Do you still conceal carry into posted "No Carry" businesses?

[Firefighterchen]

trespassers in your home is far different than trespassers in places where the public is invited into

I'm talking about my company properties, not my homes.

In my home, if they jump over my wall, they may not even get a verbal warning, especially if they enter my home.

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[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by apvbguy View Post
trespassers in your home is far different than trespassers in places where the public is invited into

Both the homeowner and the business owner have the private property right to control who does, and who does not, have permission to be on/in that property. Those who do not have permission to be there are trespassers. Just as a homeowner can invite folks to a costume party and deny entry to any invitee who shows up without a costume so can the business owner invite members of the general public who do not carry guns and deny entry to any invitee who shows up carrying a gun.

And any laws that forbid/restrict/or define who and how.... the property owner of a business from denying entry to any people for any reason are as much an infringement upon the property owner's right to have control of his property as are the laws that require folks to have a permit to carry a gun are an infringement upon the right to bear arms. Both sets of laws are the government infringing upon rights through the use of laws that restrict the ability to exercise those rights.

 

[Aurelius]

what problems? I once had someone call the cops because of an inadvertent exposure of my weapon, NBD, the cops responded, asked me if I was carrying, I said yes, he asked if I had a permit to carry, I said yes and offered to show it to him, he looked at it said thanks and have a nice day. No problems for anyone. You have a lot of ill informed preconceived notions rattling around your head, try gaining some real world experiences before blurting out the nonsense that you've been posting.

If you don't perceive unnecessary contacts with law enforcement as problems, then maybe you have a different interpretation of problem. You seem to have a lot of pent up anger.... Real world experience? No, I don't ever have unnecessary contacts with law enforcement over my carrying habits so I'm gonna have to concede there buddy!

 

[apvbguy]

Both the homeowner and the business owner have the private property right to control who does, and who does not, have permission to be on/in that property. Those who do not have permission to be there are trespassers. Just as a homeowner can invite folks to a costume party and deny entry to any invitee who shows up without a costume so can the business owner invite members of the general public who do not carry guns and deny entry to any invitee who shows up carrying a gun.

And any laws that forbid/restrict/or define who and how.... the property owner of a business from denying entry to any people for any reason are as much an infringement upon the property owner's right to have control of his property as are the laws that require folks to have a permit to carry a gun are an infringement upon the right to bear arms. Both sets of laws are the government infringing upon rights through the use of laws that restrict the ability to exercise those rights.

sorry to tell you, but you are just plain old wrong

 

[apvbguy]

If you don't perceive unnecessary contacts with law enforcement as problems, then maybe you have a different interpretation of problem. You seem to have a lot of pent up anger.... Real world experience? No, I don't ever have unnecessary contacts with law enforcement over my carrying habits so I'm gonna have to concede there buddy!

are you human? do things happen? what makes you believe that I go out of my way to initiate incidents?

do you see the pattern here? you've made another ill informed comment.

please try and have a little insight on a subject you plan on commenting on

 

[apvbguy]

I'm talking about my company properties, not my homes.

In my home, if they jump over my wall, they may not even get a verbal warning, especially if they enter my home.

if you shoot someone who is walking around your property you will be in deep ca-ca and if you owned a shopping center or a store or business that invites the public in you are going to have to ask someone to leave before any further action can be taken

 

[Aurelius]

are you human? do things happen? what makes you believe that I go out of my way to initiate incidents?

do you see the pattern here? you've made another ill informed comment.

please try and have a little insight on a subject you plan on commenting on

Well, I'm certainly not GOD!!! Or I could just be a very dumb monkey who happens to have an IQ just high enough to hold a conversation with you.

 

[Axeanda45]

I don't ask trespassers to leave. I tell them to.

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Heck, YOU tell them not to come on your PROPERTY in the first place....

 

[apvbguy]

Well, I'm certainly not GOD!!! Or I could just be a very dumb monkey who happens to have an IQ just high enough to hold a conversation with you.

since you've been here I've responded to your ill informed comments on three different subjects, maybe you can get obuma to appoint you to be a supreme court justice, you're about as incompetent as his appointees are

 

[Aurelius]

since you've been here I've responded to your ill informed comments on three different subjects, maybe you can get obuma to appoint you to be a supreme court justice, you're about as incompetent as his appointees are

What do you expect? I'm a monkey who is barely smarter than you!!! Lol

 

[cds0699]

Monkeys are pretty cool if you ask me.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
Both the homeowner and the business owner have the private property right to control who does, and who does not, have permission to be on/in that property. Those who do not have permission to be there are trespassers. Just as a homeowner can invite folks to a costume party and deny entry to any invitee who shows up without a costume so can the business owner invite members of the general public who do not carry guns and deny entry to any invitee who shows up carrying a gun.

And any laws that forbid/restrict/or define who and how.... the property owner of a business from denying entry to any people for any reason are as much an infringement upon the property owner's right to have control of his property as are the laws that require folks to have a permit to carry a gun are an infringement upon the right to bear arms. Both sets of laws are the government infringing upon rights through the use of laws that restrict the ability to exercise those rights.

sorry to tell you, but you are just plain old wrong

Please explain where I am wrong?

 

[Firefighterchen]

if you shoot someone who is walking around your property you will be in deep ca-ca and if you owned a shopping center or a store or business that invites the public in you are going to have to ask someone to leave before any further action can be taken

If they are on my property (home) they had to have put an extremely large amount of effort in the first place, enough effort that their intentions would have to be felonious in nature. Someone is unable to just walk onto my property.

At my business, I don't ask them to leave, I tell them to. (just like I said before)

Heck, YOU tell them not to come on your PROPERTY in the first place....

Yes, I do have requirements at by business, if they don't follow them, I tell them not to come onto my property.

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[Rhino]

sorry to tell you, but you are just plain old wrong

Don't be sorry. Or maybe you should be, because Bikenut is correct and you're the one that's wrong. Your rights don't give you the ability to infringe on someone else's private property in any manner you wish. They never have given that ability, and they were never intended to.

 

[apvbguy]

If they are on my property (home) they had to have put an extremely large amount of effort in the first place, enough effort that their intentions would have to be felonious in nature. Someone is unable to just walk onto my property.

At my business, I don't ask them to leave, I tell them to. (just like I said before)



Yes, I do have requirements at by business, if they don't follow them, I tell them not to come onto my property.

do you really own a business?
I suggest that you consult an attorney about your theories on how to handle trespassers and others you don't want on your property.
right now you are courting jail time, law suits and bankruptcy

 

[Aurelius]

Monkeys are pretty cool if you ask me.

Since I can't be human according to him, I might as well be a monkey!

 

[Firefighterchen]

do you really own a business?
I suggest that you consult an attorney about your theories on how to handle trespassers and others you don't want on your property.
right now you are courting jail time, law suits and bankruptcy

I have two small businesses, but only one business has property associated with it.

Are you saying its illegal for me to tell someone to get off my property?

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[apvbguy]

I have two small businesses, but only one business has property associated with it.

Are you saying its illegal for me to tell someone to get off my property?

it is illegal for you to shoot someone for being on your property like you claimed that you would.
as for this question it depends on the business, is it a business that like for example wal-mart that is open to all, no admission charges and no restrictions other than business hours? if so in most states you cannot have someone prosecuted without first requesting that they leave, then if they refuse to leave you can then attempt to have law enforcement arrest the trespasser.

 

[Axeanda45]

Don't be sorry. Or maybe you should be, because Bikenut is correct and you're the one that's wrong. Your rights don't give you the ability to infringe on someone else's private property in any manner you wish. They never have given that ability, and they were never intended to.

And NO-ONE on here has claimed that they DO have that ability, no matter how many times you and others have tried to twist words of others (mainly mine) to say so...

You, and others on here just keep insisting on having some kind of special "rights" that supersede everyone elses "Rights".... Yet none of you have ever proven they actually exist outside of your imaginations...

Perhaps I could put it yet ANOTHER way that you might finally understand it.... You, and others seem to be able to imagine that your "rights" have been infringed upon by something you dont even know is there and harms you in no way...

 

[Firefighterchen]

it is illegal for you to shoot someone for being on your property like you claimed that you would.
as for this question it depends on the business, is it a business that like for example wal-mart that is open to all, no admission charges and no restrictions other than business hours? if so in most states you cannot have someone prosecuted without first requesting that they leave, then if they refuse to leave you can then attempt to have law enforcement arrest the trespasser.

When have I said I would shoot someone in my business? Don't mix up how I would defend my home with my business. Two entirely different environment.

90% of my services are by appointment, the other 10% are public walk in. My business is open doors to anyone who follows my requirements.

If I don't want them in my business anymore, I do not request, I do not ask, I do not send them a polite note, I tell them to gtfo. If they resist at all to my verbal force, I will be pressing charges or having the police press charges for trespassing.

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