God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality

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God & the Bible, squaring belief with reality to me means FAITH
Either you have Faith or you don't.
Seek and you will find.
Faith is not belonging to a particular sect or religion.
You either put your faith in man or God.
The founders put their faith in God.
Now we have all but eliminated God from what they founded because of a group of people that are threatened by those with faith in God.
50 years ago I was told that the day was coming when I would have to choose, like Peter, either deny Christ or be put to death.
I never thought I would live to see it in the USA but today we either deny Christ or we are ridiculed and vilified by the progressive left can a worse punishment be far behind?
yeah..good stuff.

I consider my faith solid, what I'm not seeing is it's collective manifestation in reality...like talk is cheap..anyone can say they love God, but it seems so few actually practice their faith as a lifestyle
not saying im some kind of saint or better than anyone else.
but- I can see that theres a massive divide, even though we have multiple common interests, by joining in these common interests instead of opposing everything and everybody.

Take homosexuality as an example, to me it's clear that it's not normal, I don't need the Bible to tell me that...lol..I can however respect an individuals right to choose their own particular brand of happiness (especially as an American), and I can also respect the individual as a human being (love my neighbor).

Isn't the common interest(individual rights) and the human being more important than a specific behavior?

it's a divide we could close by putting our beliefs into reality and thereby strengthening ourselves and those around us.

not sure if that makes any sense but- it's what I'm thinking.

And my thanks to all for the comments, It is encouraging.
 

being a homosexual is normal for homosexuals just like being hetro is normal for hetrosexuals
'not that there is anything wrong with it':kiss3: rotflmao
 
being a homosexual is normal for homosexuals just like being hetro is normal for hetrosexuals
'not that there is anything wrong with it':kiss3: rotflmao

I'll respectfully disagree. This is another belief that doesn't square with reality...boys and girls are naturally meant to be together.

I blame a lot of it on the food, like the hormones pumped into cows, fluoride in the water, etc.. and the un-natural state we live in where everything is commercialized and fake...it's so broken from what we really are..seems to me, a lot of these kids are just lost.
 
Psalm Of David. 144:1

1 Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.


There is a time for this.
 
I'll respectfully disagree. This is another belief that doesn't square with reality...boys and girls are naturally meant to be together.

I blame a lot of it on the food, like the hormones pumped into cows, fluoride in the water, etc.. and the un-natural state we live in where everything is commercialized and fake...it's so broken from what we really are..seems to me, a lot of these kids are just lost.

The Bible has a lot of rules, which date back to Moses in 1400 BC, to which Jesus added a several more in 30 AD, and then St Paul added more still in 60 AD.

If you want to follow the Bible, then there are a lot of things you must do, and a lot of things you must not do.

I'll make a short list of some that come to mind:

- be fruitful, multiply, replenish the Earth
- in the sweat of thy face shall thou eat bread
- six days shalt thou labor
- thou shalt rest on the seventh day
- no other gods before YHVH
- neither make nor bow down to graven images
- keep the name of YHVH holy
- honor your parents
- not murder
- no relations with another man's wife
- not steal
- not falsely accuse
- not covet anything that is your neighbor's
- love YHVH with all your heart
- love your neighbor as yourself
- render to Caesar that which is Caesar's
- render to Theos that which is Theos'
- judge not others
- forgive others
- do unto others as you would have them do unto you, because as you do unto others so shall it be done unto you
- not marry a woman and her daughter
- no relations with beasts
- no same sex relations.

If you live alone on an island, you can do whatever you want. But if you live in society, you have to follow rules. Most people choose their own rules, hoping those keep them within the law of the land. Others constantly break rules and laws then end up in jail or prison.

It is good to carefully choose your own rules.
 
Psalm Of David. 144:1

1 Praise be to the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle.


There is a time for this.

I had to look it up..and I have to agree, there is a time.
I can only say that I was born in 1971 and our country has been in conflict pretty much my whole life..whether war was declared, and more commonly, when it's not.

It's prudent to be prepared to defend ourselves, but isn't there some responsibility to not attack others?
Is constant, never-ending warfare really God's intention for us?

And how do we rationalize the debt we use to do it? endless borrowing is definitely not of the Lord.
I believe a well organized militia is all we need to properly defend our Nation., we can stand against any aggressor and maintain a moral standard of peace.

thanks for your comment
 
The Bible has a lot of rules, which date back to Moses in 1400 BC, to which Jesus added a several more in 30 AD, and then St Paul added more still in 60 AD.

If you want to follow the Bible, then there are a lot of things you must do, and a lot of things you must not do.

I'll make a short list of some that come to mind:

- be fruitful, multiply, replenish the Earth
- in the sweat of thy face shall thou eat bread
- six days shalt thou labor
- thou shalt rest on the seventh day
- no other gods before YHVH
- neither make nor bow down to graven images
- keep the name of YHVH holy
- honor your parents
- not murder
- no relations with another man's wife
- not steal
- not falsely accuse
- not covet anything that is your neighbor's
- love YHVH with all your heart
- love your neighbor as yourself
- render to Caesar that which is Caesar's
- render to Theos that which is Theos'
- judge not others
- forgive others
- do unto others as you would have them do unto you, because as you do unto others so shall it be done unto you
- not marry a woman and her daughter
- no relations with beasts
- no same sex relations.

If you live alone on an island, you can do whatever you want. But if you live in society, you have to follow rules. Most people choose their own rules, hoping those keep them within the law of the land. Others constantly break rules and laws then end up in jail or prison.

It is good to carefully choose your own rules.

Not sure I'm following you, I'm not saying choose your own rules, just that belief and reality should be more in line with each other, and in my opinion, this is causing the decay we are seeing & feeling everywhere around us. We believe a certain thing but our reality doesn't reflect it..thus, a "short circuit" if you will.
dividing rather than uniting
 
I do not believe nation building works; it just puts us in another conflict.
If we need military actions then we do it, and keep the politicians out of it till the war is over.
 
I do not believe nation building works; it just puts us in another conflict.
If we need military actions then we do it, and keep the politicians out of it till the war is over.

nice, this belief fits the reality..it doesnt work, it's served to makes things considerably worse. and the notion of spreading freedom at gun-point is laughable.

We share a common interest, I think by recognizing this we have already changed the world a little bit, thank you.


And please dont keep the politicians out of it..lol..oh no, they go first..let them lace their boots and lead the charge..haha...no i'm joking, in reality they're cowards :)
 
Reading the word is the start, next, Christ said: "you must take up your cross and follow me". We must personally know Christ. Confess our sins, ask Christ to come into your life as your master and savior, be baptized thus receiving the Holy Spirit. He will then instruct you as you read His word. Resist being indoctrinated however. God is not confused. We must not take a lot of mans ideas and then try to fit them into His word. We must honestly divide His word. The we will slowly become an effective follower of Christ. We don't want Jesus to look at us and say "depart from me I never knew you." on the day of judgement (When you die). I want Him to say " Well done good and faithful servant, now enter into the place my Father has prepared for you." Isn't that what you want? signed Bryan All American
 
Not sure I'm following you, I'm not saying choose your own rules, just that belief and reality should be more in line with each other, and in my opinion, this is causing the decay we are seeing & feeling everywhere around us. We believe a certain thing but our reality doesn't reflect it..thus, a "short circuit" if you will.
dividing rather than uniting

Well my response was prompted by your statement about gay lives. It occurred to me that what you said is just one of many many things that Christianity states.

Moses and St Paul were the two prophets who were the most anti-gay. All the others were fairly quiet about that ancient ages old issue.

You have to remember that homosexuality and bisexuality has been in history since the ancient Greeks and ancient Romans. It's nothing new. You seem to think it is new, when it is not. It has always been about 10% of the population. The big difference now is that like in ancient times, gays have again come out of the closet.

President Buchanan and his roommate were thought to be gay, however they being in the closet about it, nobody knows for sure.

Ancient Spartans were more gay than hetero, being bi, but rarely having hetero relations.

The Romans were in a close second place with the Spartans.

Ancient Athens was like America today, in that a large portion of their people were gay or bi.

So I would not obsess about homosexuality, other than to observe that Christianity has always been anti-gay, at least since the time of St Paul, who makes much mention of it, in his missions to Greece and Rome and other Aegean and Mediterranean cities.

But there are a lot more rules than just this one, that was the point of my response.
 
I do not believe nation building works; it just puts us in another conflict.
If we need military actions then we do it, and keep the politicians out of it till the war is over.

Hijacking the thread? Why not just start a whole new one then ???
 
So I would not obsess about homosexuality, other than to observe that Christianity has always been anti-gay, at least since the time of St Paul, who makes much mention of it, in his missions to Greece and Rome and other Aegean and Mediterranean cities.

It's obvious that your Biblical knowledge is quite limited. God made His anti-homosexual stance very loud and clear thousands of years "before" Christianity when He destroyed the cities of Sodom & Gomorrah.
 
according to this article fewer than 5% of people identify themselves as gay or lesbian. being gay isnt "normal" in that the vast majority of people are hetero. and strangely enough it happens in nature just as frequently... and animals didnt get the idea to be gay from watching mtv. but what happens to gay animals in nature? they die out and dont produce offspring. its natural...just not normal.

i swear, people act like they are reproducing and taking over the world. the difference is that its "socially acceptable" to be out of the closet.

The Bible says a lot of things. Menstruation makes women unclean to worship. And sitting on the same couch that a menstruating woman sat on would make you unclean to worship. And after the period she would have to offer a burnt and sin offering just to be clean again. Sodom and Gomorrah were also cities of debauchery and rape. They were destroyed because there was no law. No appreciation or sanctity of human life. Im sure they killed babies there too. Frankly i think its worse to rape someone than be a homosexual.

But hey, sin is sin right? and we are all sinners.
 
Have we crossed the line?

Have We Crossed The Line? - By Grant Phillips

The President of the United States has made it official. He is in full support of marriage between same sex couples. The Vice-President first presented his support which nudged the President to make his support known now, instead of later at the Democratic convention. Poor VP, his jaws have no hinges.

Several States now support same sex marriage, as do many governors and past governors. Most of the Democratic leadership and some even among the Republican leadership also openly support same sex marriage.

Nearly all Hollywood celebrities, producers, directors, etc. support same sex marriage. Many in the music field have made their support public. Even among religious organizations, same sex marriage is supported and promoted.

Now that the one voice who speaks for all Americans has made his support known publicly, have we crossed the line with God? I personally believe we crossed the proverbial line years ago, but if not, we certainly have now. In my opinion, we are way beyond the line, headed toward destruction. There is no turning back.

I know what you’re thinking. Does not God say?

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” (2 Chronicles 7:14)

Yes, that is what He promises, and He also says the following:

“So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels.” (Psalms 81:12)

“24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.” (Romans 1:24-27)

Folks, it is my opinion that God has given us up to our own vile affections and there is nothing left to look forward to now, as a country, but judgment.

Yes it is true that every true Christian will soon be called up to meet the Lord in the air along with all those true Christians who have already physically died, but where does that leave everyone else? We call our “calling up to be with Jesus” the Rapture, but what follows, is a time of hell on earth unlike any time in history, a time so terrible that if it isn’t shortened by Jesus Himself, and it will be, there would be no flesh left alive upon the earth. That time is just around the corner.

How a man can stand before the nation and publicly support something so vile and yet claim to be a Christian, is the epitome of narcissism and spiritual ignorance. If this isn’t “thumbing ones nose” at God, then tell me what is.

The Lord God tells us exactly where we have gone wrong as a nation. Listen to these words.

“20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 21Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!” (Isaiah 5:20-21)

This, my friends, is the attitude coming from the highest pinnacle of our government and from many of its rank and file citizenry. This pompous Christ rejecting attitude is not going unnoticed by God Almighty. We may think it is, but following will be the bitter pill we will be forced to swallow.

“Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.” (Isaiah 5:24)

Oh I can hear it now, “but He’s talking to Israel, not us.” If anyone thinks for one miniscule of a second that we can get by with our rebellion against God, when the apple of His eye (Israel) could not, then you are in for a very rude awakening. It is commonly known as the time of Tribulation upon earth. It will last for seven years, and it will be arriving soon.

All throughout history God has never put up with homosexual activity. Every time it shows up, a nation falls, and we are going to fall. You can count on it. It is happening as we speak.


Let us not forget this verse.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature [emphasis mine]:” (Romans 1:26)

Is it possible from the Word of God, for the judgment coming to at least be delayed? Yes, we see it over and over with Israel. They fell to sin. They were judged. They repented. They were restored. Then the cycle repeated itself.

Will judgment be at least delayed for this corrupt earth, and for our country? No, for two reasons, (1) we will not repent, and (2) because time has run out. God has already set in motion those things which must be for His soon, very soon, return. He will not delay His coming. When that last person is born again from above, Jesus Christ will come for His Church, and judgment will begin.

Those engaged in these depraved acts against God and even nature itself, do not want to repent and will not do so. They love their sins, and those very sins are piling up judgment upon one and all. Others who may not participate but yet openly support homosexuality are just as guilty. Yet there are many who neither participate nor openly support this degradation, but by their silence, their support is noted by God.

Let us not forget this verse.

“For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature [emphasis mine]:” (Romans 1:26)

Is it possible from the Word of God, for the judgment coming to at least be delayed? Yes, we see it over and over with Israel. They fell to sin. They were judged. They repented. They were restored. Then the cycle repeated itself.

Will judgment be at least delayed for this corrupt earth, and for our country? No, for two reasons, (1) we will not repent, and (2) because time has run out. God has already set in motion those things which must be for His soon, very soon, return. He will not delay His coming. When that last person is born again from above, Jesus Christ will come for His Church, and judgment will begin.

Those engaged in these depraved acts against God and even nature itself, do not want to repent and will not do so. They love their sins, and those very sins are piling up judgment upon one and all. Others who may not participate but yet openly support homosexuality are just as guilty. Yet there are many who neither participate nor openly support this degradation, but by their silence, their support is noted by God.

Have we crossed the line? It is my belief that we have crossed the line, and there is no turning back from God’s judgment, simply because we will not choose to repent.
 
I'll respectfully disagree. This is another belief that doesn't square with reality...boys and girls are naturally meant to be together.

I blame a lot of it on the food, like the hormones pumped into cows, fluoride in the water, etc.. and the un-natural state we live in where everything is commercialized and fake...it's so broken from what we really are..seems to me, a lot of these kids are just lost.
homosexuality been around since mankind and other animals walked this planet it has nothing to do with flouride in our water imo .
i think most gays are just born that way......like hetros are born hetro

ever read the book of enoch lolz
 
Ringo, you mentioned several states have made gay marriage legal. The truth is when it's voted on by we the people it's not supported. Correct me if I'm wrong but we the people have not supported gay marriage in any state. It's the states politicians and the courts that have over ruled the will of the people.
 
i have no problem with gays getting married and they should have the right to do so as well so they too can get the benefits hetro couples do as a married couple like insurance policys where spouse is accepted on it, taxes filing a joint return if it saves money, visitation in hospital as it stands now gays can't visit their partners in some instances or have authority to say 'pull the plug' if in such a situation.. and wills and estates rightful heirs ......
i believe all should be treated equally in spite of their sexuality race religion or creed or non religiousness
 
It's obvious that your Biblical knowledge is quite limited. God made His anti-homosexual stance very loud and clear thousands of years "before" Christianity when He destroyed the cities of Sodom & Gomorrah.

Ringo youre pretty messed up. It is obvious you are a brainwashed Protestant who thinks Allah reached down and with his own hand wrote the Old and New Testaments in modern English.

Peace my brother. Misguided brother, ergo.
 
i have no problem with gays getting married and they should have the right to do so as well so they too can get the benefits hetro couples do as a married couple like insurance policys where spouse is accepted on it, taxes filing a joint return if it saves money, visitation in hospital as it stands now gays can't visit their partners in some instances or have authority to say 'pull the plug' if in such a situation.. and wills and estates rightful heirs ......
i believe all should be treated equally in spite of their sexuality race religion or creed or non religiousness

I have to agree.

There is no justification for Congress, the Social Security Admin, and the IRS to subsidize married heterosexuals without also extending the same subsidies to married homosexuals as well.
 
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