Bill Would Let Legal Gun Owners Carry Weapons Around Country

[gunnerbob]

The concern expressed here by those who are opposed to this bill is that while the words contained within said bill may not directly allow the FED to intervene with States' CCW laws/regulations now, that with a changed interpretation of the bill (or a few key words/phrases within the bill) later may allow the FED to have control over the nation's CCW laws entirely. It's a concern that such a bill could be a Trojan Horse of sorts, that it could be misused in such a manner as has the Commerce Clause to control nearly everything. The concern is legitimate, our governments history proves that as does Murphy's Law. What ever can go wrong, probably will. Those opposed are simply concerned that this is a very slippery slope and one that should not be approached without caution.

 

[Bikenut]

I agree that navylcdr's scenario is 1possible outcome. However, some people here treat it as it were gospel. I liken it to the doomsday predictions of "blood in the streets" that the anti-gun crowd always holler whenever new gun friendly legislation is introduced.

This bill doesn't allow the federal government to control our permits. It forces the states to recognize permits from other States.

Have you ever tried to get a non resident permit from NJ or MD? Not happening! So why should I be disarmed when traveling to and through those states? If I DO arm myself, I risk jail. Then who takes care of my family? You? The state? This bill removes that problem.

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About that part of your post I put in bold for emphasis....

And it appears to me many folks are looking at bills that give them permission from the government to carry across State lines with rose colored glasses hoping the magnanimous and Constitution following folks like Obama (yeah, that was sarcasm) will "let" them carry across State lines while ignoring the elephant in the room of Daddy Fed never stopping in his power grabbing ways. Do you really think the Feds, with the influence of those most restrictive State's, can't build on a simple reciprocity bill to become the controller of carry permits?

Here are a couple of simple questions...

Do you really want the likes of Obama and his crew of anti Constitution ilk to have any kind of control over carry permits? And do you think that Obama and his ilk could resist bastardizing a concealed carry bill of any kind until they are in complete control of who, where, why, what, and how, concealed carry would be............. allowed?

Now ... about those States where you can't carry I'll ask...

What have you, you personally, done to help the people in those States fight against those restrictive laws that you don't like?

 

[Leader]

Utter nonsense. This "constitutional carry" bill is so egregiously dishonest in just its name that to take it seriously after knowing that proves the person doing so is delusional.

This bill would only mandate that permits be honored across state lines, but within the confines of the existent law in the state being visited. In other words, your home permission slip may give you lots of privileges while in your home state, but cross into NJ or CA and your privileges under that permission slip are no better than a resident of NJ or CA. In fact, they're identical, which, in both states, the requirements to even qualify for one are so restrictive that they're nearly unheard of for anyone except LEOs or ex-LEOs under LEOSA. Meanwhile, pass this law and insert the federal government between you and two or more states when you sue over being denied your rights under a phony "constitutional carry" federal law, and I'll guaran-damn-tee ya that things will get worse in gun friendly states rather than better in the anti-gun states. If you think I'm wrong, cite one federal program that inserted federal regulation across the states concerning issues that were previously controlled at each individual state level that didn't eventually result in added expense, limiting freedom, solidifying central control and/or violating the Constitution. I'm thinking education here, or the kind of extortion by the fed through denying highway funds to states unless they conform to federal standards etc.
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Blues

Would you equate this to the way he Fed has taken over all aspects of being able to drive? Or all aspects of being married?

You not wanting the Fed to change the laws in YOUR state doesn't extend to other states? You want your license privileges in my state?
And following the laws of carrying in another state has nothing to do with the requirements to get a permit in those states, it just means you can carry in that state just like a resident un restricted permit holder.

 

[maybejim]

Well there you go, just like the Fed's have taken over the requirements to get a Driver's Licence they would do the same with Carry Permits. The Fed's do set the training and tests required for a Driver's License that they require all states to recognize don't they? Oops. Of course it is the Constitution that requires all States to recognize other states Driver's Licenses (which should apply to Carry Permits). It blows me away that the all or nothing bunch are our biggest enemy.

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[NavyLCDR]

Would you equate this to the way he Fed has taken over all aspects of being able to drive? Or all aspects of being married?

No, but I would equate it to the way the Feds have regulated the purchase, possession and sales of firearms already infringing upon the 2nd Amendment. My position is that this bill would just give the Federal government a foot in the door to further regulate the carrying of firearms more than they already have.

Awful lot of fear of
what's not part of the bill. Frankly with the attitude of all or nothing, all we're going get is nothing.

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Why does rejecting one "compromise" have to equate to an all or nothing attitude?

 

[Firefighterchen]

I hope they pass a federal law protecting ammo...they wouldn't never change definitions to ban certain 5.56...

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.*We didn’t pass it on to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. RR

I oppose the bill, I live on the west coast, I travel from WA to ID, OR, UT, NV, WY, AZ, MT and rarely CA. Yes, I don't want this side of the state's to look like the east side...what Bloomberg and you guys weren't happy enough screwing up your own area, you have to try and come over here?

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[r1derbike]

Who in their right mind would have no problem with redcoat inglourious basterds (movie plug here) overseeing nationwide travel reciprocity (remember, as blues said, this is just about travel) in this country? The lemmings already have their necks in the stocks, the feds just haven't released the guillotine blade yet.

The myopia and blinded qualifications shown here are disturbing. This is a powder-keg that the feds will surely light, whenever the time is right, after if passes.

Anyone with a modicum of gray matter may see the setup.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Well there you go, just like the Fed's have taken over the requirements to get a Driver's Licence they would do the same with Carry Permits. The Fed's do set the training and tests required for a Driver's License that they require all states to recognize don't they? Oops. Of course it is the Constitution that requires all States to recognize other states Driver's Licenses (which should apply to Carry Permits). It blows me away that the all or nothing bunch are our biggest enemy.

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I'm proud to say I'm the enemy of those that want to infringe the 2A further, wanting it to become a completely lost Right like driving our own vehicles on public roads.

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[Firefighterchen]

Where's the exception in the bill that says we can be within 1000' of a school without a permit from the state the school resides in?

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[Bikenut]

Well there you go, just like the Fed's have taken over the requirements to get a Driver's Licence they would do the same with Carry Permits. The Fed's do set the training and tests required for a Driver's License that they require all states to recognize don't they? Oops. Of course it is the Constitution that requires all States to recognize other states Driver's Licenses (which should apply to Carry Permits). It blows me away that the all or nothing bunch are our biggest enemy.

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What blows me away are the folks who jump at the chance to give Daddy Fed more power over rights just to have the convenience of being able to carry across State lines and think that has something to do with regaining the right to bear arms.

 

[r1derbike]

Where's the exception in the bill that says we can be within 1000' of a school without a permit from the state the school resides in?

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This proposed legislation has so many variables and pitfalls, it will be nearly impossible to think of them all.

I may hear hard-assed LEOs all over the country saying to travelers that aren't carrying their firearms in step with state/federal laws; oops, you gonna be in the pokey with smokey, boy.

BTW, the feds have told us to confiscate all firearms, and charge you with trumped felonies, even if you are following state/federal laws; how you like them thar apples, boy? We recommend Dove soap, as it is 1/4 cleansing cream. My wife loves it!

Yeah, I'm cynical.

 

[Leader]

Where's the exception in the bill that says we can be within 1000' of a school without a permit from the state the school resides in?

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Same place it is for any standing reciprocal agreement between states now.
That law says "Knowingly" within 1000', and when is the last time you saw ANYONE stopped and charged with only this offence?
Not being able to go within 1000' of a school bothers you so much you would restrict everyone else in the country from carrying a gun anywhere in that state?

 

[Leader]

This proposed legislation has so many variables and pitfalls, it will be nearly impossible to think of them all.

I may hear hard-assed LEOs all over the country saying to travelers that aren't carrying their firearms in step with state/federal laws; oops, you gonna be in the pokey with smokey, boy.
BTW, the feds have told us to confiscate all firearms, and charge you with trumped felonies, even if you are following state/federal laws; how you like them thar apples, boy? We recommend Dove soap, as it is 1/4 cleansing cream.

Just as the police can say you are going to jail for violating ANY of the other state laws they have.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Same plase it is for any standing reciprocal agreement between states now.
That law says "Knowingly" within 1000', and when is the last time you saw ANYONE stopped and charged with only this offence?
Not being able to go within 1000' of a school bothers you so much you would restrict everyone else in the country from carrying a gun anywhere in that state?

So if one just needs to be ignorant of the laws and property lines, why not take that everywhere? But...as long as no one has been charged then it's okay to break the law Right? Why not just break the law, because it's the right thing to do, not because you feel you can get away with it?

Anywhere in the state, does that include all the places that would be off limits by state law? How about mag capacities? Hollow point restrictions? Maybe you can carry into a bar where you live, but you get caught where you are visiting? Notification laws? Going to plead ignorance like that new Jersey mom?

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[Axeanda45]

These pro-infringers remind me of something a teenage boy would tell his honeygirl in the back seat... "I'll only stick it in a tiny bit, trust me"

The TRUE "Rights Supporters" on this forum know that the govt is the teenage boy in this situation... The "supporters of FURTHER INFRINGEMENTS" are the honeygirl, and THEY WANT HIM TO STICK IT IN......... because they TRUST the govt.... How more delusional can someone be?

 

[S&W645]

Same place it is for any standing reciprocal agreement between states now.
That law says "Knowingly" within 1000', and when is the last time you saw ANYONE stopped and charged with only this offence?
Not being able to go within 1000' of a school bothers you so much you would restrict everyone else in the country from carrying a gun anywhere in that state?

Get stopped for a routine traffic infraction, have license run and it shows up or be in a state that requires notification, lose gun. And your rights to own a gun. Ohio thumbed its nose at the Feds and said that anyone with a permit or license from a state they have reciprocity with is fine in Ohio.

 

[Leader]

What blows me away are the folks who jump at the chance to give Daddy Fed more power over rights just to have the convenience of being able to carry across State lines and think that has something to do with regaining the right to bear arms.

Nothing in this bill gives the Fed anymore power then they already have.
And no one has said they think it has anything to do with "regaining the right to bear arms".
Just that we should be able to carry through any state if we already have a permit in our home state.

And YES, most of us agree we shouldn't NEED a permit to carry anywhere.

 

[Bikenut]

The Federal government has interpreted the Commerce clause to mean they can regulate (control) and tax anything that crosses State lines.

So... food for thought....

If the Federal government has decreed that all States must allow concealed carry permitees to carry their concealed firearms (and their concealed carry permits!) across State lines would the fact that the Feds are now involved, even if slightly, in the carrying of firearms across State lines under the authority of a carry permit give the Feds the power to regulate (control) and tax said permits and such carrying... under the umbrella of the commerce clause?

 

[Firefighterchen]

These pro-infringers remind me of something a teenage boy would tell his honeygirl in the back seat... "I'll only stick it in a tiny bit, trust me"

The TRUE "Rights Supporters" on this forum know that the govt is the teenage boy in this situation... The "supporters of FURTHER INFRINGEMENTS" are the honeygirl, and THEY WANT HIM TO STICK IT IN......... because they TRUST the govt.... How more delusional can someone be?

Really Axe...had to go there...Lol

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[Bikenut]

Nothing in this bill gives the Fed anymore power then they already have.
And no one has said they think it has anything to do with "regaining the right to bear arms".
Just that we should be able to carry through any state if we already have a permit in our home state.

And YES, most of us agree we shouldn't NEED a permit to carry anywhere.

Ummm...

Originally Posted by maybejim View Post
There are people who like to live in the land of delusion and people who like to live in the real world. The real world has laws about firearms. This law would be a begining of returning to Constitutional law. It's not the best but a step in the right direction.