Organized religion is administered and controlled by mortal humans. Humans that are subject to the same temptations that affect all humans. Greed, power and control just to name a few of the biggies. All humans have a free will to seek or avoid these temptations. Much blood has been spilled throughout history in the name of religion and God. It will continue to be shed in the name of religion and God into the future. God is interested in your Soul not your body. It's the Soul that lives on into eternity not the frail human body.
God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality
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eagleeyes
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''Organized religion is administered and controlled by mortal humans. Humans that are subject to the same temptations that affect all humans. Greed, power and control just to name a few of the biggies. All humans have a free will to seek or avoid these temptations. Much blood has been spilled throughout history in the name of religion and God. It will continue to be shed in the name of religion and God into the future.'''
i agree with that
i agree with that
Ringo
A WATCHMAN
Correct you are fuhr..Matthew 10:28.."Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell".
Ringo
A WATCHMAN
DITTO! Excellent.
The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
I know in my heart that it was Jesus who saved me on that night because the terrifying incident happened to me when I was still an athiest. I understand that my experience probably sounds crazy, but I am not crazy and I was completely sober when it happened to me.
In the winter of 1994, I was living alone in an apartment in Eagle Rock, California. I was physically attacked by an invisible but physically very real entity while I was lying in my bed. Whatever this entity was I know one thing for sure, it was 'pure evil'. When all else failed and I was about to literally breathe my last breath, I finally (out of pure desperation) called out the name of Jesus, in that moment I was 'instantly' released from the physical attack of this entity. I then felt the most wonderful & loving presence enter my room and it eased all of my fears. I now believe that this loving presence was either Jesus Christ or an Angel sent down by Christ to help me in that darkest hour.
I have shared this story with many people since that night, but most people think that I am either crazy or I am making it up.
I have absolutely nothing to gain by making up such a story and I know that I am just as sane as the next guy.
I know what happened to me on that night was 'very real' and I know that whenever the Spirit moves me to share this story with others, then I 'must' share this story.
Just because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord & Saviour does not make me a saint in any way. I still have a bad temper, I still curse like a sailor, I still like to look at other women and I still like to gamble. But I will 'always' speak the truth.
Why do I carry a handgun?
Because Jesus has blessed me with enough common sense to know that we live in a world that is full of evil people. Some of those evil people would not hesitate to kill you for your wallet. The Lord helps those who help themselves.
Treo
Bullet Proof
Since this has been brought up I’m going to go ahead and comment.
The Bible makes it very clear that Homosexual behavior is a sin if you accept the authority of the Bible and that all Scripture is God Breathed then you have to accept that homosexual behavior is a sin period.
The mistake (IMO) that people make is in believing that God views homosexuality as different from other sins. The Bible states very clearly that if you keep the entire law and stumble at the smallest point you’re just as guilty as if you had broken the entire law. It doesn’t matter what sin you commit they’ll all separate you from God.
The Bible says that on Judgment day they’ll open the books and see what you did but then they’ll open the book of life and no matter what’s in or not in those other books if your name isn’t in the book of life you will be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity.
The Bible also states that the only way to get your name into the book of life is to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
The Bible makes it very clear that Homosexual behavior is a sin if you accept the authority of the Bible and that all Scripture is God Breathed then you have to accept that homosexual behavior is a sin period.
The mistake (IMO) that people make is in believing that God views homosexuality as different from other sins. The Bible states very clearly that if you keep the entire law and stumble at the smallest point you’re just as guilty as if you had broken the entire law. It doesn’t matter what sin you commit they’ll all separate you from God.
The Bible says that on Judgment day they’ll open the books and see what you did but then they’ll open the book of life and no matter what’s in or not in those other books if your name isn’t in the book of life you will be cast into the lake of fire for all eternity.
The Bible also states that the only way to get your name into the book of life is to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
Shoobee
Banned
That doesnt really matter, as long as when you draw your gun you shoot it.
If I did not tell you at least that much then your death might be on my conscience.
Since you seem to think flashing your gun alone is going to save you in a pickle.
Shoobee
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Religion is something that people are either brainwashed into, or else they seek it after a tragic loss of some kind, or when in imminent danger themselves, or sometimes out of curiosity or philosophical inquiry.
Like anything else, if you are involved in any organized religion, you need to constantly validate whatever the leadership is saying, before you adopt it as a mantra for yourself. This is the part that most pious pilgrims forget, that they are still individually responsible themselves for what they do.
Here are some common mistakes of several major unnamed orgainized religions --
1 - birth control is bad. In this day and age where populations are skyrocketing and the Earth is at or near or beyond its sustainable population limit, birth control is critical. Or else there are going to continue to be recessions and famines and pestilence across the globe. Ergo is recession and famine and pestilence better than birth control? The self evident answer is that birth control is needed.
2 - you are "saved" by doing nothing just by muttering a few words. No real god is stupid enough to make it that easy. If that were the case instead, his heaven would be packed with criminals and dead beats. And then that heaven would be a hell hole, and not a heaven at all. So if your preacher is feeding you bull crap like this, then you need to suspect his/her real motives, which is probably only to get your weekly donations in her/his collections.
3 - killing the infidels is the way to 70 virgins in valhalla. The Christian crusaders started this myth during the crusades. The mooselim gihadists have since adopted it as well. Killing is never a good thing. Sometimes it may be necessary for executing murderers or to oppose and defeat a foreign invading army (like the USA during Viet Nam). But otherwise, if your church leaders tell you that you are killing for god, you should rethink that. Find a new faith group. Even go Quaker maybe.
4 - give until it hurts. Any church that wants to tithe you gross or net is stealing your resources from you. A tithe should only be on your surplus. Surplus is your increment over all your basic needs which adds to your excess or savings. You can think of it as your hypothetical savings after you have paid all your necessary bills, like mortgage, rent, food, clothing, utilities, transportation, medical, taxes, and so forth. Not counting your vacation or luxury purchases like jewelry etc.
5 - god will take care of you. God takes care of no one, and you are on your own. So pray like everything depends on god but work like everything depends on you.
6 - miracles never cease. If you are depending on miracles to get you through life, then that is a poor strategy. Education, training, and hard work, are more reliable than miracles.
Anyway, those are a few things to keep in mind, so you don't go overboard with your own religion.
God probably does love all his children here on the Earth, some possibly more than others, but all of them are pretty much on their own while they are here in this Earth. It seems like life is a test, and not an easy test either, and perhaps god is watching or not, maybe the angels are watching for god. Either way, if there is a heaven above, you are not going to get in by being a dirt bag or a lazy fool.
Sort of what Morgan Freeman says on the Jay Leno Show, that you wont get into the Olympics by being a dummazz either.
There are some dangers to organized religion as well, indeed, and you need to watch out for them.
Like anything else, if you are involved in any organized religion, you need to constantly validate whatever the leadership is saying, before you adopt it as a mantra for yourself. This is the part that most pious pilgrims forget, that they are still individually responsible themselves for what they do.
Here are some common mistakes of several major unnamed orgainized religions --
1 - birth control is bad. In this day and age where populations are skyrocketing and the Earth is at or near or beyond its sustainable population limit, birth control is critical. Or else there are going to continue to be recessions and famines and pestilence across the globe. Ergo is recession and famine and pestilence better than birth control? The self evident answer is that birth control is needed.
2 - you are "saved" by doing nothing just by muttering a few words. No real god is stupid enough to make it that easy. If that were the case instead, his heaven would be packed with criminals and dead beats. And then that heaven would be a hell hole, and not a heaven at all. So if your preacher is feeding you bull crap like this, then you need to suspect his/her real motives, which is probably only to get your weekly donations in her/his collections.
3 - killing the infidels is the way to 70 virgins in valhalla. The Christian crusaders started this myth during the crusades. The mooselim gihadists have since adopted it as well. Killing is never a good thing. Sometimes it may be necessary for executing murderers or to oppose and defeat a foreign invading army (like the USA during Viet Nam). But otherwise, if your church leaders tell you that you are killing for god, you should rethink that. Find a new faith group. Even go Quaker maybe.
4 - give until it hurts. Any church that wants to tithe you gross or net is stealing your resources from you. A tithe should only be on your surplus. Surplus is your increment over all your basic needs which adds to your excess or savings. You can think of it as your hypothetical savings after you have paid all your necessary bills, like mortgage, rent, food, clothing, utilities, transportation, medical, taxes, and so forth. Not counting your vacation or luxury purchases like jewelry etc.
5 - god will take care of you. God takes care of no one, and you are on your own. So pray like everything depends on god but work like everything depends on you.
6 - miracles never cease. If you are depending on miracles to get you through life, then that is a poor strategy. Education, training, and hard work, are more reliable than miracles.
Anyway, those are a few things to keep in mind, so you don't go overboard with your own religion.
God probably does love all his children here on the Earth, some possibly more than others, but all of them are pretty much on their own while they are here in this Earth. It seems like life is a test, and not an easy test either, and perhaps god is watching or not, maybe the angels are watching for god. Either way, if there is a heaven above, you are not going to get in by being a dirt bag or a lazy fool.
Sort of what Morgan Freeman says on the Jay Leno Show, that you wont get into the Olympics by being a dummazz either.
There are some dangers to organized religion as well, indeed, and you need to watch out for them.
eagleeyes
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that is interesting story and my guess is if you would have thought allah was the name of god at the time..... same would have happened by calling out allah rather than jesus........funny thing is the j wasn't even letter back in those days so i doubt jesus was even a name back in those days as the letter j wasn't even introduced until the 12 century ..perhaps just screaming out got you out of your dream or trance or what ever state of mind you were in whilst believing some invisible evil entity was attacking you? there are many who can't help themselves like the millions of starving babies in africa and around the globe i hardly think a god that great and powerful would just not help them because they couldn't help themselves
The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
The name Yeshua literally means The LORD's Salvation, or Salvation from the LORD. In comparison, prior to being transliterated from the Hebrew Bible, the name Iesus did not exist in Greek. Through multiple translations and changes in pronunciation, a tradition of saying "Jesus" has obscured His name, "Yeshua." It has shifted His perceived message and identity from Hebrew to Greek. 'Jesus' is the English translation for the name 'Yeshua'.
How "Yeshua" Became "Jesus"
If Yahweh (God) exists, then Angels, Satan, Fallen Angels also exist.
If God does not exist, then maybe (as you say) I 'dreamed' what happened to me.
But Yahweh (God) 'does' indeed exist and Yeshua (Jesus) 'is' a Historical figure who actually walked upon the Earth, even the Romans 'wrote' about this Jesus of Nazareth who was 'crucified'.
I cannot try to change your mind, nor will I even try to. (I'm not in the preaching or soul saving business).
My story that I have shared with you on this subject is a true story. (Whether you believe me or not is not important).
It was not 'imagined', 'dreamed' or 'hallucinated'. (I was there, you weren't).
Treo
Bullet Proof
The name Yeshua literally means The LORD's Salvation, or Salvation from the LORD. In comparison, prior to being transliterated from the Hebrew Bible, the name Iesus did not exist in Greek. Through multiple translations and changes in pronunciation, a tradition of saying "Jesus" has obscured His name, "Yeshua." It has shifted His perceived message and identity from Hebrew to Greek. 'Jesus' is the English translation for the name 'Yeshua'.
How "Yeshua" Became "Jesus"
If Yahweh (God) exists, then Angels, Satan, Fallen Angels also exist.
If God does not exist, then maybe (as you say) I 'dreamed' what happened to me.
But Yahweh (God) 'does' indeed exist and Yeshua (Jesus) 'is' a Historical figure who actually walked upon the Earth, even the Romans 'wrote' about this Jesus of Nazareth who was 'crucified'.
I cannot try to change your mind, nor will I even try to. (I'm not in the preaching or soul saving business).
My story that I have shared with you on this subject is a true story. (Whether you believe me or not is not important).
It was not 'imagined', 'dreamed' or 'hallucinated'. (I was there, you weren't).
Don't cast your pearls before swine
The_Outlaw
~The Dude Abides~
Neither krishna nor buddha suffered and died for my sins.
Shoobee
Banned
The name Yeshua literally means The LORD's Salvation, or Salvation from the LORD. In comparison, prior to being transliterated from the Hebrew Bible, the name Iesus did not exist in Greek. Through multiple translations and changes in pronunciation, a tradition of saying "Jesus" has obscured His name, "Yeshua." It has shifted His perceived message and identity from Hebrew to Greek. 'Jesus' is the English translation for the name 'Yeshua'.
How "Yeshua" Became "Jesus"
If Yahweh (God) exists, then Angels, Satan, Fallen Angels also exist.
If God does not exist, then maybe (as you say) I 'dreamed' what happened to me.
But Yahweh (God) 'does' indeed exist and Yeshua (Jesus) 'is' a Historical figure who actually walked upon the Earth, even the Romans 'wrote' about this Jesus of Nazareth who was 'crucified'.
I cannot try to change your mind, nor will I even try to. (I'm not in the preaching or soul saving business).
My story that I have shared with you on this subject is a true story. (Whether you believe me or not is not important).
It was not 'imagined', 'dreamed' or 'hallucinated'. (I was there, you weren't).
Procurator Pontius Pilate would have been the first to write Jeshua Nazareth's name in Greek, on the sign he made, for the cross:
Jesus of Nazareth the King of the Jews.
I suspect he would have been the one to spell it as IESOUS for the first time.
St Paul wrote in Greek, so alternatively it could have been Paul who put the S on the end of it.
I have thought of that a lot as well, how did we get from Jeshua to Jesus?
It narrows down to either Pilate or Paul. The mystery is now hidden in ancient history.
eagleeyes
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we all suffer for your sins my friend heheh
Shoobee
Banned
Nor did they for anyone else's. Nor did they claim to either. Good point.
Shoobee
Banned
St Peter was the bodyguard among the ancient Apostles for Jesus.
By hanging out with big fishermen Jesus had chosen a good group to protect him from the mobs, from the Pharisees, and from the Romans.
Walking around without any protection in Roman times would have been as foolish as now, as well.
By hanging out with big fishermen Jesus had chosen a good group to protect him from the mobs, from the Pharisees, and from the Romans.
Walking around without any protection in Roman times would have been as foolish as now, as well.
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