Michael Brown

[BluesStringer]

What, nobody here reads the New York Times? BREAKING: Officer Wilson Shot Michael Brown in the Squad Car - The Truth About Guns

What, nobody here listens to actual eye-witnesses?

Dorian Johnson described exactly under what circumstances the first shot went off inside the cop's SUV starting at about 1:25 or so just shortly after the shooting here:

And no, I never read the New York Times unless it's the only source available for really important stories. And apparently you don't either since you didn't link to the Times, but to the Truth About Guns blog where Farago, the author, is asking at least one of the right questions, unlike many of the freakin' badgefluffers on this website.

From your link:

The new information does little to change the important question: was Officer Wilson in imminent danger of death or grievous bodily harm when he shot Michael Brown – when the Officer was outside his vehicle.

What Farago got wrong, just like Nick did, is that this isn't "new information." Bummer for you guys, but Johnson just got caught.......telling the truth just minutes or hours after the shooting.

Blues

 

[ET]

Can you really rely on people who are so morally and ethically anemic ( people who will in the next night , rob, loot, burn, their own community members places of business.. those merchants did nothing to Michael brown. so why would this community of thugs be considered credible witness, since they are part of the decay of this community.. Silly arguments from a silly man who is blind to the decay of our society at the hands of the lawless... of which Michael brown was a part.. just another thug is a town full of thugs.. I've seen many eye witness reports ( lies ) that were no where near the truth when videoed from different perspective and only proved that these people will lie to defend their pathetic agenda... the political correctness is allowing these people to further their agenda in getting over... A guy like Al Sharpton is just a man who like to fuel the fires of the media for his own gain... a guy lie Al Sharpton, is 180 degrees away from a man like Martin Luther King.. Al Sharpton spits on Martin Luther Kings grave with his effort to separate the African American culture from that of the rest of the American culture.. Al Sharpton has No respect for Martin Luther king and eith does the community of Ferguson.. they don't respect him nor do they respect themselves.

 

[XD40scinNC]

That changes nothing in my post about the mindset of the thug that just committed a strong arm robbery just minutes earlier.

 

[Nick Burkhardt]

Dorian Johnson withheld details and lied to protect his friend, he was hiding part of the time and did not see everything from first contact to death. DNA and forensics tell more, but still not all of the story. Sounds like Michael Brown just did not know when to quit.


The convenience store video and stills rebut the assertion that Brown was a gentle giant since he acted more like a strong arm thug.

 

[BluesStringer]

Can you really rely on people who are so morally and ethically anemic ( people who will in the next night , rob, loot, burn, their own community members places of business.. those merchants did nothing to Michael brown. so why would this community of thugs be considered credible witness, since they are part of the decay of this community.. Silly arguments from a silly man who is blind to the decay of our society at the hands of the lawless... of which Michael brown was a part.. just another thug is a town full of thugs.. I've seen many eye witness reports ( lies ) that were no where near the truth when videoed from different perspective and only proved that these people will lie to defend their pathetic agenda... the political correctness is allowing these people to further their agenda in getting over... A guy like Al Sharpton is just a man who like to fuel the fires of the media for his own gain... a guy lie Al Sharpton, is 180 degrees away from a man like Martin Luther King.. Al Sharpton spits on Martin Luther Kings grave with his effort to separate the African American culture from that of the rest of the American culture.. Al Sharpton has No respect for Martin Luther king and eith does the community of Ferguson.. they don't respect him nor do they respect themselves.

So I guess the two white guys who don't live in Ferguson and didn't participate in any riots (which I have seen exactly zero evidence that Johnson did either) and spontaneously reacted by gesturing Brown's final position with his hands up saying, "OK, OK, OK!" until the final two shots to the head were delivered, are lying too?

Scrutinizing the available evidence objectively, and subjectively spewing your bigoted rants are two completely different kettles of fish. One belongs in civil discussion, the other doesn't.

You don't appear to care about truth or justice at all, and your social scholarship, such as it (woefully) is, sounds like it was attained in the 1940's and 50's. I'm surprised you don't choke on King's name.

I find Dorian Johnson to be infinitely more credible than an anonymous poster on the internet spewing the same story from an anonymous caller to a radio talk show that was spoon-fed that story by the cop who all the eye-witnesses, including Johnson, say murdered Michael Brown. You? Not so much. You soak up anonymous sources and draw hard and fast conclusions from them, and then call people "silly" and "blind" because they hold out for something more reliable.

By the way, cops lie too. Most of them are masters of lying, being able to beat lie detector tests because they're trained to lie and not get caught. That you believe the anonymous recounting of a third-party non-witness-to-anything whose story came directly from a trained-to-lie cop says a helluva lot more about you than it does about me because I am willing to consider eye-witness testimony until it's proven to be false.

You really come off as a rather despicable human being.

Blues

 

[XD40scinNC]

And because they are white and don't live in Ferguson, they are automatically expert witnesses and they have no bias against cops? Perhaps they are as rabid a cop hater as you seem to be.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Does the old fool have any information that states the eye witnesses are the same people looting?

Maybe, the old fool and xd have so much polish in their eye from fluffing badges they can't see anything on the other side of the blue line.

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[BluesStringer]

And because they are white and don't live in Ferguson, they are automatically expert witnesses and they have no bias against cops? Perhaps they are as rabid a cop hater as you seem to be.

No one, including I, said that the two white guys are "expert" witnesses. They're simply witnesses caught seconds after the shooting on video giving spontaneous utterances of what they had just seen.

Thanks for confirming what I said earlier in reference to Johnson's account of events; it's a bummer for you guys ("you guys" meaning the badgefluffers of USA Carry) that eye-witness accounts immediately after the shooting are now being verified as accurate and true. The problem is, you badgefluffers are presenting it as "new information" when all you had to do was listen to the witnesses in the early minutes/hours/days of the investigation. You should really do just a tiny bit of homework on the "spontaneous utterances" doctrine that, in the law, assumes the credibility of statements made in close time-proximity to a given event when the person making it is not thinking about being a witness or being exposed to any other legal implications, they're simply spontaneously reacting to input received through their human senses.

To assume those two (actually three, as the voice from off-camera verifies) men were all cop-haters is neither consistent with human nature nor law.

Quit being a moron. Oh, wait, that's your nature so you can't quit. Sorry.

Blues

 

[XD40scinNC]

No one, including I, said that the two white guys are "expert" witnesses. They're simply witnesses caught seconds after the shooting on video giving spontaneous utterances of what they had just seen.

Thanks for confirming what I said earlier in reference to Johnson's account of events; it's a bummer for you guys ("you guys" meaning the badgefluffers of USA Carry) that eye-witness accounts immediately after the shooting are now being verified as accurate and true. The problem is, you badgefluffers are presenting it as "new information" when all you had to do was listen to the witnesses in the early minutes/hours/days of the investigation. You should really do just a tiny bit of homework on the "spontaneous utterances" doctrine that, in the law, assumes the credibility of statements made in close time-proximity to a given event when the person making it is not thinking about being a witness or being exposed to any other legal implications, they're simply spontaneously reacting to input received through their human senses.

To assume those two (actually three, as the voice from off-camera verifies) men were all cop-haters is neither consistent with human nature nor law.

Quit being a moron. Oh, wait, that's your nature so you can't quit. Sorry.

Blues

But you also don't know if they are anti-cop, have had run in's with cops, have been arrested, whether it be justified or not. You speculate about many things, but when someone else offers an alternative to your speculation, full on attack mode seasoned with insults and school yard taunts.

You obviously have a strong bias against cops, and given that I would expect you would react much the same if you had been a witness, regardless of what was actually happening. The expectation is already in your mind when you see the badge.

But you will always play the insult card as your closing. Are your that short on reason and desperate to be right that you think that name calling and insults make your look intelligent or makes you right? You should think again, for it just demonstrates your lack of reason and your desperation.

But on the positive side, at least you do attempt to defend your position before resorting to insults, unlike Ringo, who never managed to rise above the taunts and insults of what ever issues he suffers from.

Now what insult will be your response?

 

[BC1]

So I guess the two white guys who don't live in Ferguson and didn't participate in any riots (which I have seen exactly zero evidence that Johnson did either) and spontaneously reacted by gesturing Brown's final position with his hands up saying, "OK, OK, OK!" until the final two shots to the head were delivered, are lying too?

Scrutinizing the available evidence objectively, and subjectively spewing your bigoted rants are two completely different kettles of fish. One belongs in civil discussion, the other doesn't.

You don't appear to care about truth or justice at all, and your social scholarship, such as it (woefully) is, sounds like it was attained in the 1940's and 50's. I'm surprised you don't choke on King's name.

I find Dorian Johnson to be infinitely more credible than an anonymous poster on the internet spewing the same story from an anonymous caller to a radio talk show that was spoon-fed that story by the cop who all the eye-witnesses, including Johnson, say murdered Michael Brown. You? Not so much. You soak up anonymous sources and draw hard and fast conclusions from them, and then call people "silly" and "blind" because they hold out for something more reliable.

By the way, cops lie too. Most of them are masters of lying, being able to beat lie detector tests because they're trained to lie and not get caught. That you believe the anonymous recounting of a third-party non-witness-to-anything whose story came directly from a trained-to-lie cop says a helluva lot more about you than it does about me because I am willing to consider eye-witness testimony until it's proven to be false.

You really come off as a rather despicable human being.

Blues

I always wondered why it is that just because a women is a prostitute she has to have bad eyesight.

 

[BluesStringer]

But you also don't know if they are anti-cop, have had run in's with cops, have been arrested, whether it be justified or not.

The possibility that any or all of them are anti-cop exists. I don't dispute that. Like all witnesses though, including Wilson himself, or the witnesses supporting his side at least, that is a question left to a jury of a defendant's peers under the Constitution. Without a panel of triers of fact, no facts will ever emerge from an event where an agent of the state killed an unarmed man in the presence of eye-witnesses who all call into question the legal justification for that killing. A sworn jury is obligated to objectively consider the credibility of all the evidence that a judge allows in. They can't assume that witnesses are anti or pro-anything without at least seeing or hearing evidence that tends to establish the assertion as credible. Otherwise, spontaneous utterances are so widely-accepted by the judiciary that they are even exempt from the hearsay exclusion rules in many instances. Those two guys in the video I posted are about as spontaneous as any spontaneous utterance has ever been, happening only seconds after the shooting. If the unidentified voice has been identified and questioned by investigators, then that makes three spontaneous utterances that would presumably be allowed in, and only a jury, with the benefit of evidence tending to establish bias, can scrutinize such conjecture as to its credibility. Your conjecture is completely meaningless except to establish your bias either for cops or against black folk or both.

You speculate about many things, but when someone else offers an alternative to your speculation, full on attack mode seasoned with insults and school yard taunts.

1) You have no moral standing to b!tch about school yard taunts or insulting banter. A quick perusal of your "participation" in this thread would confirm that for anyone not already informed of your irrationally obsessive and trollish behavior towards a small group of posters on this site.

2) More to the point though, I haven't speculated about a damned thing. I've read and listened to every bit of evidence I can find to scrutinize and evaluate the legal issues involved in the case that this thread is about. Posting witness accounts of what happened that day doesn't make me a "cop-hater" just because all the witness accounts go against the cops' "official" story. It makes me objective. It means I don't look at outward appearances or the race of the people giving the accounts to determine their credibility, I put them all together and look for consistency amongst them. And guess what? Like I said earlier, no less than six eye-witnesses say basically the same thing about the end of the incident; Brown was not charging, not threatening, five say his hands were up and one says his hands were wrapped around his torso as he was falling, and Wilson fired the two shots that either one could've been the kill-shot while all of those circumstances were true and happening right in front of him.

That's not conjecture, that's listening with an open mind and applying some thought and scrutiny before drawing any hard and fast conclusions, which, I defy you to show me where I've drawn any conclusions about this case except one - that being, that I believe these witnesses have established probable cause to bring this case to trial and let a jury decide. That's the only conclusion about this case specifically that I have drawn.

You obviously have a strong bias against cops

I have a strong bias against you too, based entirely on your posting history here, just like my bias against cops is based on their actions and unconstitutional powers granted them by a run-amok government that hasn't been of, by and for The People since shortly after the ink was dry on the Constitution. I'm biased against all statists, whether they're working for the state or just licking the scrota of those who do, because statists think themselves superior to all except those who do lick their scrota, metaphorically-speaking of course.

and given that I would expect you would react much the same if you had been a witness, regardless of what was actually happening. The expectation is already in your mind when you see the badge.

So as you decry my biases, you assert your own towards me? I'm not offended. I'm actually grateful that you provided this opportunity to reaffirm my belief that you're a hypocrite and a moron, having only scrutinized the available evidence of course. I'm perfectly open to considering any new evidence that might come to light, but for now, hypocrite and moron it is.

....blah blah....insult card....blah blah....short on reason....blah blah....desperate....blah blah blah friggin' blah....

....blah blah....insult Ringo....blah blah....deflection into unrelated topics and personality conflicts....blah blah blah friggin' blah....

Now what insult will be your response?

You insult yourself nearly every time you post. I just point it out and call it what it is - moronic. There's a real easy way to avoid having me do that. Can you apply your "long-on-reason" thoughts on what that might be?

Blues

 

[XD40scinNC]

Now what insult will be your response?

You insult yourself nearly every time you post. I just point it out and call it what it is - moronic.

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They are so proud of how you represent christianity that they are speechless.

 

[BluesStringer]

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They are so proud of how you represent christianity that they are speechless.

I represent myself in my opinions and speech. I represent my Christianity through my actions and the way I lead my life. As long as I always tell the truth, the way I represent myself is never in conflict with how I represent my faith.

BTW, I'm not Catholic, but even if I were, I'd say the same things to the Pope if they were true, as I have said to you. Truth can be hard both to say and to accept, but it can never be a sin in either the saying or the acceptance.

And thanks for coming through with exactly the kind of hypocritical and moronic twaddle that exemplifies why I linked to the other thread to demonstrate to newbs that those weren't just made-up accusations - the committed atheist has to resort to religious icons in an attempt to insult a faithful follower of Christ. Oh, but your intentions are not to insult and only mine or Chen's or Ringo's are, right? Hypocrite and moron it remains then.

Blues

 

[ET]

I represent myself in my opinions and speech. I represent my Christianity through my actions and the way I lead my life. As long as I always tell the truth, the way I represent myself is never in conflict with how I represent my faith.

BTW, I'm not Catholic, but even if I were, I'd say the same things to the Pope if they were true, as I have said to you. Truth can be hard both to say and to accept, but it can never be a sin in either the saying or the acceptance.

And thanks for coming through with exactly the kind of hypocritical and moronic twaddle that exemplifies why I linked to the other thread to demonstrate to newbs that those weren't just made-up accusations - the committed atheist has to resort to religious icons in an attempt to insult a faithful follower of Christ. Oh, but your intentions are not to insult and only mine or Chen's or Ringo's are, right? Hypocrite and moron it remains then.

Blues

Another useless waste of bandwidth , who does a disservice to this forum... Ferguson is another lawless town... people here are pissed off at the cops because cops in general keep thugs from being thugs... Michael Brown was a thug and only other thugs would want to try to suppress cops who wont allow their community to be run by thugs... thugs....are [people who use any means to further their lawlessness...the death of MB only allowed people in Ferguson to do what they do best... be thugs... the people interviewed where friends Of MB and of the same low caliber, so I expect by the laws of Physics that water seeks its own level... Rather than arguing with another Thug.. Ill just put you on ignore... stupidity, and support for the element found in Ferguson or IN Watts or in Alabama, georgia New York or in Philly... are typical of this culture.. this will never stop as long as these people are born stupid... the whole world sees what going on... Even Real Africans Hate American blacks because of what they represent... IN America, Blacks have 8 times the HIV infection rate of any other ethnicity.. source is the CDC ( center for disease control.. ) Any humanity who will rob and steal and burn their own neighbors is hardly a community to respect...
or La where blacks have found an excuse to riot, rob and burn... Cops are not going to go away, but one by one the thugs of this world will, of which there seems to be a lot.. just look at the prison population...tomorrow if there was none of these people, the world would be a much better place. if the Michael Browns of the world were no longer here, the world will be better.. ask yourself one question.. was Michael Brown an asset to the world?? Hell no .. he was a thug.. you cant dismiss the fact that he intimidated and robbed a local merchant, you cant dismiss the fact that his mother said Michael had some problems with the law, a little robbery and a little drugs.. but then all Kids do that... and Ill say again.... No they don't... congrats you made my ignore list.

 

[XD40scinNC]

I represent myself in my opinions and speech. I represent my Christianity through my actions and the way I lead my life. As long as I always tell the truth, the way I represent myself is never in conflict with how I represent my faith.

BTW, I'm not Catholic, but even if I were, I'd say the same things to the Pope if they were true, as I have said to you. Truth can be hard both to say and to accept, but it can never be a sin in either the saying or the acceptance.

And thanks for coming through with exactly the kind of hypocritical and moronic twaddle that exemplifies why I linked to the other thread to demonstrate to newbs that those weren't just made-up accusations - the committed atheist has to resort to religious icons in an attempt to insult a faithful follower of Christ. Oh, but your intentions are not to insult and only mine or Chen's or Ringo's are, right? Hypocrite and moron it remains then.

Blues

First, words are actions, you can't conveniently separate the two. And you are representing your so called christianity is a very bad light, with your words. Or are you just a part time christian? Nor have I ever accused of being anything but truthful, as you insinuate. Guilty dog barking?

Your demonstrate of hatred is directed at only a few individuals, primarily me, while my views are against religion, all religions. That causes you to hate the individual and being a good christian hypocrite you obviously have no problem in demonstrating. Is that the teaching of your god? I think not. Before your hate blinded you, had I posted the truth about the absurdity of Islam, I'd have a string of likes from you and a few others.

And if nothing else, you are consistent, still operating under the delusion that ending your position with a personal attack or insult in anyway validates your views. Too bad it is just an indicator of how desperate you have become.

 

[BluesStringer]

Another useless waste of bandwidth , who does a disservice to this forum...

As of this writing, I have 5,020 posts and just six "Likes" shy of 10,000. With nearly a 2-to-1 ratio of Likes to posts, obviously, the overwhelming majority of members here don't agree with your truly vapid evaluation of my "usefulness" or "service" to this forum. Nor do I.

If you truly do ignore me from now on, that's fine, but you obviously have no self-control or ability to filter your knee-jerk angst towards anybody who differs with you, so don't expect me to be silent about your hate-filled drivel just because you can't express a differing opinion without unmitigated racist rants and galling assumptions about people of whom you know zero. Good luck keeping your word to ignore me. I intend to make it difficult for you, and if your short history here is any indicator, your knee will eventually jerk you right into the ban-zone in short order. And on this forum, you really have to be a major league putz for people to start looking forward to that day within just days of your arrival.

Blues

 

[XD40scinNC]

As of this writing, I have 5,020 posts and just six "Likes" shy of 10,000. With nearly a 2-to-1 ratio of Likes to posts, obviously, the overwhelming majority of members here don't agree with your truly vapid evaluation of my "usefulness" or "service" to this forum. Nor do I.

Not a majority of members, as 80 - 90% of those likes are probably from the other click members of Ringo and FFchen as primaries, follow up Farmhood, gunner, Eidolon and a couple of others. Less than probably 15 - 20 different people providing 99%. Not a 'majority' of members when there are over 50,000 registered users on this foum. In this thread you and FF seem to be locked in a mutual "reach around".

 

[BluesStringer]

Not a majority of members, as 80 - 90% of those likes are probably from the other click members of Ringo and FFchen as primaries, follow up Farmhood, gunner, Eidolon and a couple of others. Less than probably 15 - 20 different people providing 99%. Not a 'majority' of members when there are over 50,000 registered users on this foum. In this thread you and FF seem to be locked in a mutual "reach around".

This thread was more less about Michael Brown, Darren Wilson, the incident and subsequent riots until you and E-T showed up, in your case with your normal penchant for mockery and insulting of folks not even participating in the thread.

Got anything but blind bigotry to offer concerning the events in Ferguson, MO from August 9th up to present? Didn't think so.

Blues

 

[Firefighterchen]

XD the troll that will never stay on topic.

ET the recluse troll that attempted to come out from under the bridge..and has failed again.

Miserable souls. No one likes their posts...can't handle others who do get posts liked. Reminds me of the kids in school that were never good at anything so they tried to bring down others...now their older and they can't cope with their worthlessness.

The United States is going down hill...and it's no wonder when xd and et act like the looters they despise so much...maybe it's because they see those looters every morning in the mirror.

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[XD40scinNC]

Got anything but blind bigotry to offer concerning the events in Ferguson, MO from August 9th up to present? Didn't think so.

WOW, that's rich, the bigot just accused me of bigotry. As far as the events in MO, I have described what is evident (MB had just committed a felony), the cop didn't know that, but Brown did.

I have also questioned what we don't know, how the witnesses feel toward cops in general.

If I have any bias, it is against making assumptions and jumping to conclusions, and it sounds like you have done just that, and the cop was wrong. Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't, but you nor I or any member of the public have the information needed to make that call, and that has been my point.