jcreek
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But....I don't understand. The laser always blinds me in Battlefield 3?
Do you believe that a laser is beneficial on a CCW?
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But....I don't understand. The laser always blinds me in Battlefield 3?
In a crowd for one, macho genius.
Lasers are tools just like your iron sights, night sights, and even scopes. In a self defense situation there are probably times they would be handy, such as if your dominant hand is disabled and you need to use your off hand.
jcreek
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Ya.. So can hitting your target, dee dee dee.
apvbguy
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I'll make the same offer to both of you.
anytime that you are able to you are welcome to come to NE FLA and join me shooting at my range.
I guarantee to you and prove it to you that at a range of 1-9 feet every shot I take will be inside of an 8 inch plate.
I'll even do it drawing and firing 1 shot at a time.
working on your skills would make both of you more confident about using those skills
whodat2710
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Dude, you aren't really coming off as a person many people would like to visit or hang out with. You do what makes you happy, but when people bring valid points about when your habits could be dangerous don't just argue to argue. It makes you look stupid.
apvbguy
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y'all blinded by your own limitations
Firefighterchen
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Ironic, calling us blind by our limitations, when it's you who limits his available tools, and is blind to any benefit a laser or light may give someone in certain instances. Point shooting doesn't work 100% of the time. Open your mind, the world is dynamic.
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apvbguy
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it is obvious that you do not comprehend what you are reading and then commenting on.
for some a laser is a fine tool to assist in TARGET shooting
to understand the basis for my opinions you need to grasp the concept that in an SD confrontation, micro seconds count and ANYTHING that would slow down someone from getting a first round off is detrimental to survival in a gun fight.
I do not use holsters with retention snaps, I do not use safeties, I always have one chambered, I don't use flashlights and I certainly do not depend on sights of any kind in order to take my first couple of shots.
you can continue to go to a range and place nice tight groups on the target at 25 feet and that is a fine skill to have but shooting like that does nothing to enhance your ability to come out alive after being a victim on the streets of the world.
YMMV
Bttbbob
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Just curious, if lasers and flashlights are so dangerous. Why oh why do all Spec Ops and SWAT teams use them. I am not a laser fan or a weapons mount flashlight fan. But definitely see the advantage at times. Lasers were never meant for target practice, that's the last place they are used.
Considering that in civilian self defense, 70% of attacks come in low light, how do you justify not using illumination of some kind?
I would propose that to be fully rounded in self defense training, low light instruction would be critical.
Considering that in civilian self defense, 70% of attacks come in low light, how do you justify not using illumination of some kind?
I would propose that to be fully rounded in self defense training, low light instruction would be critical.
apvbguy
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is their task self defense on the streets? on the streets anything that slows you down can be a death sentence.
if you want to teach people to wait until they have a their sights lined up perfectly or getting a red dot COM on an adversary in a street confrontation, or to "light him up"go right ahead, but IMHO humble opinion that is just bad for anyone to do
Bttbbob
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APV you are kidding right? I am a proponent of point shooting, trained with Rex Applegate in 1976. But don't give me that chit that anything other than point shooting is deadly.
Firefighterchen
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As I said before, does a laser mean me and my firearm can't point shoot? Can't use iron sights?
How about you stop assuming, everything. Stop assuming lasers are only used at the range. Stop assuming all sd situations are the same. Stop assuming I only go to the range and shoot at 25 yards. Stop assuming lasers slow someone else down.
To say point shooting is the end all self defense strategy is ridiculous. Point shooting in aurora, co (theatre) would of been a stupid decision. Point shooting in Clackamas, Or (mall) would of been a stupid decision.
The only one limiting himself is you. I can and do practice, "get off the x", point shooting, sighted shooting (irons, lasers, optics and yes on my handguns). Stop assuming you know it all and how everything will play out, there are better people in this world at shooting than you. Open your mind. The world is not a scene from 007, shooting from the hip is not the only way.
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apvbguy
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who said that?
what I say and what I have been saying is anything that slows you down, things like finding that red dot, lining up your sights, getting into a proper stance, flicking a safety, undoing a holster snap are all things that steal micro seconds from your ability to get your gun barking ASAP and in an SD situation losing ANY time is a recipe for becoming very dead.
Silvercliff_46
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What the hell are we talking about, the gun fight at the "OK" corral or a response to a noise in your home, grabbing your gun (Rifle, shotgun or pistol). Then proceeding to clear your home (If necessary) with a light and an aid so you can both see, and not hit your kids, once secure wait for the cops, OR proceeding in the dark looking for a quick draw duel. For God sakes we've got "Rooster Cogburn"Link Removed "Fill Your Hand You Son Of A B----"
apvbguy
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I would never leave the safety of my bedroom to clear my house, assume a planned out defensive posture and call and await the arrival of the police, there is nothing in the home worth getting into a battle over, however it they breach my bedroom door then it is on and at 15 feet or so the shotty doesn't need too much more than to be pointed in the right direction. as for the OK corral nonsense, maybe you are unaware of the typical SD situation, if not try learning before commenting.
maybe you are the rooster cogburn who thinks he can shoot up all the time, I am not that guy.
AndeyHall
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I agree with the not leaving the bedroom thing right now. But when kids are in the equation, they will be first priority. I would imagine that would be worth venturing out into the house.
vernsimpson
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I agree that when kids are in the house they are the most valuable things in the house. Nothing else is more important than making sure they are safe!!
Silvercliff_46
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100% in agreement, and that is why I included them in the scenario. Beyond that even though I am a former Deputy, I no longer am being paid to risk my butt. 911 gets called, lasers go on and the wife and I wait to see if the a-holes will walk into the bedroom. Maybe I should say, see if they make it past our 100+ pound hounds.
Silvercliff_46
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You are exactly that type of guy sonny. Maybe you ought to learn who your speaking too before shoveling your macho crap. I guess maybe you'd cower in your bed room and leave your kids on their own, at least that's what by YOUR words, you intimate. Why don't you (if at all possible) back out and keep quiet.
