?
Well, I'll help you out here. Berettas have a bit of style, but more importantly a REAL slide release.
I've never met anybody yet, who went off target, DURING A RELOAD, by using BOTH ARMS, AND MOVING
COMPLETELY OUT OF READY POSITION, in order to slingslot a slide which can be released with a small, fast
FLICK of the shooter's right thumb, on the slide release.
NOW, maybe, if you're used to those cheap plastic glocks, which HAVE to be slingshotted, because there's no
decent quality slide release, you might, out of habit, slingshot a Beretta. So, because you're too cheap to get a
well-made gun in the first place, you hazard putting your OWN life at risk, and that's all.
Now, I'm not gonna ask if you have any more snotty, disruptive comments to make, or any
more threads to ruin, because all of us "Fudds" (BTW, hunting 3 times in the last two days, how about you?)
know the answer is "yes".
XD40scinNC
New member
mikestone967
Banned
It's not a "slide release". It's a slide LOCK. Nice try though
bofh
Banned
So much fail in one single post. Consider getting some professional training. You will very quickly realize how off your post is.
As for the "Glock leg", this is mostly due to shooters, mainly law enforcement officers, who can't keep their damn finger off the trigger and who do not know how to properly holster their firearm. In the good old days of heavier and longer revolver triggers, those handguns were much more forgiving when it came to violating the rules of firearm safety. Here is a prime example of what I mean:
Those "experts" you doubt are retired SEALS, MARSOC, Rangers, and active professional firearm instructors. The video I posted is from Larry Vickers, a retired US Army 1st SFOD-Delta combat veteran, but what does he know in comparison to you, right?
Since you never met someone who properly reloaded a firearm using the slingshot technique, you never completed a professional training class in your life. Only very few semi-automatic handguns have a proper slide release, such as some Sigs. Glocks, S&W M&Ps, Berettas and many other handguns have a slide stop and not a slide release. From the Beretta 92 manual:
As it turns out, you are using your firearm not according to its manual. Also, Beretta calls it a slide stop lever. But what does Beretta know in contrast to you, right?
As for your cheap plastic gun vs. "well-made" Betetta. LOL. The US Army is replacing the Beretta with the Sig P320, a better performing and more versatile plastic gun. Most law enforcement agencies in the US carry Glocks or S&W M&Ps, i.e., plastic guns. But what do they know in contrast to you, right?
Yup, and I carried a Third Gen S&W right up to the day I did EXACTLY what bofh is talking about while clearing a malfunction in a shoot house. I didn't quite drink the Glock koolaid (Although there IS a Glock 19 in my future) but I had an M&P less than a week later and haven't carried anything else since.
I want to know how you drop one magazine and insert the other without coming off target
I want to know why this dumbass even pulled the gun out in the first place
Not for conceal, but for open carry. I open carry a S&W 686P and conceal a S&W 36 Chiefs Special. Sometimes I'll just conceal the Chief. If conceal carry is the only option I'd definitely go with a smaller gun. It's better to have a small gun that's reliable, and that you will always carry than a full size gun at home or in your car.
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