Your ENTIRE premise/side/argument is FLAWED on its foundation.... You think that someones rules somehow equal the same thing as his rights... UNTIL you come to grips with reality, you are arguing from a losing position from the start.....
No, you're missing reality entirely by assuming rights can't exist with rules attached. You're making the mistake of believing property rights are not rights at all because someone establishes rules that others have to abide by in order to participate in activities or to be in places that he is allowing under his RIGHTS as a property owner. He isn't denying your right to carry a gun. He's just exercising his property rights when he says he doesn't want you carrying it on his property. Nobody denies your right to have sex, but they'd surely have something to say if you did it with their wife. And no, I'm not comparing gun rights with adultery. I'm demonstrating that rights do indeed have limits, and property owners most definitely have the right to set rules for people who come onto their property. Those who don't wish to follow those rules simply don't go there. I mean, just think about it for a minute, even using the Bill of Rights.
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Amendment 1 - You've got freedom of speech, but can you stand up in a church on Sunday and start reciting George Carlin's monologue about the seven dirty words without there being a negative consequence? Don't you think they'd make you leave?
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Amendment 2 - We all know this one. We've got the right to bear arms. But what would happen if you showed up at the front door of the gold repository at Fort Knox with your trusty sidearm? Or maybe even your favorite rifle? Do you think your rights would b e trampled if they had a problem with you being there? After all, they're just rules, right? And we know how rules are meaningless when it comes to your rights.
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Still think that rights can't exist if rules are attached? I could go on and on, but you've had us doing more than enough of that already. Business owners have property rights, and establishing rules associated with those rights does not in any way abrogate or diminish them, unless they deliberately and expressly do so in those rules. Your rights do not nullify the rights of others, and their rights do not disappear just because they don't see you violating them.
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I agree with you that a concealed firearm most likely isn't going to hurt him. I'll even agree that is has an astronomically better chance of saving his life than it ever would of causing him harm. But none of that nullifies or strips him of his rights. He may be a complete and total idiot for banning firearms, but that doesn't nullify his rights. If our rights were so easily nullified the anti-gunners would have taken away our gun rights a long time ago. Rules and rights do coexist. Having rules does not in any way mean that rights don't exist or that a right has been nullified. We've all heard the old saying about yelling fire in a crowded theater, but it's an old story for a very good reason. It demonstrates that rights are not necessarily unlimited, that they can be constrained by rules and that the expression or exercise of one right cannot be used in such a fashion that it tramples the rights of others. And in this case, just because you don't like those others doesn't make any difference. The moron who bans guns still has the same rights that other people have, and that includes setting the conditions for access to his property. Those rights are the foundation of this argument all along, and the reality is that property owners still have those rights whether you agree with them or not, and our 2nd amendment rights don't just suddenly make his property rights disappear, whether he knows the gun is there or not. And all of that just takes us back to the original question of the thread, whether you still carry into such places or not. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you do. I hope you never get caught and end up going to court over it. But if you do, please dear God don't take the stand in your own defense!
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You know, if you want to keep going down this illusory path you've chosen, you can be my guest. But you might want to quit making statements about arguments with flawed foundations and getting a grip on reality, because frankly my friend, it isn't making you look good.