Point shooting

[apvbguy]

First question have you ever been in a "self defense encounter" ?

no I haven't, why would it matter?I train for many things that I've never actually experienced

If not you are merely stating your untested opinion.

untested? are you being obtuse for a specific reason? one iota of common sense would tell you that if you can do something instinctively rather than systematically, the instinctual will be faster. in a gun fight fast is good.

I've survived a fight or two if you haven't don't tell me how it's done

BFD.

Second I believe the poster you responded to was talking about a training gun that uses a laser to simulate round placement

and?
regardless of his usage my views regarding lasers on guns is the same

 

[Eidolon]

no I haven't, why would it matter?I train for many things that I've never actually experienced
untested? are you being obtuse for a specific reason? one iota of common sense would tell you that if you can do something instinctively rather than systematically, the instinctual will be faster. in a gun fight fast is good.

Let me try stating this different way.
For you to state unequivocally that lasers will get you killed in a real fight or that using your sights will get you killed in a real fight when you’ve never been in a real fight is pointless. How would you know what will get someone killed in a real fight? You might as well get pointers on your sex life from a virgin.

BFD.

It is a BFD because I can address the issue from experience. I don’t use lasers but I have used my sights in a real fight (rifle not pistol) the very thing that you insist will get me killed and yet I’m still here. So, if you state across the board that using my sights in a fight will get me killed I’m going to tell you you’re wrong and you have no grounds to dispute it .

and?
regardless of his usage my views regarding lasers on guns is the same

Again, it’s always good to know what you’re talking about before you do. The poster isn’t talking about a targeting laser (which the Army has experienced great success with BTW) he’s talking about a laser designator (similar to MILES gear) that records your hits without you actually having to shoot anybody. You’re comparing apples and lug nuts.

 

[mappow]

Curious, would you have used point shooting if you were in the aurora Colorado movie theatre? If you were in Libby's diner? If you were unlucky enough to be 25 feet directly in front of the Clackamas Town Center shooter?

Point shooting definitely holds its place, ie Zimmerman, but there are too many other possibilities in life.

Link Removed than the world champion Bob Vogel open carrying , no one is making fun of practicing, point shooting, or brandishing. In reality, not some fantasy, there are limitless possibilities.

As Eidolon said, I hope that's not set in stone, because that pebble misrepresents the boulders of danger out there.

As for generalities, life is too complicated to generalize it. I gave three specific scenarios that did occur in our world. So, maybe these real world scenarios are what you didn't want to be berated with, that's fine don't think about them, but for everyone else reading these forums, I hope you keep them in mind.

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Yep, just knew that there would be the What If'ers.........Really surprised it took this long.

 

[Kramer1113]

I've read some interesting articles concerning aimed point shooting. I've tried it at the range with some success. I primarily practice the way I envision a self defense scenario might be. 3' to 21' distance, one handed as well as two, recommended stance using sights and recently point shooting. Interested in hearing how many of you use the aimed point shooting technique.

I recommend getting an airsoft gun that closely matches your EDC weapon. I have an excellent airsoft 1911 that sits in my holster just like my SR1911 less the weight (And I have considered adding weight to it).
You can point and shoot through your house and really piss off your Wife/Husband.
BTW, Cats love to be included in the game.

 

[Bikenut]

I recommend getting an airsoft gun that closely matches your EDC weapon. I have an excellent airsoft 1911 that sits in my holster just like my SR1911 less the weight (And I have considered adding weight to it).
You can point and shoot through your house and really piss off your Wife/Husband.
BTW, Cats love to be included in the game.

Have someone go through the house and set up cardboard silhouette targets so you don't know where they are... then "clear" the house. Oh... then do it again but this time at night.. and shut of the lights.

 

[apvbguy]

Have someone go through the house and set up cardboard silhouette targets so you don't know where they are... then "clear" the house. Oh... then do it again but this time at night.. and shut of the lights.

why? I would never attempt clearing a house, that is what cops are for.

 

[Firefighterchen]

Yep, just knew that there would be the What If'ers.........Really surprised it took this long.

I know what ifs are impossible to overcome, but I carefully choose real world "what ifs" as examples.

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[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
Have someone go through the house and set up cardboard silhouette targets so you don't know where they are... then "clear" the house. Oh... then do it again but this time at night.. and shut of the lights.

why? I would never attempt clearing a house, that is what cops are for.

Why? Because it is good training for when it is necessary to respond to a home invasion. Training that the average person with a mortgage/a family/a 50+hour work week/an ObamaCare medical insurance bill... or how about a single mom working at K Mart to support 3 kids who has a stalker ex husband... can afford to help defend themselves/herself.

By the way.... When you come home after work or a night out.. do you "clear" your house to make sure no one broke in while you were gone? Do you look for broken windows? Do you look for the back door to have been breached? Do you call the cops and have them clear your home?

Or do you just waltz into your house/apartment dumb and happy expecting no one to be there?

Go ahead... say I'm paranoid.... And I guess that could be said right up to the time you discover someone did break in and was hiding in a different room.

How about when you hear a bump in the night? Do you lock yourself in your "safe" room and call the cops? Or do you go look to see if a pet knocked over a lamp/a water line popped/your kid is sneaking in a girlfriend/boyfriend or coming home drunk/or any other weird things that happen in homes that aren't bad guys but make noise at night?

By the way... clearing a home doesn't mean you should train to shoot before identifying who is coming in because it could be your kid sneaking in a lover.

And some homes have a master bedroom on one end of the home and the kid's bedrooms on the other end... would you just lock yourself in your safe room and wait for the cops if one of your kids were screaming while being attacked? Would you just rush in without "clearing" your way to your child's bedroom?

Again I'll ask you ...

When you come home do you just waltz in dumb and happy believing no one broke in while you were gone?

Edited to be nice....

 

[apvbguy]

Why? Because it is good training for when it is necessary to respond to a home invasion. Training that the average person with a mortgage/a family/a 50+hour work week/an ObamaCare medical insurance bill... or how about a single mom working at K Mart to support 3 kids ... can afford to help defend themselves/herself and her kids from a stalker ex husband.

everyone has the demons they need to learn to deal with, their problems are not my problem

By the way.... When you come home after work or a night out.. do you "clear" your house to make sure no one broke in while you were gone? Do you look for broken windows? Do you look for the back door to have been breached? Do you call the cops and have them clear your home?

Or do you just waltz into your house/apartment dumb and happy expecting no one to be there?

Go ahead... say I'm paranoid.... And I guess that can be said right up to the time you discover someone did break in and was hiding in a different room.

repeat after me, burglar alarm

How about when you hear a bump in the night? Do you lock yourself in your "safe" room and call the cops? Or do you go look to see if a pet knocked over a lamp/a water line popped/your kid is sneaking in a girlfriend/boyfriend or coming home drunk/or any other weird things that happen in homes that aren't bad guys but make noise at night?

maintaining a defensive posture in a small area and calling for and waiting for the calvary to arrive is what I would do

By the way... clearing a home doesn't mean you should train to shoot before identifying who is coming in because it could be your kid sneaking in a lover.

And some homes have a master bedroom on one end of the home and the kid's bedrooms on the other end... would you just lock yourself in your safe room and wait for the cops if one of your kids were screaming while being attacked? Would you just rush in without "clearing" your way to your child's bedroom?

Again I'll ask you ... you who touts training is so important....

kids are gone, next ASSumption?

When you come home do you just waltz in dumb and happy believing no one broke in while you were gone?

you're repeating yourself, ease off the meds

 

[Bikenut]

All those insults from you apvbguy... but you didn't answer my question....

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
When you come home do you just waltz in dumb and happy believing no one broke in while you were gone?

Burglar alarms don't always work ya know.

Edited to add...

Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
First question have you ever been in a "self defense encounter" ?

no I haven't, why would it matter?I train for many things that I've never actually experienced

So do you train for when your burglar alarm doesn't work?

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
By the way... clearing a home doesn't mean you should train to shoot before identifying who is coming in because it could be your kid sneaking in a lover.

And some homes have a master bedroom on one end of the home and the kid's bedrooms on the other end... would you just lock yourself in your safe room and wait for the cops if one of your kids were screaming while being attacked? Would you just rush in without "clearing" your way to your child's bedroom?

Again I'll ask you ... you who touts training is so important....

kids are gone, next ASSumption?

That is nice for you... but just because your kids are gone doesn't mean air soft training in the house isn't a valid training tool for those who still have kids and who might have to "clear" the house to get to their kids.

 

[Bikenut]

Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
How about when you hear a bump in the night? Do you lock yourself in your "safe" room and call the cops? Or do you go look to see if a pet knocked over a lamp/a water line popped/your kid is sneaking in a girlfriend/boyfriend or coming home drunk/or any other weird things that happen in homes that aren't bad guys but make noise at night?

maintaining a defensive posture in a small area and calling for and waiting for the calvary to arrive is what I would do

Yeah... well.... good luck with that after the 3rd time the cops arrived to discover you cowering in your small area with no intruder but only a lamp or some books fell over or some other silly thing that went bump in the night....

 

[Eidolon]

Theh thing I don't like about airsoft is that the little plastic BBs don't have the same ballistic characteristics of real ammuntion

 

[Kramer1113]

Theh thing I don't like about airsoft is that the little plastic BBs don't have the same ballistic characteristics of real ammuntion

That's where the "Air" and the "Soft" come in!

 

[the dark]

relying on sights or lasers in a SD encounter is a sure way to be the loser in that encounter

I agree but your comment seemed aimed at the use of lasers for training, such as laserlyte training lasers, hence my confusion. I find training with a laserlyte laser bullet between range trips to be quite useful.

 

[wolf_fire]

why? I would never attempt clearing a house, that is what cops are for.

Hmmm, leaving your protection and security in the hands of government officials.

*shrugs* To each their own I guess.

 

[apvbguy]

Hmmm, leaving your protection and security in the hands of government officials.

*shrugs* To each their own I guess.

if you think clearing a house is a good idea, good for you

 

[kelcarry]

I keep reading this back and forth replies with APV and others and totally agree with APV on his comments. It is only my wife and I in our house--no one else lives there--not even a dog. I stay in my locked and secure bedroom and will deal with anything from there. A BG wants to find out what is behind door #1, he will be disappointed and it will be his last disppointment. My appreciation of my firearms for home defense and actually defense anywhere is confined to less than 7 yards---I fail to see, at least in my life circumstance any kind of imminent danger that would prompt me to actually use my firearm at distances greater than that--heck--I am old--unless some BG is waving his firearm at greater distances, especially in the dark, I probably could not even see it. Point shoot or at least a version of it without relying on what I call "pistol furniture" gets the job done. Personally, I see all this pistol furniture as more dollars for more firearm mfgrs and the businesses that rely on them with lasers, lights etal. I do not live in a pitch black cave and do not wander in pitch black caves--if you do I can see flashlights. I can point shoot before I have to turn on and acquire a laser. I surely understand the reasoning and replies that support all the pistol furniture--it just is not for me--you can have it and enjoy it and if it makes you feel more secure--good for you. I think that is enough. Good replies APV.

 

[Eidolon]

How did we get from point shooting to clearing a house?

 

[Eidolon]

That's where the "Air" and the "Soft" come in!

I meant the aiming characteristics are different the BBs aren't as accurate as a real gun and I have to how that might change your gun handling