Article Warns of Violent Response To Pending Gun Control Lefislation

[UATKP]

That truly does sound like it came out of Kalifornia. Good grief. That writer is supposing compliance beginning in paragraph two. He's never been free, before, living in Kalifornia. "Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month". At that time, we now have a nation full of felons. He knows nothing about people who truly love liberty. Molon Labe.

 

[Danmc]

America is too powerful an opponent for our government to successfully swoop in and take our guns. It would require a brain washing of our young people over an extended period of time. Of course, that has already begun. That is why it is important to teach our children and our grand children the importance of our Constitutional right of the 2A, to insure our other freedoms as Americans. If we fail to teach our young people, we are in trouble because those of us who are currently in favor of a free America will all soon be dead. And once we are dead, then it's too late. For example, my son likes guns, but my daughter does not(i.e. she does not own any guns). However, she does understand fully that whether or not she owns a gun herself, America's freedom is dependent upon the rest of us owning the right to keep and bear arms, and she fully supports the right of others to own guns. We need to continually feed our children's brains with the right food. I am also happy to announce that my daughter has recently expressed an interest in going out shooting, so the brain food is working.

 

[schadenfreude]

I took that oath to the Constitution many times during my military career and will continue to honor it.

Same here. Took mine the first time as a cop on the late 80s- I'd rather lose my job than abridge the US Constitution. I can always find another job; my honor can never be recovered once lost.
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Most Officers I know, and I know many, would tell their Command Officer to "stick it where the sun doesn't shine" upon being directed to violate the 2nd and 4th Amendments.

 

[eagleeyes]

i just want to thank all you brave souls for being oathkeepers.....but don't kid yourselves because if they took other nations guns away they can just as easily take ours step by step first permits mandatory registration gun free zones what kind of guns you can't have............ ..going door to door with foreign and privatized domestic armies even.......i hope it never comes to this but it appears they are pushing their agenda along slowly but eventually surely

 

[stingray2100]

Bluestinger.

I'm not saying that I will not pull the trigger if the need comes knocking at my door...I'm saying that I'm going to do everything and anything possible not to pull that trigger...but when the time comes (and I hope it never does come to this).

I and mine will be probably the first ones to be in line to defend the freedom of this country with my life if needed.

Do not get me wrong...I already dripped blood for this country and constitution...and I will do it again if I need to.

a lot of people thing that one person is not enough. But I think different...I will pull the trigger to defend myself and my family and this country of ours...but I sure Am Not going to be the First one to draw first blood.

You need to remember that a few decades ago. A few marines had to stand there ground against a huge army...and they held ground... If they can do it so can all of us...as a group, community and nation.

But again let them be first, so they can be first to be judged by our nation....think about it...they want one of us to shoot first, Just like Waco. Tx.

but I want everyone to watch this video about gun control...it is eye opening

Gun Control not crazed Madmen most responsible for Genocide in the 20th Century | The American Millennium

 

[stingray2100]

if nobody thinks that they can go house to house look at this video about the history of gun control

Gun Control not crazed Madmen most responsible for Genocide in the 20th Century | The American Millennium

 

[stingray2100]

looks nobody had an Idea that Obama was going to be elected...but he did get elected.
nobody wanted to think he was going to be re-elected but he did it.

nobody is thinking that the gun control is going to pass...Do you want to make that third mistake!?

 

[mistergus75]

Geez...well thought-out, and scary.

I think the primary reason all of us would actually use our guns on another person would be for self-defense. Surely we all understand we don't have equal firepower with the government.

I'd keep, hide and carry my guns for self-defense. If that need ever came to pass, it'd be worth it, no matter what else happened.

 

[Oldgrunt]

i just want to thank all you brave souls for being oathkeepers.....but don't kid yourselves because if they took other nations guns away they can just as easily take ours step by step first permits mandatory registration gun free zones what kind of guns you can't have............ ..going door to door with foreign and privatized domestic armies even.......i hope it never comes to this but it appears they are pushing their agenda along slowly but eventually surely

It would be preferrable that those coming for our guns be foreign troops or Obama's mercenaries. Don't think many would have qualms about shooting foreign troops or those so sorry to become a hired gun against his/her own people. Hopefully our own police and military would resist such orders.

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[ricardo900]

I believe the government already has a database set up for all gun-owners. Remember, every purchase (except person to person) is transacted through a FFL and the model, make and serial number are submitted to the government as part of the background check. So they have your name and address. They won't try a door to door confiscation, they would use gun buybacks, banning the manufacturing of certain ammo, sending threat letters and gun ranges not allowing them on their property. If you are caught using it, even in self-defense of your home, you will get arrested and the gun confiscated.

They will make us literally bury our guns in the backyard. And in time, they will be very rare and non-existent. It will be like, how many people still own a pre-ban machine gun? or how many people bought a Class III M-16 (15K - 20K) in the past year? They are slick, because it won't stop there. There would be another shooting, where they are going to blame handguns.

 

[S&W645]

I believe the government already has a database set up for all gun-owners. Remember, every purchase (except person to person) is transacted through a FFL and the model, make and serial number are submitted to the government as part of the background check. So they have your name and address. They won't try a door to door confiscation, they would use gun buybacks, banning the manufacturing of certain ammo, sending threat letters and gun ranges not allowing them on their property. If you are caught using it, even in self-defense of your home, you will get arrested and the gun confiscated.

They will make us literally bury our guns in the backyard. And in time, they will be very rare and non-existent. It will be like, how many people still own a pre-ban machine gun? or how many people bought a Class III M-16 (15K - 20K) in the past year? They are slick, because it won't stop there. There would be another shooting, where they are going to blame handguns.

I wish people would put their states in their info where it can be seen so we can tell what commie state they live in.

When a gun is bought in Florida, there is no address info given at the time of the background check directly to any gov't agency. There is a cross checkable link however if you give your SS#. That is the only way unless the BATFE comes to an FFL and copies info out of the 4473s or if the gov't got the old 4473s from a FFL that went out of business. 72 hours after the NCICs check, if you got an approved, the only thing left in the system is the number assigned to that check so what the gov't does with that would be the only tie left to you. Buy more than one rifle at a time and in only some states would they know what you got until they wrote down everything from the 4473s. Handguns are a slightly different story as an FFL is required to report to the local Chief LEO in the area any purchase of two or more handguns in a 5 business day period and directly to the BATFE too. FFLs do not report addresses at the time of purchase here.

 

[Ringo]

I will tell you if you want mine you can have them, over my dead body.

Unfortunately that's okay with them.

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This Godless nation of people has been murdering it's children, void of conscience, by the MILLIONS for reasons of convenience for 40 years. Does anyone really believe there will be the slightest bit of hesitation when it comes to doing the same to adults? There is nothing more dangerous than a Godless nation of people void of a conscience when the SHTF. Be afraid, very afraid.

 

[bellyfat]

i find it mathmaticaly next to impossible to enact a gun confiscation . how many 20th century guns are out there? with no serial numbers?
who has them?
we should just sell our guns to our grand children before anything gets passed....what gun? i sold them all at a gun show .gee i dont know the guy's name.
as far as the dead fingers thing goes, why would you need to die for something you no longer own?

 

[UATKP]

Stingray2100 QuoteYou need to remember that a few decades ago. A few marines had to stand there ground against a huge army...and they held ground... If they can do it so can all of us...as a group, community and nation.EndQuote

Hey, Stingray... refresh my memory, please... Are you talking about Iwo? If not, I know I probably knew when it happened, but I can't remember it. Thanks.

 

[tricolordad]

Unfortunately that's okay with them.

I would rather die in bed, gunned down by government sanctioned killers than live as a prisoner. Only an armed people are truly free.

 

[tricolordad]

Same here. Took mine the first time as a cop on the late 80s- I'd rather lose my job than abridge the US Constitution. I can always find another job; my honor can never be recovered once lost.
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Most Officers I know, and I know many, would tell their Command Officer to "stick it where the sun doesn't shine" upon being directed to violate the 2nd and 4th Amendments.

What if Obummer makes it a crime for officers to refuse the confiscation, either by striking or resigning? What then? Would you really allow yourself to be locked up with the people YOU arrested? Could you point a weapon at a friend or coworker?

Too many officers are loyal to the uniform and not the constitution. That becomes clear when our 1st and 4th amendment rights are violated daily.

I know for a fact that I will have trouble killing another American, LEO, soldier, civilian...it's unnatural.

 

[The_Outlaw]

Unfortunately that's okay with them.

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This Godless nation of people has been murdering it's children, void of conscience, by the MILLIONS for reasons of convenience for 40 years. Does anyone really believe there will be the slightest bit of hesitation when it comes to doing the same to adults? There is nothing more dangerous than a Godless nation of people void of a conscience when the SHTF. Be afraid, very afraid.

PSALM 23
1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
3 he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths
for his name’s sake.
4 Even though I walk
through the darkest valley,
I will fear no evil, for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.
6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord
forever.

 

[tricolordad]

How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?

by John A. Sutter
in California

For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality. But before you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes, let’s think about how the government could really do it.

Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the Americans. When laws are passed that we don’t like, we bite. We scratch. We vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock troops to seize the guns from those militia “terrorists” who refused to turn them in? Don’t be silly.

The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere. Most likely, it will take quite some time for them to compile all the serial numbers of “surrendered” guns (surrendered essentially at gunpoint) and cross off the ones you turned in. It’ll take more time for them to attempt to “clean up” their data. Say, about two years, maybe three. Add to that the hordes of people keypunching in hundreds of thousands of sales and registration records from hundreds of gun stores forced out of business. At some point the government decides they have something approaching a “good” database of unaccounted-for guns.

The next thing you’ll get from the government is an official looking notice that they think you still have a firearm. Their information will probably include all the information from registration forms, right down to the serial number. That notice will tell you that you’re in violation of the law, subject to prosecution and imprisonment. It will give you some period of time to surrender the gun. It will also give you a very limited number of days to return the form with an explanation of why you don’t have the gun, any proof you have, and your signature that the gun was lawfully disposed of. For many people the idea that the government “knows” they didn’t turn in that pistol or rifle and they have the detailed information about it will be enough to get them to surrender the gun. Some people will ignore the letter, others will scrawl a note that “I sold this in 1982 in a private sale”. After some time, the government will figure out how many guns are still out there and what the “compliance rate” is with the gun ban. More importantly, they’ll start sorting their database by the number of guns someone supposedly has “unaccounted”.

If you think they’ll come at these multiple-gun owners with a swat team, guess again. Their most likely tactic will be yet another letter (maybe two more) that generate what they’ll call “insufficient responses”. That means they can’t track a gun after you owned it. This they’ll use as fodder for a search warrant and/or perjury charges at a later date if they can. My guess is that the time between April and August will be a bad time for a lot of “former” gun owners. Remember that the BATF is an arm of the Treasury department and they control the IRS. You’ll probably get a notice in the mail that the IRS has some questions about your taxes or wants to audit you. When you make the appointment to visit the IRS they will pass that information to the BATF. While you are sweating over your deductions, the BATF and local police will execute a search warrant and search your home looking for guns. With you safely off site and distracted, essentially forced into “the royal presence” of the IRS they will snag your guns. Expect them to use slow-scan and ground penetrating radar to search walls, yards, under the patio or deck, the basement, etc. You might even find your hot tub has been drained and moved. Yes, they’ll search your car in the IRS parking lot too.

If you are one of the those people they suspect of having multiple guns and they don’t find any guns at your home, expect them to find and search storage facilities, safety deposit boxes and other places you might use. Warn your relatives who live nearby that they can expect a visit too, even (or perhaps especially) if they never owned a gun. If they are thorough, I’d expect the government agents to check your neighbors to see which of them previously owned a gun and perhaps search their homes, arguing that your neighbor could have held your guns while agents searched your home. Remember that at this point the government authorities don’t have much to fear from the general population. And by the time your complaints are run through the mill, rejected and turned into lawsuits, they’ll have changed the rules.

But you only have one gun you say? Fine. They won’t come looking for it. But they will make sure that possession of ammunition is also a serious crime. Don’t leave any loose cartridges around and where will you hide that case of ammo you rushed out to buy? Expect any “gun parts” to be made illegal at some point in time too. Spare magazines, maybe even old cleaning kits. Anything that says “gun” will be interpreted as “probable cause” to search your entire home. Also expect that you can never use that gun without becoming a serious felon in the eyes of the government. Even if some thug has repeatedly stabbed you with a large knife and threatened to rape your six year old daughter, they won’t forgive you for having the gun. They may even give you extra penalties for using it to save your family. Especially if you are one of the first few hundred people caught this way, they will use you to “set an example”. This will cause people to “bury” their guns away in hiding places, making them all but useless. If the government does come to confiscate it, you won’t be able to get to it fast enough and they will probably find it.

You’ve moved several times since you bought a gun? Remember showing your ID when you bought a gun? Remember writing down your place of birth? Why do you think the government has so many computers? Linking you to your new driver’s license in another state shouldn’t be too hard. Besides, the Treasury folks know where you work. Think you’re safe because you had unregistered guns? Think again. I would expect that the government’s database will contain a lot of old data. Some of it might indicate that a gun was sold to a resident at your address. If they can tie you to ammo sales or range use with your credit card in the previous 2 years you might get a surprise visit. Or that seller might have remembered you bought that gun from him and filled out his gun notice to get “off the hook” for that gun.

The point of this article is that by thinking in limited terms of a “raid” to confiscate guns we lose sight of the alternative methods the government can use. Put yourself in the government’s position and think of your own methods to avoid a conflict. Meanwhile, let’s ensure that every gun owner votes for gun rights this year and the next. You can think of a thousand excuses not to vote, not to help a campaign, not to help another gun owner register to vote. I can think of one important reason to do all of those.

Liberty!

That would be assuming that we obeyed ANY of their mandates. i will never obey any law to disarm. That is an act of war on the American people which will be answered with: "nuts!" Many colonists died. But we beat the British. Everybody said we couldn't do it. More than half the colonists were against us. We invented guerrilla warfare in 1776, we the people can reinvent it again and again and again. An executive order to disarm would awaken the sleeping giant.

I may be one of the first to attack and die, but I will definitely not be the last.

 

[Ringo]

PSALM 23
1 The Lord is my shepherd, I lack nothing.
2 He makes me lie down in green pastures,
he leads me beside quiet waters,
3 he refreshes my soul.
He guides me along the right paths
for his name’s sake.
4 Even though I walk
through the darkest valley,
I will fear no evil, for you are with me;
your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
You anoint my head with oil;
my cup overflows.
6 Surely your goodness and love will follow me
all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the house of the Lord
forever.

Understood my friend, but I don't plan on having to walk through any dark valley because I'm always watching and praying as Jesus has instructed me..Luke 21:36.."Watch ye therefore, and pray always , that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass , and to stand before the Son of man". And because I believe Jesus to be telling the truth..Matthew 24:34-Mark 13:30-Luke 21:32 (Signs of the End of the Age).."I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all of these things have happened", I don't have to be afraid (Rapture). There is only one truth, God's truth. Therefore knowing that man's wisdom is foolishness to God, and Israel is God's Prophetic Timepiece, only the families of those foolish enough to believe in the wisdom of man will be Left Behind and suffer the consequences of their foolishness.

 

[ricardo900]

I wish people would put their states in their info where it can be seen so we can tell what commie state they live in.

When a gun is bought in Florida, there is no address info given at the time of the background check directly to any gov't agency. There is a cross checkable link however if you give your SS#. That is the only way unless the BATFE comes to an FFL and copies info out of the 4473s or if the gov't got the old 4473s from a FFL that went out of business. 72 hours after the NCICs check, if you got an approved, the only thing left in the system is the number assigned to that check so what the gov't does with that would be the only tie left to you. Buy more than one rifle at a time and in only some states would they know what you got until they wrote down everything from the 4473s. Handguns are a slightly different story as an FFL is required to report to the local Chief LEO in the area any purchase of two or more handguns in a 5 business day period and directly to the BATFE too. FFLs do not report addresses at the time of purchase here.

I live in Pennsylvania (Delaware County).
For every purchase (Handgun & Rifle). I had to fill out a form (needed for the online background check) and they wanted your full name, address, drivers license number and social security number, plus your dated signature. After about 15 minutes, I was approved and walked out with my purchase.

You guys in Florida don't have to fill out forms?

Also, when I sold my buddy my Ruger LCR .357, we had to go to the gun shop and fill out the same forms for a "private sale". They charge $35 for the background check.

I am going to add my location.