Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

[ET]

You need to be around here more than 35 posts to start disrespecting people. Especially some well respected contributors. The regulars will eventually beat you down in you in support of our friends.

First of all I did not start this.. and beat me down???? what a laugh.. this is an internet forum... its not anything of significant importance.. your threats fall on deaf ears... if you call that Piece of work a respected member then IM guess you are as immature as he is... 5000 post doesn't make a respected member.. especially when half of his poste are directed to belittling New members.. Seems that you hold some value to this forum and the quality of immature members found here...that's a shame that this is all you have....I came here to see just what the reviews of gun forum have to say about this forum,, they called it a boys club, and so far you have proven the reviews to be correct.... Bill

 

[Firefighterchen]

What truth??? the truth is you have 5000 posts.... I have 30.... Your retort just shows how hard you are swinging in the air and connecting with nothing..,. BTW when it come to a battle of the minds, you come to the battlefield completely unarmed... OH and BTW, congratulations.. I've viewed a number of your confrontational posts, and realize you are a waste of bandwidth to me and to this forum... ( look it up ) I doubt you know what it is... in any case you made my ignore list, so no need to offer a rebuttal.. I wont see it... I see you as a pimple faced kid with a palm full of Vaseline...an insignificant waste of humanity...
with all my love
Bill

Aww the ignore list so quickly, standard move for a recluse who can't handle the world. I'm fine with that, one less "kinetic shock" victim I have to deal with, and everyone else who really matters will still get a rebuttal of truth following your lies. You have defined yourself perfectly when it comes to the truth, "don't depend on shot placement." No matter how big the lie, if you can't aim, you will miss your target. Old fool.

First of all I did not start this.. Bill

Old people with their failing memories...post 390 started this, when you decided to attack me for responding to axe. I hadn't responded to you before that...ever. Old fool.


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[Farmhood]

First of all I did not start this.. and beat me down???? what a laugh.. this is an internet forum... its not anything of significant importance.. your threats fall on deaf ears... if you call that Piece of work a respected member then IM guess you are as immature as he is... 5000 post doesn't make a respected member.. especially when half of his poste are directed to belittling New members.. Seems that you hold some value to this forum and the quality of immature members found here...that's a shame that this is all you have....I came here to see just what the reviews of gun forum have to say about this forum,, they called it a boys club, and so far you have proven the reviews to be correct.... Bill

Vaseline....boys club and waste of humanity. You are scary! Why all the hate?

sinful nature is always hostile to God....

 

[Farmhood]

We, the people of the State of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and promote our common welfare, do establish this Constitution

sinful nature is always hostile to God....

 

[BluesStringer]

Aww the ignore list so quickly, standard move for a recluse who can't handle the world. I'm fine with that, one less "kinetic shock" victim I have to deal with, and everyone else who really matters will still get a rebuttal of truth following your lies. You have defined yourself perfectly when it comes to the truth, "don't depend on shot placement." No matter how big the lie, if you can't aim, you will miss your target. Old fool.

First of all I did not start this.

Old people with their failing memories...post 390 started this, when you decided to attack me for responding to axe. I hadn't responded to you before that...ever. Old fool.

Thought the old fool should see that. LOL

(That's from one old fool to another E-T, so don't get your panties in a bunch.)

Blues

 

[Bikenut]

What truth??? the truth is you have 5000 posts.... I have 30.... Your retort just shows how hard you are swinging in the air and connecting with nothing..,. BTW when it come to a battle of the minds, you come to the battlefield completely unarmed... OH and BTW, congratulations.. I've viewed a number of your confrontational posts, and realize you are a waste of bandwidth to me and to this forum... ( look it up ) I doubt you know what it is... in any case you made my ignore list, so no need to offer a rebuttal.. I wont see it... I see you as a pimple faced kid with a palm full of Vaseline...an insignificant waste of humanity...
with all my love
Bill

First of all I did not start this.. and beat me down???? what a laugh.. this is an internet forum... its not anything of significant importance.. your threats fall on deaf ears... if you call that Piece of work a respected member then IM guess you are as immature as he is... 5000 post doesn't make a respected member.. especially when half of his poste are directed to belittling New members.. Seems that you hold some value to this forum and the quality of immature members found here...that's a shame that this is all you have....I came here to see just what the reviews of gun forum have to say about this forum,, they called it a boys club, and so far you have proven the reviews to be correct.... Bill

What is needed is a place to go where posters can be reviewed......

 

[Firefighterchen]

Thought the old fool should see that. LOL

(That's from one old fool to another E-T, so don't get your panties in a bunch.)

Blues

I knew one of you would pull through for me.

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[BC1]

First of all I did not start this.. and beat me down???? what a laugh.. this is an internet forum... its not anything of significant importance.. your threats fall on deaf ears... if you call that Piece of work a respected member then IM guess you are as immature as he is... 5000 post doesn't make a respected member.. especially when half of his poste are directed to belittling New members.. Seems that you hold some value to this forum and the quality of immature members found here...that's a shame that this is all you have....I came here to see just what the reviews of gun forum have to say about this forum,, they called it a boys club, and so far you have proven the reviews to be correct.... Bill

It's not a threat. It's the reality of all forums. Start hassling people and they'll make you the joke. Get real. You're new. Good posters take it easy with name calling and insults. It detracts from any real point. It causes others to stop reading part-way through the post. Then people just simply begin to make the insulter the but of a joke... hundreds of times. If you're here to discuss topics great. If you're here to insult and name call you'll become the target of jokes. If this internet forum is nothing of significant importance then you have chosen to spend you time arguing with people and topics that are of no significance. I think that's called a waste of time.

 

[Rhino]

It is quite enlightening to me how many so-called "pro-gun-rights" people there are that actually FIGHT FOR GUN FREE ZONES...... and belittle anyone who ignores them and carries anyway.

It is quite enlightening to me how many so-called "pro-gun-rights" people there are that actually fight to deny the rights of others...... and belittle anyone who ignores them and upholds the law.

 

[Rhino]

First of all I did not start this.. and beat me down???? what a laugh.. this is an internet forum... its not anything of significant importance.. your threats fall on deaf ears... if you call that Piece of work a respected member then IM guess you are as immature as he is... 5000 post doesn't make a respected member.. especially when half of his poste are directed to belittling New members.. Seems that you hold some value to this forum and the quality of immature members found here...that's a shame that this is all you have....I came here to see just what the reviews of gun forum have to say about this forum,, they called it a boys club, and so far you have proven the reviews to be correct.... Bill

You might want to rethink who's sounding immature here. You aren't exactly on the moral high ground as far as that topic is concerned.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Double post.

 

[cowgrllost]

I'll be honest, I didn't read all 42 pages of responses, but by reading the responses I did, I seem to be in the minority. The only places I do not carry are places with metal detectors and places that it is illegal to carry a firearm such as federal buildings, the post office, the bank, etc. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but I'd rather be fined or put in jail than have myself or one of my family members dead.

 

[Bikenut]

I'll be honest, I didn't read all 42 pages of responses, but by reading the responses I did, I seem to be in the minority. The only places I do not carry are places with metal detectors and places that it is illegal to carry a firearm such as federal buildings, the post office, the bank, etc. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but I'd rather be fined or put in jail than have myself or one of my family members dead.

Thank you for your honesty.... please understand the following questions are not intended to be insulting but are offered as food for thought....

Have you considered that by putting convenience above principle by shopping at a store that bans guns you are helping them make enough profit to open another store where they will ban guns too? And that you will be protecting yourself and your loved ones if you don't shop at a store that invites criminals with a gun ban?

And have you considered that it is hypocritical to want the right to bear arms be respected while disrespecting the store owner's property right to ban guns?

And one last consideration... do you realize that carrying a gun into a store that bans guns can be illegal because it violates trespass law (in some States whether you get caught... like asked to leave... or not.... check your local and State laws)?

 

[Axeanda45]

Have you considered that some dont care about others RULES (because doing so in no way shape or form could possibly infringe on the other person RIGHTS) and shop however they wish to, WHEREVER they wish to, and do not in the slightest agree that doing so "supports" their anti-gun agenda? (if it "supported" their anti-gun agenda, the "rule breaker" wouldnt go in armed)

 

[BluesStringer]

Have you considered that some dont care about others RULES (because doing so in no way shape or form could possibly infringe on the other person RIGHTS) and shop however they wish to, WHEREVER they wish to, and do not in the slightest agree that doing so "supports" their anti-gun agenda?

I'm not asking because I haven't sometimes gone ahead and shopped at stores that are known for their anti-gun agendas for convenience's sake, but just as an honest question: How can you spend money at an anti-gun establishment and not be supporting their anti-gun agenda? Spending money with a business helps support anything and everything they do, whether good or bad. With a minimum of 50 million people (probably closer to 75 or 80 million) in the United States owning guns, how long would a business survive if we all stuck together and quit patronizing the ones with anti-gun agendas? And if the answer is that they wouldn't survive long (which it is), then how many of those businesses would continue to promote their anti-gun agendas?

In all instances, spending money is a form of support for whomever or whichever business one spends the money with.

Blues

 

[Axeanda45]

I'm not asking because I haven't sometimes gone ahead and shopped at stores that are known for their anti-gun agendas for convenience's sake (although I make a point not to do it anymore), but just as an honest question: How can you spend money at an anti-gun establishment and not be supporting their anti-gun agenda? Spending money with a business helps support anything and everything they do, whether good or bad. With a minimum of 50 million people (probably closer to 75 or 80 million) in the United States owning guns, how long would a business survive if we all stuck together and quit patronizing the ones with anti-gun agendas? And if the answer is that they wouldn't survive long (which it is), then how many of those businesses would continue to promote their anti-gun agendas?

In all instances, spending money is a form of support for whomever or whichever business one spends the money with.

Blues

Blues, I know you are so much smarter than this.... Do you actually think that a store is going to miss one or two shoppers a week? Because that is all you could hope for if EVERYONE who felt as strong as you do about this subject refused to shop someplace.... Your "activism/boycotting" doesnt hurt them in the least... All you are doing is spending more yourself on fuel and time and accomplishing nothing other than to stroke your own ego that you "did something".... I, on the other hand, when I need to purchase something, I go and do it at the place that is cheapest and closest, and I do NOT endanger my life (going disarmed to protest or comply) while doing so....

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by BluesStringer View Post
I'm not asking because I haven't sometimes gone ahead and shopped at stores that are known for their anti-gun agendas for convenience's sake (although I make a point not to do it anymore), but just as an honest question: How can you spend money at an anti-gun establishment and not be supporting their anti-gun agenda? Spending money with a business helps support anything and everything they do, whether good or bad. With a minimum of 50 million people (probably closer to 75 or 80 million) in the United States owning guns, how long would a business survive if we all stuck together and quit patronizing the ones with anti-gun agendas? And if the answer is that they wouldn't survive long (which it is), then how many of those businesses would continue to promote their anti-gun agendas?

In all instances, spending money is a form of support for whomever or whichever business one spends the money with.

Blues

Blues, I know you are so much smarter than this.... Do you actually think that a store is going to miss one or two shoppers a week? Because that is all you could hope for if EVERYONE who felt as strong as you do about this subject refused to shop someplace.... Your "activism/boycotting" doesnt hurt them in the least... All you are doing is spending more yourself on fuel and time and accomplishing nothing other than to stroke your own ego that you "did something".... I, on the other hand, when I need to purchase something, I go and do it at the place that is cheapest and closest, and I do NOT endanger my life (going disarmed to protest or comply) while doing so....

Axe... the attitude of convenience over principle is exactly why we cannot get all gun owners/carriers to wield their economic power by standing together. Imagine if ALL gun owners/carriers boycotted their local anti gun businesses.... it might only be 2 shoppers per week per store but large chains would feel the difference because 2 shoppers per week per store over the entire country would add up. And all stores, both Mom&Pop and large chains would take notice if gun owner's/carriers actually got off their arses and sent letters/made phone calls to Mom&Pop and/or corporate headquarters.... and made those contacts often instead of one time bitching.

But sadly it's easier for many folks to soothe their conscience with mental masturbatory excuses that contributing to the anti gun agenda by spending money at anti gun stores is OK because it is convenient to shop there.... and then complain that the anti gunners are banning guns in their stores.

Edited to add:
And if ALL gun owners/carriers were to boycott anti gun businesses it would not only affect businesses banning guns it would also be a death blow to the anti gun agenda because politicians would take notice of the might and power of.... the pro gun boycott that could easily become the pro gun vote.

 

[golddigger14s]

I'll be honest, I didn't read all 42 pages of responses, but by reading the responses I did, I seem to be in the minority. The only places I do not carry are places with metal detectors and places that it is illegal to carry a firearm such as federal buildings, the post office, the bank, etc. Maybe I'm wrong in that, but I'd rather be fined or put in jail than have myself or one of my family members dead.

BTW, I'm not familiar with PA laws. Do they prevent carry in banks? I carry OC in mine (Wells Fargo, and Chase) in WA. They are not federal buildings. Your money is backed by the feds, but the bldgs are private property. My bank has a sign that says "no hoodies, ball caps, or sunglasses". They welcome me, and my gun.

 

[Axeanda45]

But sadly it's easier for many folks to soothe their conscience with mental masturbatory excuses that contributing to the anti gun agenda by spending money at anti gun stores is OK because it is convenient to shop there.... and then complain that the anti gunners are banning guns in their stores.

Here, I fixed it for you to show you the same argument from the other side:

But sadly it's easier for many folks to soothe their conscience with mental masturbatory (project much?) excuses that NOT contributing to the anti gun agenda by NOT spending money at anti gun stores is OK even if it is convenient to shop there.... and then complain that the anti gunners have no clue there are guns in their stores.


You talked of principle in the full post, I CARRY INTO "no gun zones" BECAUSE OF PRINCIPLE..... I do NOT ALLOW others to dictate when and where I am armed.... It is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS.... By carrying into their "business" without them knowing, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOT INFRINGED ON THEIR RIGHTS IN ANY WAY, heck, they dont even know I am armed! They are just as happy to take my money as the guy behind me who thinks the owners RULES are more important than their own life.... and comes in unarmed, leaving his gun out in the car or whatever... or staying home pouting because the mean store owner doesnt like guns, so I am going to PUNISH him by not shopping there, yeh, that'll teach him a BIG LESSON.... what utter nonsense.

 

[BluesStringer]

Blues, I know you are so much smarter than this.... Do you actually think that a store is going to miss one or two shoppers a week? Because that is all you could hope for if EVERYONE who felt as strong as you do about this subject refused to shop someplace.... Your "activism/boycotting" doesnt hurt them in the least... All you are doing is spending more yourself on fuel and time and accomplishing nothing other than to stroke your own ego that you "did something"....

Axe, I live WAAaaaayyy out in the country. I have to drive minimum 20 miles to get to a major grocery store, home improvement store, clothing stores - whatever. While I don't plan my in-town itinerary around places that are OK with my OC'ed gun, I could and would easily make an adjustment if one of them tells me I'm not welcome there with it showing. What exactly that has to do with my "ego" I have no earthly clue. I am wielding what little economic power I posses, and it is wielded whether they take notice of it or not, which, I concede, TPTB within the corporations making the anti-gun policies, probably never will take notice. But to my way of thinking, the reason they won't is because the minimum 49,999,999 other of my fellow gun-owners refuse to wield their economic power alongside me. If they did, and policies began to change, it might make sense to say the effort was a collective ego stroker, but for me individually it's nothing more or less than refusing to go where they said I had to cut my hair before entering or any other outwardly apparent circumstance I might present myself with that they object to for whatever shithouse reason of their choosing. Wielding my (extremely) limited and insignificant (to anyone but me) economic power is not a shithouse reason to decide to, or not to, patronize a given store. However, trying to pass it off as ego-driven for others as an excuse for your own refusal to wield your own power is indeed a shithouse excuse.

I, on the other hand, when I need to purchase something, I go and do it at the place that is cheapest and closest, and I do NOT endanger my life (going disarmed to protest or comply) while doing so....

Thanks for the support......oh....wait.....nevermind.

Blues