Article Warns of Violent Response To Pending Gun Control Lefislation
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mappow
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Intel albeit recon of the OP is most likely bait to post and respond, maybe. Whilst posting does not negate the ability to exercise one's first amendment rights. It does give a nature of culture, posters on this site, about restricting and or confiscation of ones weapons. Is this the toe in the water test? Is this a simple query? Or is this testing the reaction of gun owners with pending legislation by those in power? I'm not a full fledged conspiracies type BUT understanding the reach of the Federal Gov't and this communist administration anything is possible. Beware my fellow patriots, beware!
mappow
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Name me what you want but I'm a believer in the US Constitution. Not some bastardized version some commie/socialist/libtard understands. I gave an oath in 1975 to protect and defend against enemies both foreign and domestic. I WILL uphold that oath at any cost.
stingray2100
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Guys all of you have awesome lines...awesome last words...
But think about this. The general public have families with kids, wives that do not like guns (well very few, but still). Homes that have alot of glass windows on all 4 corners hard to defend against multiple attackers.
what is going to happen when the flashbang hits the inside of your house and the gas starts chocking your kids and wife.
you cannot see...and the bullets start flying? in what direction are you going to fire?
Lets be honest...we need to stop this using the legal way and armed with our constitution...read the law and what you can do against this. if you fire a bullet they win. Because it is going to be more ammo to disarm the population.
And that is what they want...disarmed populations cannot start a succesful revolution....right!?
Fight for liberty...but fight smart...!
Do not get me wrong I too will probably go with in a blaze of glory...in my dreams. But I'm already fighting against this.
I'm a parent that teaches my kids about history.
I'm a husband that defends the rights of my family by writting to congress and the house.
I'm a tea party member.
I'm a 912 member.
I'm an NRA life member.
I'm an instructor that teaches new gun owners to be responsible.
I'm a voice in my community...and I'm loud.
I a friend that teaches friends about the myths on guns.
And I'm a smart man that know that if you need to defend your guns by pulling the trigger you have already lost the war.
But think about this. The general public have families with kids, wives that do not like guns (well very few, but still). Homes that have alot of glass windows on all 4 corners hard to defend against multiple attackers.
what is going to happen when the flashbang hits the inside of your house and the gas starts chocking your kids and wife.
you cannot see...and the bullets start flying? in what direction are you going to fire?
Lets be honest...we need to stop this using the legal way and armed with our constitution...read the law and what you can do against this. if you fire a bullet they win. Because it is going to be more ammo to disarm the population.
And that is what they want...disarmed populations cannot start a succesful revolution....right!?
Fight for liberty...but fight smart...!
Do not get me wrong I too will probably go with in a blaze of glory...in my dreams. But I'm already fighting against this.
I'm a parent that teaches my kids about history.
I'm a husband that defends the rights of my family by writting to congress and the house.
I'm a tea party member.
I'm a 912 member.
I'm an NRA life member.
I'm an instructor that teaches new gun owners to be responsible.
I'm a voice in my community...and I'm loud.
I a friend that teaches friends about the myths on guns.
And I'm a smart man that know that if you need to defend your guns by pulling the trigger you have already lost the war.
mappow
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Be loud, be prominent in your community and be a voice of logic. Anything else is submission to the Liberal agenda. STAND for your convictions or sit idly by whilst being slaughtered.
The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
As an Honorably Discharged Military Police Officer & former Federal Reserve Police Officer, I respect LEO's just as much as the next guy...However...If any LEO's decide to 'cross the line' and try to forcefully confiscate the weapons of Law Abiding, Tax Paying Citizens, like myself, then there will be Hell to pay.
I'm sick & tired of being told what to do by a bunch of LibTarded Un-American Fascists....
I don't care if the trespasser/s that forcefully enter my home are criminal thugs wearing baggy pants or gestapo thugs wearing patches & badges...
All trespassers inside of my home will be treated exactly the same, with the appropriate force that is necessary.
I'll trust Yahweh (God) to sort it all out afterwards, for He is my Righteous Judge.
To Hell with anyone who is against our Constitution and our 2nd-Amendment Rights as far as I'm concerned.
Don't tread on me and you won't get snake bit.
Tread on me and I'll bite you with everything I have.
I am now probably on the so called 'Terrorist Watch List' (being a white christian male, veteran who is pro gun rights and all).
I don't really give a damn.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
I get where you're coming from, but consider this:
If the Founders of this once-great nation gave their contemporaries the same advice in your closing line once the final line had been crossed, we'd all still be speaking in a British brogue.
If what you're saying is that a new Declaration of Independence is preferable to starting, or even being willing to engage in, a series of violent confrontations with our government, I can certainly agree with that. Let them fire the first shot for our peaceful, yet defiant act, and choose the location of New Lexington (to be so-named shortly thereafter).
But if no despotism be egregious enough to warrant pulling a trigger to defeat it, then whoever believes such is already a slave. The 2nd Amendment that we all revere was written for that precise eventuality, so that when the ballot box was no longer effective for beating back tyranny, the bullet box was guaranteed to be there as a last-resort option for us. And in that context, it would/will be a fully moral, ethical, and legal option, even though you're absolutely right that it would likewise be an enormously costly one. I trust that most readers here believe that the going price for freedom to survive in our country, may well be our own lives. So be it.
Absolutely fight smart, and part of being smart is to resist the emotion and anger that drives our leanings towards making them pay, and making it hurt....bad. But there has to be a point where logic dictates that if we allow it to go beyond that point, we have missed the chance to resist at all. Someone a helluva lot smarter than me is going to have to articulate the details of what/where that point is, but rather than talking violence now, we should be talking about where that line is. Is it passing a tyrannical law? (ObamaCare anyone?) A series of ever-more proliferating tyrannical laws? (NFA34, GCA68, NDAA, DHS, TSA, whatever Feinstein et al manages to pass in the near future anyone?) Or is it only if/when they actually try to enforce them? Or maybe only when thousands or millions of our countrymen are deprived of any rights, and completely under the thumb of tyranny?
I don't know. But I do know that if there isn't a caveat to your closing line in your otherwise insightful post, then it is just as true to say that we've already lost as it is to say that pulling a trigger is the manifestation of losing.
Something to think about....
Blues
dogshawred
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Taken the Oath
Every veteran took an oath to defend the constitution. I don't know about anyone else but I will honor my oath until my death by what ever means.
Every veteran took an oath to defend the constitution. I don't know about anyone else but I will honor my oath until my death by what ever means.
ptco911
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I took that oath to the Constitution many times during my military career and will continue to honor it.
BluesStringer
Les Brers
Man, what an awesome post!
The only reason I recommend toning it down a bit though, is because folks like you, who know what the struggle is all about, and are willing and able to umm....bite, will be needed more than any other brand of Patriot. Don't volunteer to be among the first to be rounded up, Brother. You're too important. Really, I mean that, it's not sarcasm or hyperbole, it's honestly how I feel. And it goes for a lot of folks around here, but you just articulated why better'n anyone I've seen for a long time.
Hold your fire until you can see the whites of their eyes!
Blues
Warrior1256
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We shall see. I am hoping that the article is right.
meowatthesun
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I invite anybody claiming "it won't happen here" to view this first and then search some of the other videos available.
Whenever somebody says "it can't happen..." or "you're just being paranoid..." about -anything- I get nervous. Nobody wants any of this less than I, but I will not confuse reality with my hopes and prayers.
buckey01
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I would hate to think that everything will basically be determined by how many of the military and LEOs will honor their oath to support and defend the Constitution...... How many American civilians will be harmed or imprisoned before members of the military refuse to follow the unlawful orders of their superiors?
I am reasonably certain that Obama and his cronies will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. The American military has always acted honorably; but would they refuse to follow orders? Americans are horrified by what is happening in Syria. But could our government go as far as the Syrian government? I would never want to live under a totalitarian government and would not give up my liberty under any circumstances. Unfortunately many my countrymen seem to be willing to sell their liberties very cheaply. Too many seem to be willing to sell themselves into slavery in exchange for "free stuff" from the government.
I am reasonably certain that Obama and his cronies will stop at nothing to achieve their goals. The American military has always acted honorably; but would they refuse to follow orders? Americans are horrified by what is happening in Syria. But could our government go as far as the Syrian government? I would never want to live under a totalitarian government and would not give up my liberty under any circumstances. Unfortunately many my countrymen seem to be willing to sell their liberties very cheaply. Too many seem to be willing to sell themselves into slavery in exchange for "free stuff" from the government.
mistergus75
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People who believe the police would not obey gun confiscation orders are wrong. Nazi Germany was enslaved before they knew what happened. In the beginning the Nazies didsn't use whole police forces, but isolated groups of "brownshirts, storm troopers" to do the dirty work. As they eleminated resistance, the rest of the police meekly fell into line. And it all happened because so few saw what was happening until it was too late.
The British were guilty of many abuses prior to the Revolution, but the war didn't really start till they moved on the weapons at Concord. Patriots realized everything was on the line, knew they had to protect those guns, and reacted by resisting with force.
And now Senator Feinstein wants to say, "Mr and Mrs. America, turn in your guns".
If it ever came to that, how could we not fight?
The British were guilty of many abuses prior to the Revolution, but the war didn't really start till they moved on the weapons at Concord. Patriots realized everything was on the line, knew they had to protect those guns, and reacted by resisting with force.
And now Senator Feinstein wants to say, "Mr and Mrs. America, turn in your guns".
If it ever came to that, how could we not fight?
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FNWylde
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Article Warns of Violent Response To Pending Gun Control Lefislation
OP Typo, I thought at first you typed Leftistlation, which would be as accurate as saying Gun Control Legislation...
I have emailed my state and federal legislators demanding they not infringe upon our 2A rights.
OP Typo, I thought at first you typed Leftistlation, which would be as accurate as saying Gun Control Legislation...
I have emailed my state and federal legislators demanding they not infringe upon our 2A rights.
mistergus75
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buckey01
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I would agree that the police and military would at least initially follow their orders. I, however, have more faith in our military than the Germans could place in theirs. Hitler did not even trust the German military to carry out his orders without question. He placed his faith in the Gestapo and the Waffen SS to keep his supporters and the military in line. The German military swore an oath of allegiance to Hitler and his Third Reich. Our protectors swear their oath to protect and defend the Constitution. Hopefully there are many who do still know the difference between right and wrong. Obama does not trust our military and has advocated for the formation of a civilian defense force ( brown shirts?) as well armed as the military. This actually gives me more more faith in the honor or our armed forces.
I really hope that those speculating in this thread about government intentions are completely wrong. I hope that I am completely wrong. Unfortunately, this last election and recent events don't inspire much confidence concerning the American people. I have never knowingly broken a law in my life and all I want is to be left alone. Of course progressives want complete control over everything and everyone..
I really hope that those speculating in this thread about government intentions are completely wrong. I hope that I am completely wrong. Unfortunately, this last election and recent events don't inspire much confidence concerning the American people. I have never knowingly broken a law in my life and all I want is to be left alone. Of course progressives want complete control over everything and everyone..
Mistergus75 and Buckey01, O'nutjob already has his 'brownshirts' getting ready for just what you speak of. They are his fema soldiers... punk kids off the street, given guns, uniforms, and some tactical training. Getting from the government what they never had before, such as "security, three squares, and a pat on the back" is all they need to drive O'nutjob's desire for total control. Why do you think they bought all that ammunition?....
dbrow6272
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How Will They Confiscate Your Guns?
by John A. Sutter
in California
For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality. But before you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes, let’s think about how the government could really do it.
Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the Americans. When laws are passed that we don’t like, we bite. We scratch. We vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock troops to seize the guns from those militia “terrorists” who refused to turn them in? Don’t be silly.
The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere. Most likely, it will take quite some time for them to compile all the serial numbers of “surrendered” guns (surrendered essentially at gunpoint) and cross off the ones you turned in. It’ll take more time for them to attempt to “clean up” their data. Say, about two years, maybe three. Add to that the hordes of people keypunching in hundreds of thousands of sales and registration records from hundreds of gun stores forced out of business. At some point the government decides they have something approaching a “good” database of unaccounted-for guns.
The next thing you’ll get from the government is an official looking notice that they think you still have a firearm. Their information will probably include all the information from registration forms, right down to the serial number. That notice will tell you that you’re in violation of the law, subject to prosecution and imprisonment. It will give you some period of time to surrender the gun. It will also give you a very limited number of days to return the form with an explanation of why you don’t have the gun, any proof you have, and your signature that the gun was lawfully disposed of. For many people the idea that the government “knows” they didn’t turn in that pistol or rifle and they have the detailed information about it will be enough to get them to surrender the gun. Some people will ignore the letter, others will scrawl a note that “I sold this in 1982 in a private sale”. After some time, the government will figure out how many guns are still out there and what the “compliance rate” is with the gun ban. More importantly, they’ll start sorting their database by the number of guns someone supposedly has “unaccounted”.
If you think they’ll come at these multiple-gun owners with a swat team, guess again. Their most likely tactic will be yet another letter (maybe two more) that generate what they’ll call “insufficient responses”. That means they can’t track a gun after you owned it. This they’ll use as fodder for a search warrant and/or perjury charges at a later date if they can. My guess is that the time between April and August will be a bad time for a lot of “former” gun owners. Remember that the BATF is an arm of the Treasury department and they control the IRS. You’ll probably get a notice in the mail that the IRS has some questions about your taxes or wants to audit you. When you make the appointment to visit the IRS they will pass that information to the BATF. While you are sweating over your deductions, the BATF and local police will execute a search warrant and search your home looking for guns. With you safely off site and distracted, essentially forced into “the royal presence” of the IRS they will snag your guns. Expect them to use slow-scan and ground penetrating radar to search walls, yards, under the patio or deck, the basement, etc. You might even find your hot tub has been drained and moved. Yes, they’ll search your car in the IRS parking lot too.
If you are one of the those people they suspect of having multiple guns and they don’t find any guns at your home, expect them to find and search storage facilities, safety deposit boxes and other places you might use. Warn your relatives who live nearby that they can expect a visit too, even (or perhaps especially) if they never owned a gun. If they are thorough, I’d expect the government agents to check your neighbors to see which of them previously owned a gun and perhaps search their homes, arguing that your neighbor could have held your guns while agents searched your home. Remember that at this point the government authorities don’t have much to fear from the general population. And by the time your complaints are run through the mill, rejected and turned into lawsuits, they’ll have changed the rules.
But you only have one gun you say? Fine. They won’t come looking for it. But they will make sure that possession of ammunition is also a serious crime. Don’t leave any loose cartridges around and where will you hide that case of ammo you rushed out to buy? Expect any “gun parts” to be made illegal at some point in time too. Spare magazines, maybe even old cleaning kits. Anything that says “gun” will be interpreted as “probable cause” to search your entire home. Also expect that you can never use that gun without becoming a serious felon in the eyes of the government. Even if some thug has repeatedly stabbed you with a large knife and threatened to rape your six year old daughter, they won’t forgive you for having the gun. They may even give you extra penalties for using it to save your family. Especially if you are one of the first few hundred people caught this way, they will use you to “set an example”. This will cause people to “bury” their guns away in hiding places, making them all but useless. If the government does come to confiscate it, you won’t be able to get to it fast enough and they will probably find it.
You’ve moved several times since you bought a gun? Remember showing your ID when you bought a gun? Remember writing down your place of birth? Why do you think the government has so many computers? Linking you to your new driver’s license in another state shouldn’t be too hard. Besides, the Treasury folks know where you work. Think you’re safe because you had unregistered guns? Think again. I would expect that the government’s database will contain a lot of old data. Some of it might indicate that a gun was sold to a resident at your address. If they can tie you to ammo sales or range use with your credit card in the previous 2 years you might get a surprise visit. Or that seller might have remembered you bought that gun from him and filled out his gun notice to get “off the hook” for that gun.
The point of this article is that by thinking in limited terms of a “raid” to confiscate guns we lose sight of the alternative methods the government can use. Put yourself in the government’s position and think of your own methods to avoid a conflict. Meanwhile, let’s ensure that every gun owner votes for gun rights this year and the next. You can think of a thousand excuses not to vote, not to help a campaign, not to help another gun owner register to vote. I can think of one important reason to do all of those.
Liberty!
by John A. Sutter
in California
For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality. But before you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes, let’s think about how the government could really do it.
Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the Americans. When laws are passed that we don’t like, we bite. We scratch. We vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock troops to seize the guns from those militia “terrorists” who refused to turn them in? Don’t be silly.
The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere. Most likely, it will take quite some time for them to compile all the serial numbers of “surrendered” guns (surrendered essentially at gunpoint) and cross off the ones you turned in. It’ll take more time for them to attempt to “clean up” their data. Say, about two years, maybe three. Add to that the hordes of people keypunching in hundreds of thousands of sales and registration records from hundreds of gun stores forced out of business. At some point the government decides they have something approaching a “good” database of unaccounted-for guns.
The next thing you’ll get from the government is an official looking notice that they think you still have a firearm. Their information will probably include all the information from registration forms, right down to the serial number. That notice will tell you that you’re in violation of the law, subject to prosecution and imprisonment. It will give you some period of time to surrender the gun. It will also give you a very limited number of days to return the form with an explanation of why you don’t have the gun, any proof you have, and your signature that the gun was lawfully disposed of. For many people the idea that the government “knows” they didn’t turn in that pistol or rifle and they have the detailed information about it will be enough to get them to surrender the gun. Some people will ignore the letter, others will scrawl a note that “I sold this in 1982 in a private sale”. After some time, the government will figure out how many guns are still out there and what the “compliance rate” is with the gun ban. More importantly, they’ll start sorting their database by the number of guns someone supposedly has “unaccounted”.
If you think they’ll come at these multiple-gun owners with a swat team, guess again. Their most likely tactic will be yet another letter (maybe two more) that generate what they’ll call “insufficient responses”. That means they can’t track a gun after you owned it. This they’ll use as fodder for a search warrant and/or perjury charges at a later date if they can. My guess is that the time between April and August will be a bad time for a lot of “former” gun owners. Remember that the BATF is an arm of the Treasury department and they control the IRS. You’ll probably get a notice in the mail that the IRS has some questions about your taxes or wants to audit you. When you make the appointment to visit the IRS they will pass that information to the BATF. While you are sweating over your deductions, the BATF and local police will execute a search warrant and search your home looking for guns. With you safely off site and distracted, essentially forced into “the royal presence” of the IRS they will snag your guns. Expect them to use slow-scan and ground penetrating radar to search walls, yards, under the patio or deck, the basement, etc. You might even find your hot tub has been drained and moved. Yes, they’ll search your car in the IRS parking lot too.
If you are one of the those people they suspect of having multiple guns and they don’t find any guns at your home, expect them to find and search storage facilities, safety deposit boxes and other places you might use. Warn your relatives who live nearby that they can expect a visit too, even (or perhaps especially) if they never owned a gun. If they are thorough, I’d expect the government agents to check your neighbors to see which of them previously owned a gun and perhaps search their homes, arguing that your neighbor could have held your guns while agents searched your home. Remember that at this point the government authorities don’t have much to fear from the general population. And by the time your complaints are run through the mill, rejected and turned into lawsuits, they’ll have changed the rules.
But you only have one gun you say? Fine. They won’t come looking for it. But they will make sure that possession of ammunition is also a serious crime. Don’t leave any loose cartridges around and where will you hide that case of ammo you rushed out to buy? Expect any “gun parts” to be made illegal at some point in time too. Spare magazines, maybe even old cleaning kits. Anything that says “gun” will be interpreted as “probable cause” to search your entire home. Also expect that you can never use that gun without becoming a serious felon in the eyes of the government. Even if some thug has repeatedly stabbed you with a large knife and threatened to rape your six year old daughter, they won’t forgive you for having the gun. They may even give you extra penalties for using it to save your family. Especially if you are one of the first few hundred people caught this way, they will use you to “set an example”. This will cause people to “bury” their guns away in hiding places, making them all but useless. If the government does come to confiscate it, you won’t be able to get to it fast enough and they will probably find it.
You’ve moved several times since you bought a gun? Remember showing your ID when you bought a gun? Remember writing down your place of birth? Why do you think the government has so many computers? Linking you to your new driver’s license in another state shouldn’t be too hard. Besides, the Treasury folks know where you work. Think you’re safe because you had unregistered guns? Think again. I would expect that the government’s database will contain a lot of old data. Some of it might indicate that a gun was sold to a resident at your address. If they can tie you to ammo sales or range use with your credit card in the previous 2 years you might get a surprise visit. Or that seller might have remembered you bought that gun from him and filled out his gun notice to get “off the hook” for that gun.
The point of this article is that by thinking in limited terms of a “raid” to confiscate guns we lose sight of the alternative methods the government can use. Put yourself in the government’s position and think of your own methods to avoid a conflict. Meanwhile, let’s ensure that every gun owner votes for gun rights this year and the next. You can think of a thousand excuses not to vote, not to help a campaign, not to help another gun owner register to vote. I can think of one important reason to do all of those.
Liberty!
